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31. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Oct 29, 2012, 11:06 Nucas
 
Axis wrote on Oct 28, 2012, 22:36:
Give me his "height of power" (no specific dates notice??) timeline and I'll tell you the answer. BUT.. he has no timeline, only the implied information HE choose not to share. Because he's full of shit pretending he knows WTF is up and I already called him on it.

Can't turn that around Teabag, try as you may.

i've tried to understand how "conservatives" like that guy think, and how to penetrate their armor, but it's really like having a favorite sports team to them. they will never, ever allow themselves to see the truth because (i'm assuming) they've internalized it/made it part of their personal identity and become angry when you present facts that contradicts what they think because they perceive it as a personal attack. it's depressing. they get so angry and argue so obstinately to dismantle their own livelihood on behalf of the super-rich. i can't even argue with them anymore.
 
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30. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Oct 29, 2012, 05:32 InBlack
 
Phillip K. Dick is laughing his ass off in his grave. Who the fuck ever thought that the crazy drug using freak was going to get it right. Right?

I mean we all though Arthur Clark or Asimov hell even Heinlein were going to be much closer to the mark, humanity in space, free food & energy for all etc. etc....

Yet it looks like corporations (and their 'elected' cronies) are going to be our slave masters for the forseeable future...
 
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29. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Oct 29, 2012, 01:40 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Kitkoan wrote on Oct 28, 2012, 23:43:
From what I understand, the problem isn't if the country is becoming socialist and if that's a bad thing but more that the county Is now less and less of a capitalist national and more of a crony capitalist nation.

And crony capitalism is nothing like capitalism and will kill a nation and everything the USA ever stood for.
Also a byproduct of our crazy election system.
 
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28. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Oct 28, 2012, 23:43 Kitkoan
 
From what I understand, the problem isn't if the country is becoming socialist and if that's a bad thing but more that the county Is now less and less of a capitalist national and more of a crony capitalist nation.

And crony capitalism is nothing like capitalism and will kill a nation and everything the USA ever stood for.
 
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27. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Oct 28, 2012, 23:33 Wowbagger_TIP
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Oct 28, 2012, 23:09:
With socialism you also get Germany, which last time I checked is still the Nr. 1 economy of Europe with one of the highest standards of living, healthcare, education and technology you can find on the planet. Which is a direct result of Germany's socialist capitalist free market model.

Greece on the other hand, is not a failed state because of socialism but because of total and utter corruption and mismanagement, corruption that goes down to the lowest citizen. And secondly, because of a living standard that they took for granted thanks to the EU, that they could never actually support by their own economic power. The same is true for Spain, Italy, Ireland and Portugal while others did not mismanage and did not live over their level and are now in a great growth situation, or at least no recession.

Also America was the greatest power in the world.. in cold war. Now that label fits only for China. The only reason China is currently not completely dominating everything is a internal self-centered government where the political class rather wants to keep to power at all costs than do anything externally.

Your super awesome army obviously doesn't help pay the bills. In fact the army is the greatest and most wasteful state employee there is, so one wonders how you call that free market - the government is paying soldiers, and the government pays for military tech, not the free market. The military industrial complex that is the sole reason for your strong military is the exact thing you are arguing against.

Just try eliminating some unnecessary or wasteful program and you'll see that state and district's congresscritters, whatever party they're from, work themselves into a frenzy decrying those who would dare to hurt jobs or small business or whatever else they can come up with. Look how quick Romney was to exploit the smaller number of ships we have to try to scare people in the shipbuilding states. Government doesn't create jobs, except when it does! Screw the whole bunch of hypocrites.
 
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26. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Oct 28, 2012, 23:09 eRe4s3r
 
With socialism you also get Germany, which last time I checked is still the Nr. 1 economy of Europe with one of the highest standards of living, healthcare, education and technology you can find on the planet. Which is a direct result of Germany's socialist capitalist free market model.

Greece on the other hand, is not a failed state because of socialism but because of total and utter corruption and mismanagement, corruption that goes down to the lowest citizen. And secondly, because of a living standard that they took for granted thanks to the EU, that they could never actually support by their own economic power. The same is true for Spain, Italy, Ireland and Portugal while others did not mismanage and did not live over their level and are now in a great growth situation, or at least no recession.

Also America was the greatest power in the world.. in cold war. Now that label fits only for China. The only reason China is currently not completely dominating everything is a internal self-centered government where the political class rather wants to keep to power at all costs than do anything externally.

Your super awesome army obviously doesn't help pay the bills. In fact the army is the greatest and most wasteful state employee there is, so one wonders how you call that free market - the government is paying soldiers, and the government pays for military tech, not the free market. The military industrial complex that is the sole reason for your strong military is the exact thing you are arguing against.
 
