Cutter wrote on Nov 3, 2012, 20:57:
So then he's beholden to whoever is giving him the 10 million. How is that a good thing? This is why I said I don't like him doing a KS because he's just using it to prove to a publisher that it's viable, and he really isn't beholden to the KS backers - which he should be. That's why I'm not backing this.

Aero wrote on Nov 4, 2012, 12:37:
Yeah, I kind of want it to be spelled out just exactly what Star Citizen is going to be. Obviously there is confusion about this so it needs to be sorted out. If Roberts doesn't really know yet, that's fine, but it would be nice to have harder distinctions.

To be honest, I'm reading it like this: For single-player and dedicated servers, it's going to be a mission-based space combat game like Wing Commander. The online, MMO portion will be a sandbox space sim like Privateer. The thing is, the phrase "space sim" used to be applied to all of these things because "simulator" really just used to mean a game with 3D graphics (as opposed to a 2D scroller). Typically in common usage, "space sim" these days refers to a sandbox, Privateer-style game. That's hardly universal though, and "space simulation" generically is certainly an adequate description of a mission-based game.

I hope I'm wrong though. I really don't want an MMO, let alone a micro-transaction-based MMO. If, as some people are saying, the whole MMO infrastructure will be released as a dedicated server so we can run our own private universes alone or with particular friends and no micro-transactions, that would be awesome, but that seems like a questionable business move. It could work, but it seems awkward.

Cutter wrote on Nov 4, 2012, 10:19:
That's not right. That's not what KS is intended for. It's there for you to bring a single project to completion - one that you would otherwise be unable to fund yourself. It's not their to raise some money and say 'Thanks, now I'll go talk to the really important people.' As I've stated before, it may not technically be against the rules but it most definitely goes against the spirit of them. That's just one more in a long list of why he's not to be trusted, much less given crowdsourced money IMO.

Jerykk wrote on Nov 3, 2012, 22:55:

Cram wrote on Nov 3, 2012, 21:55:

Cutter wrote on Nov 3, 2012, 20:57:
So then he's beholden to whoever is giving him the 10 million. How is that a good thing? This is why I said I don't like him doing a KS because he's just using it to prove to a publisher that it's viable, and he really isn't beholden to the KS backers - which he should be. That's why I'm not backing this.

I am/was unaware a major investor may be involved in this way and if this is true I am cancelling my pledge. Gonna read up a bit, if this is the situation I am out.

It's true. However, I'm not really sure what you were expecting. Did you really think Roberts could make the game he's proposing with only $2 million? Hell, even $12 million seems low. I'd be shocked if the finished game has both the multiplayer and single-player components intact.

I don't really see the issue with additional funding sources. If a private investor is willing to finance a PC-exclusive hardcore space sim, what's the problem? That's already more than any big publisher is willing to do. If the game is a success, that might even change.

Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 4, 2012, 09:12:

ItBurn wrote on Nov 4, 2012, 09:01:
It isn't an MMO. You can host your own private server with no microtransactions or whatever. You can even mod it any way you like. This is going to be like Freelancer, so if you played that, you'd know this isn't an MMO.

Everyone here hopes you are right, most of us will only believe it when we see it.

ItBurn wrote on Nov 4, 2012, 09:01:
It isn't an MMO. You can host your own private server with no microtransactions or whatever. You can even mod it any way you like. This is going to be like Freelancer, so if you played that, you'd know this isn't an MMO.

Flatline wrote on Nov 3, 2012, 23:21:

Cutter wrote on Nov 3, 2012, 20:57:
So then he's beholden to whoever is giving him the 10 million. How is that a good thing? This is why I said I don't like him doing a KS because he's just using it to prove to a publisher that it's viable, and he really isn't beholden to the KS backers - which he should be. That's why I'm not backing this.

When it turned out to be an MMO with "micro"transactions my heart fell and I decided not to back the game. Especially since it looks like good ships are running around 50 bucks real money to acquire (judging from the reward tiers), you can be sure the grind to get to those ships probably takes FOREVER.

I'll let other people take the plunge.

I put 16GB in my machine without even thinking twice.

Slashman wrote on Nov 3, 2012, 20:20:

RaZ0r! wrote on Nov 3, 2012, 18:59:
I don't buy console versions because I don't own any consoles. While there is a little cross-over nowadays with PC, generally the games I want to play are not on console. They are on PC. So I don't invest in console.

If games die on PC (and I mean any personal computers and or operating systems) I won't be moving to console. I'll probably just go outside and stuff then.

what the...? Go outside? What the hell is WRONG with you????!!!!??

PHJF wrote on Nov 3, 2012, 23:31:
What if the major investor were Leonard Nimoy?

Cutter wrote on Nov 3, 2012, 20:57:
So then he's beholden to whoever is giving him the 10 million. How is that a good thing? This is why I said I don't like him doing a KS because he's just using it to prove to a publisher that it's viable, and he really isn't beholden to the KS backers - which he should be. That's why I'm not backing this.

Cram wrote on Nov 3, 2012, 21:55:

Cutter wrote on Nov 3, 2012, 20:57:
So then he's beholden to whoever is giving him the 10 million. How is that a good thing? This is why I said I don't like him doing a KS because he's just using it to prove to a publisher that it's viable, and he really isn't beholden to the KS backers - which he should be. That's why I'm not backing this.

I am/was unaware a major investor may be involved in this way and if this is true I am cancelling my pledge. Gonna read up a bit, if this is the situation I am out.