Creston wrote on Oct 26, 2012, 13:53:

ASeven wrote on Oct 26, 2012, 12:12:
This post pretty much brilliantly resumes the events of the past days, revealing more stuff that has happened some of us might not be aware of yet.

They're doing an excellent job summarizing everything. This part is especially interesting:

in fact, bringing a libel case in the UK is prohibitively expensive and open to almost nobody as a result. And even if Intent had had a massive brainfail and tried it with this one, they'd have been laughed out of court in five minutes flat. Eurogamer's near-instant cave-in to the complaint is extremely baffling, as Wainwright didn't have a leg to stand on.

So Eurogamer caved for no reason, and it was already dubious for them to cave to begin with, as this isn't some big publisher threatening them. I could kind of understand them backing down if it was EA or Ubisoft going "hey, take that shit down or we're done with you." After all, they exist off their relations with big publishers. But that's not the case, it's just another media organization.

Way to stick up for your columnist there, Eurogamer.

ASeven wrote on Oct 26, 2012, 12:12:
This post pretty much brilliantly resumes the events of the past days, revealing more stuff that has happened some of us might not be aware of yet.

in fact, bringing a libel case in the UK is prohibitively expensive and open to almost nobody as a result. And even if Intent had had a massive brainfail and tried it with this one, they'd have been laughed out of court in five minutes flat. Eurogamer's near-instant cave-in to the complaint is extremely baffling, as Wainwright didn't have a leg to stand on.

ASeven wrote on Oct 26, 2012, 12:12:
This post pretty much brilliantly resumes the events of the past days, revealing more stuff that has happened some of us might not be aware of yet.

Golwar wrote on Oct 26, 2012, 09:07:
That is all the further reaction that I will invest in your hysteria.

Verno wrote on Oct 26, 2012, 12:28:
Apparently being criticized for your public actions to advertise on behalf of a company without disclosing it is considered "libel". Lauren Wainright is an idiot. There, she can sue me, see you in court.

Yakubs wrote on Oct 26, 2012, 11:23:
Game reviewers will never have a positive image. It's simply impossible until intelligent, educated people become game reviewers, which will never happen until games are widely considered to be artistic equivalents to things like books, music, and movies. Right now, only people with low standards become game reviewers because they're the only ones willing to play the latest AAA shlock 8 hours a day for $30k a year.

PHJF wrote on Oct 26, 2012, 09:42:

I think the real myth is that games "journalism" ever existed in the first place.

Like I mentioned, Computer Gaming World was a great read. They fell victim to their own overhyping sometimes (read: Black & White, Doom 3) but the majority of the time the reviews and editorials were insightful, well written, and fun to read. Jeff Green in particular had a fantastic column entitled Greenspeak wherein he communicated his exploits as an aging gamer.

But being as this was a monthly rag, there was simply no way they could survive. People need to know everything and they need to know it NNOOOWWWW, and a month in "news" time may as well be ten years.

I think the real myth is that games "journalism" ever existed in the first place.

Golwar wrote on Oct 26, 2012, 09:07:
"Also, don't blame Eurogamer for this. The threat of legal action brings unbelievable pressure. I am clear on who the bad guys are in this."

Golwar wrote on Oct 26, 2012, 08:41:
Lol yeah, bullshit.

Eurogamer decided to support Robert Florence in his critical view on their own business, that deserves recognition. When they decide that they don't want to fight odd UK laws as well, that is completly unrelated and their free decision.

Robert Florence himself supports them for editing it, so end of story.

But hey, I guess you and avianflu risk your business connections as well as you dare attacking national laws in public pretty much each day of your life. So no surprise when you are disappointed that others aren't as heroic as you.

TheLeech wrote on Oct 25, 2012, 21:19:
You've never heard of most journalists, so you shouldn't paint with such a broad stroke. As a former "real" journalist and a current "fake" journalist, I can tell you that your average reporter at a newspaper is just trying to cover their beat to the best of their ability. Where you will find influence peddling is higher up the chain, with "name" journalists or columnists, and even then, you're looking mostly at the national media.

If it helps, think of games journalists as B2B journalists. It's a much more symbiotic relationship than actual newspaper journalism.