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25. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Oct 28, 2012, 23:03 Beamer
 
Axis wrote on Oct 28, 2012, 22:45:
I'm going to bed, here this pretty much sums it up:

This
Those arguments largely miss the point, especially since they focus on the 50s and not the 70s.

Since we reduced the tax brackets in the early 80s very few people have started making very much money.
It is not sustainable. Only a moron would feel it was. It's totally eroded the middle class. It's sent jobs overseas.

But hey, they built that!
 
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24. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Oct 28, 2012, 22:45 Axis
 
I'm going to bed, here this pretty much sums it up:

This
 
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23. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Oct 28, 2012, 22:36 Axis
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 28, 2012, 22:32:
Axis wrote on Oct 28, 2012, 22:15:
Cutter wrote on Oct 28, 2012, 22:02:
Axis wrote on Oct 28, 2012, 21:06:
America became the greatest superpower in the world due to a capitalist free market economy and a constitutional republic. We accept all cultures from all nations and have the strongest military in the world.

With Socialism, you get Greece.

Now you can drone on all those lib talking points that CNNMSNBCABC media throw at you, but you won't admit what I stated is true since liberalism is shrouded in keeping people down, ill-informed, and in denial.

See, this is the problem with right-wing cognitive disconnect and a lack of historical education. America was at the height of its power when its taxation and control on the rich and the corporations were highest - 50% - and most of the working public were involved in trade-unions. It produced quality goods and sold them to the world. Trickle-up economics works, trickle-down doesn't.

The elites didn't much care for this so set about changing it. They repeat the big lie - socialism is bad - your ilk believe it after hearing it so long. So it's not long before there's massive deregulation, free trade - which ships all your jobs overseas, and shifting the tax burden to the middle and lower class. And now you have America today which makes nothing, is in debt up to its eyeballs, and is a shadow of its former self.

This is what happened in Greece and in Spain. That is, and always has been, the fault of the right and the sheeple that swallow their bullshit. Like any good right-wing sheep you certainly won't let the facts stand in the way of your irrational and hypocritical beliefs. You're the very definition of that asshole protesting the democrats telling the 'socialists' to 'keep their damn hands off his medicare'. Lol! Jesus, you guys that complain the loudest wouldn't survive two weeks without the government.

How many were on welfare and foodstamps during your unspecified "height of power"? Go ahead, find the answer then try again.
Is that some kind of argument? "Go find some information that I have deemed important as a rebuttal, even though I'm implying that I already have this information but choose not to share it."

Give me his "height of power" (no specific dates notice??) timeline and I'll tell you the answer. BUT.. he has no timeline, only the implied information HE choose not to share. Because he's full of shit pretending he knows WTF is up and I already called him on it.

Can't turn that around Teabag, try as you may.
 
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22. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Oct 28, 2012, 22:32 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Axis wrote on Oct 28, 2012, 22:15:
Cutter wrote on Oct 28, 2012, 22:02:
Axis wrote on Oct 28, 2012, 21:06:
America became the greatest superpower in the world due to a capitalist free market economy and a constitutional republic. We accept all cultures from all nations and have the strongest military in the world.

With Socialism, you get Greece.

Now you can drone on all those lib talking points that CNNMSNBCABC media throw at you, but you won't admit what I stated is true since liberalism is shrouded in keeping people down, ill-informed, and in denial.

See, this is the problem with right-wing cognitive disconnect and a lack of historical education. America was at the height of its power when its taxation and control on the rich and the corporations were highest - 50% - and most of the working public were involved in trade-unions. It produced quality goods and sold them to the world. Trickle-up economics works, trickle-down doesn't.

The elites didn't much care for this so set about changing it. They repeat the big lie - socialism is bad - your ilk believe it after hearing it so long. So it's not long before there's massive deregulation, free trade - which ships all your jobs overseas, and shifting the tax burden to the middle and lower class. And now you have America today which makes nothing, is in debt up to its eyeballs, and is a shadow of its former self.

This is what happened in Greece and in Spain. That is, and always has been, the fault of the right and the sheeple that swallow their bullshit. Like any good right-wing sheep you certainly won't let the facts stand in the way of your irrational and hypocritical beliefs. You're the very definition of that asshole protesting the democrats telling the 'socialists' to 'keep their damn hands off his medicare'. Lol! Jesus, you guys that complain the loudest wouldn't survive two weeks without the government.

How many were on welfare and foodstamps during your unspecified "height of power"? Go ahead, find the answer then try again.
Is that some kind of argument? "Go find some information that I have deemed important as a rebuttal, even though I'm implying that I already have this information but choose not to share it."
 
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21. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Oct 28, 2012, 22:31 Beamer
 
And, again, during the glory years of the US, when the middle class first became a thing and rose to some prominence, when Senator Joe McCarthy was accusing people of being Communist, the top tax bracket was 91%.

Anyone that thinks we're even close to socialism today is an idiot. We were closer in the past. And, incidentally, those were our best years.
 
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20. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Oct 28, 2012, 22:31 Axis
 
Are you saying that Liberalism and Conservatism aren't widely different views?

Oh and Obama doesn't care if he benefits from fucking you.
 
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19. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Oct 28, 2012, 22:29 nin
 
Actually he's not wrong. It's just that we only have the option of one turd or another because we have a completely retarded election system. Well, not completely, because it serves those that designed it quite well, but retarded from the perspective of the vast majority of us that it certainly does not serve.

That. Right there.

 
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18. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Oct 28, 2012, 22:24 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Axis wrote on Oct 28, 2012, 22:17:
Agent.X7 wrote on Oct 28, 2012, 22:12:
You're all arguing which turd is tastier for you. Democrats and Republicans are 2 sides of the same coin. They both stand for personal wealth and power for themselves, and screw everyone else. They just serve you the turd with different dressing, and you lap it up because you don't know any better than to argue over politics like it's a god damn sport and you're defending your favorite team.

Obama = wants to fuck you for his own benefit.
Romney = wants to fuck you for his own benefit.

How do people not see this?

Because you are wrong.

Actually he's not wrong. It's just that we only have the option of one turd or another because we have a completely retarded election system. Well, not completely, because it serves those that designed it quite well, but retarded from the perspective of the vast majority of us that it certainly does not serve.
 
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17. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Oct 28, 2012, 22:17 Axis
 
Agent.X7 wrote on Oct 28, 2012, 22:12:
You're all arguing which turd is tastier for you. Democrats and Republicans are 2 sides of the same coin. They both stand for personal wealth and power for themselves, and screw everyone else. They just serve you the turd with different dressing, and you lap it up because you don't know any better than to argue over politics like it's a god damn sport and you're defending your favorite team.

Obama = wants to fuck you for his own benefit.
Romney = wants to fuck you for his own benefit.

How do people not see this?

Because you are wrong.
 
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Axis
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16. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Oct 28, 2012, 22:15 Axis
 
Cutter wrote on Oct 28, 2012, 22:02:
Axis wrote on Oct 28, 2012, 21:06:
America became the greatest superpower in the world due to a capitalist free market economy and a constitutional republic. We accept all cultures from all nations and have the strongest military in the world.

With Socialism, you get Greece.

Now you can drone on all those lib talking points that CNNMSNBCABC media throw at you, but you won't admit what I stated is true since liberalism is shrouded in keeping people down, ill-informed, and in denial.

See, this is the problem with right-wing cognitive disconnect and a lack of historical education. America was at the height of its power when its taxation and control on the rich and the corporations were highest - 50% - and most of the working public were involved in trade-unions. It produced quality goods and sold them to the world. Trickle-up economics works, trickle-down doesn't.

The elites didn't much care for this so set about changing it. They repeat the big lie - socialism is bad - your ilk believe it after hearing it so long. So it's not long before there's massive deregulation, free trade - which ships all your jobs overseas, and shifting the tax burden to the middle and lower class. And now you have America today which makes nothing, is in debt up to its eyeballs, and is a shadow of its former self.

This is what happened in Greece and in Spain. That is, and always has been, the fault of the right and the sheeple that swallow their bullshit. Like any good right-wing sheep you certainly won't let the facts stand in the way of your irrational and hypocritical beliefs. You're the very definition of that asshole protesting the democrats telling the 'socialists' to 'keep their damn hands off his medicare'. Lol! Jesus, you guys that complain the loudest wouldn't survive two weeks without the government.

How many were on welfare and foodstamps during your unspecified "height of power"? Go ahead, find the answer then try again.
 
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15. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Oct 28, 2012, 22:12 Agent.X7
 
You're all arguing which turd is tastier for you. Democrats and Republicans are 2 sides of the same coin. They both stand for personal wealth and power for themselves, and screw everyone else. They just serve you the turd with different dressing, and you lap it up because you don't know any better than to argue over politics like it's a god damn sport and you're defending your favorite team.

Obama = wants to fuck you for his own benefit.
Romney = wants to fuck you for his own benefit.

How do people not see this?
 
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14. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Oct 28, 2012, 22:12 Axis
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 28, 2012, 21:46:
Axis wrote on Oct 28, 2012, 21:06:
America became the greatest superpower in the world due to a capitalist free market economy and a constitutional republic. We accept all cultures from all nations and have the strongest military in the world.

With Socialism, you get Greece.

Now you can drone on all those lib talking points that CNNMSNBCABC media throw at you, but you won't admit what I stated is true since liberalism is shrouded in keeping people down, ill-informed, and in denial.

This seems appropriate:
http://newharmonywatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/nhw-bush-in-hiding-2.jpg

Define socialism, because the Republicans sure can't seem to. They're like dancing monkeys trying to explain why they support some "socialist" policies and not others. Maybe it's time to admit that nobody in either party is really a socialist in the pejorative sense that they use the word.

I also fail to see how anything you've said makes an argument for electing Republicans anyway. Republicans were running things for 10 years before we had the financial crisis. If there's any failed economic policies to be indicted here, they are Republican policies. They can spend ten years wrecking the economy, and then scream about how Obama hasn't fixed everything in four? The Dems have fucked up on a lot of things too, but pinning the blame for the economy on them is largely bullshit.

Socialism is easily defined, plenty of links do it better than I would in a forum. Then after you read it, think about which party mirrors it quite often these days specifically. I'll note tho, I obviously was responding to Cutters laughable comparison.

I'm libertarian, I believe govt should stay away from most things. Conservative republicans are the only ones who come close.

And while I could explain how our financial crisis was caused in large by inept democrats with irresponsible policies, I wont because you already choose what you are going with regardless of what I'll say.

I'll also state this. There is only one belief I hold dear when it comes to politics:

I would NEVER vote for someone who advocates cutting out an unborn child and murdering it in any stage of development. The only middle-of-the-isle approach that I would go for is morning after pills and only she were raped.

And libs love abortion "rights"... so they can go fuck themselves everytime everyday. Aside from the fact that their base is either enabled or pretending apologetics for their success.

 
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13. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Oct 28, 2012, 22:02 Cutter
 
Axis wrote on Oct 28, 2012, 21:06:
America became the greatest superpower in the world due to a capitalist free market economy and a constitutional republic. We accept all cultures from all nations and have the strongest military in the world.

With Socialism, you get Greece.

Now you can drone on all those lib talking points that CNNMSNBCABC media throw at you, but you won't admit what I stated is true since liberalism is shrouded in keeping people down, ill-informed, and in denial.

See, this is the problem with right-wing cognitive disconnect and a lack of historical education. America was at the height of its power when its taxation and control on the rich and the corporations were highest - 50% - and most of the working public were involved in trade-unions. It produced quality goods and sold them to the world. Trickle-up economics works, trickle-down doesn't.

The elites didn't much care for this so set about changing it. They repeat the big lie - socialism is bad - your ilk believe it after hearing it so long. So it's not long before there's massive deregulation, free trade - which ships all your jobs overseas, and shifting the tax burden to the middle and lower class. And now you have America today which makes nothing, is in debt up to its eyeballs, and is a shadow of its former self.

This is what happened in Greece and in Spain. That is, and always has been, the fault of the right and the sheeple that swallow their bullshit. Like any good right-wing sheep you certainly won't let the facts stand in the way of your irrational and hypocritical beliefs. You're the very definition of that asshole protesting the democrats telling the 'socialists' to 'keep their damn hands off his medicare'. Lol! Jesus, you guys that complain the loudest wouldn't survive two weeks without the government.
 
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12. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Oct 28, 2012, 21:46 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Axis wrote on Oct 28, 2012, 21:06:
America became the greatest superpower in the world due to a capitalist free market economy and a constitutional republic. We accept all cultures from all nations and have the strongest military in the world.

With Socialism, you get Greece.

Now you can drone on all those lib talking points that CNNMSNBCABC media throw at you, but you won't admit what I stated is true since liberalism is shrouded in keeping people down, ill-informed, and in denial.

This seems appropriate:
http://newharmonywatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/nhw-bush-in-hiding-2.jpg

Define socialism, because the Republicans sure can't seem to. They're like dancing monkeys trying to explain why they support some "socialist" policies and not others. Maybe it's time to admit that nobody in either party is really a socialist in the pejorative sense that they use the word.

I also fail to see how anything you've said makes an argument for electing Republicans anyway. Republicans were running things for 10 years before we had the financial crisis. If there's any failed economic policies to be indicted here, they are Republican policies. They can spend ten years wrecking the economy, and then scream about how Obama hasn't fixed everything in four? The Dems have fucked up on a lot of things too, but pinning the blame for the economy on them is largely bullshit.
 
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