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49. Re: Sunday Tech Bits Oct 24, 2012, 15:55 JediPunisher
 
Verno wrote on Oct 23, 2012, 09:28:
I actually filtered their ad servers on my router, amazing how much of the interface is taken up by ads. Then I got annoyed and sold my Xbox since Microsoft no longer cares about making exclusive, interesting games.

Nice tip for 360 owners... Windows 8 users should also take note...
Once Microsoft has hoodwinked enough users into upgrading, those ads are coming to your PC!

 
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48. Re: Sunday Tech Bits Oct 23, 2012, 10:28 Ant
 
Verno wrote on Oct 23, 2012, 10:02:
I just blocked their hosts manually - rad.msn.com and etc. There was several I had to filter out, I basically just got the list by booting my 360 and watched a traffic log while it pulled ads for the interface. Then I played around a bit to make sure I wasn't filtering legitimate stuff. Took about 15 mins. I'm sure someone else has put together a comprehensive list at this point, I sold my 360 so I deleted the entries on the router otherwise I'd post them all
Ah, that would be great to have. I wonder if HPhosts have those blocked already. I don't own a video game console.
 
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47. Re: Sunday Tech Bits Oct 23, 2012, 10:02 Verno
 
I just blocked their hosts manually - rad.msn.com and etc. There was several I had to filter out, I basically just got the list by booting my 360 and watched a traffic log while it pulled ads for the interface. Then I played around a bit to make sure I wasn't filtering legitimate stuff. Took about 15 mins. I'm sure someone else has put together a comprehensive list at this point, I sold my 360 so I deleted the entries on the router otherwise I'd post them all  
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46. Re: Sunday Tech Bits Oct 23, 2012, 09:47 Ant
 
Verno wrote on Oct 23, 2012, 09:28:
Ant wrote on Oct 22, 2012, 15:34:
LOL. We need an AdBLOCK for it. [grin]

I actually filtered their ad servers on my router, amazing how much of the interface is taken up by ads. Then I got annoyed and sold my Xbox since Microsoft no longer cares about making exclusive, interesting games.
How did you block their ad servers? Hostnames/IP addresses?
 
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45. Re: Sunday Tech Bits Oct 23, 2012, 09:28 Verno
 
Ant wrote on Oct 22, 2012, 15:34:
LOL. We need an AdBLOCK for it. [grin]

I actually filtered their ad servers on my router, amazing how much of the interface is taken up by ads. Then I got annoyed and sold my Xbox since Microsoft no longer cares about making exclusive, interesting games.
 
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44. Re: Sunday Tech Bits Oct 22, 2012, 16:02 Beamer
 
avianflu wrote on Oct 22, 2012, 15:31:
Beamer I dont know what's worse! Your're right and MS is monolithically clueless about Win 8's deficiencies. Or I am right and "MS corporate" is playing dumb that their new o/s will fizzle.


See, now that's a good question, haha.
I'm telling you, though, they wouldn't risk the company on something they did not believe in.
But it's certainly possible they believe in something terrible. Like I've said, I haven't used Windows 8 and, though I don't think it can be nearly as bad as everyone here says (few things ever are, Doom 3 being among them), I am in no rush to put it on my desktop.

I will almost definitely buy a Surface Pro, though. If the battery life is decent.
 
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43. Re: Sunday Tech Bits Oct 22, 2012, 15:34 Ant
 
Verno wrote on Oct 22, 2012, 14:08:
JediPunisher wrote on Oct 22, 2012, 12:36:
I also hate the Metro UI on my Adbox 360.
As with the 360, it won't be long before Microsoft pushes video ads on us through Windows 8... That could be a HUGE revenue stream for MS, and might be the real reason they are forcing Metro on us.

Oh man Adbox 360 is really amusing, I am totally using that in the future, thanks
LOL. We need an AdBLOCK for it. [grin]
 
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42. Re: Sunday Tech Bits Oct 22, 2012, 15:31 avianflu
 
Beamer I dont know what's worse! Your're right and MS is monolithically clueless about Win 8's deficiencies. Or I am right and "MS corporate" is playing dumb that their new o/s will fizzle.

 
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41. Re: Sunday Tech Bits Oct 22, 2012, 14:08 Verno
 
JediPunisher wrote on Oct 22, 2012, 12:36:
I also hate the Metro UI on my Adbox 360.
As with the 360, it won't be long before Microsoft pushes video ads on us through Windows 8... That could be a HUGE revenue stream for MS, and might be the real reason they are forcing Metro on us.

Oh man Adbox 360 is really amusing, I am totally using that in the future, thanks
 
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40. Re: Sunday Tech Bits Oct 22, 2012, 12:36 JediPunisher
 
I also hate the Metro UI on my Adbox 360.
As with the 360, it won't be long before Microsoft pushes video ads on us through Windows 8... That could be a HUGE revenue stream for MS, and might be the real reason they are forcing Metro on us.
 
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39. Re: Sunday Tech Bits Oct 22, 2012, 12:25 Dev
 
MS is arrogant enough to think whatever they push on consumers will be eaten up. They don't think this will flop.

And they are big enough, a single windows flop wouldn't kill them (regardless of hardware). They've had windows before basically flop (pretty much every other windows version in fact).

AND even if almost no one uses it, this won't fail. It will have sales similar to other releases (I've already gone over the reasons why in this thread and others). MS has such a nice system setup, they can make similar sales numbers selling licenses even if no one actually uses their latest version.
 
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38. Re: Sunday Tech Bits Oct 22, 2012, 11:11 Beamer
 
avianflu wrote on Oct 22, 2012, 11:01:
Beamer I hear you, but MS has made binding business deals with global hardware manufacturers for both tablets and laptops for XMAS season at least 2 years ago regarding windows 8. It is too late to not release it; well unless MS doesnt mind going to court with HP, Dell, Samsung, etc, about "lost profits."

If they knew it was a flop they've known for a while, and if you're Microsoft it's never too late to not release something.

People here keep assuming Microsoft is incredibly stupid. If Microsoft knew that Windows 8 was a flop they would not release their first hardware under that label. They would not risk tainting not only Windows but their own Microsoft name for an area they hope to be big players in.

They wouldn't make the term "Microsoft Tablet" a complete joke.

They've made bad decisions, but if they've already decided Windows 8 is a flop then continuing with the Surface wouldn't just be bad, it'd be suicidal.

So no, they do not think Windows 8 is a flop. They think it's the next big thing. They also think that, outside of enterprise, traditional laptop and desktop form factors aren't going to be around for long.
 
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37. Re: Sunday Tech Bits Oct 22, 2012, 11:01 avianflu
 
Beamer I hear you, but MS has made binding business deals with global hardware manufacturers for both tablets and laptops for XMAS season at least 2 years ago regarding windows 8. It is too late to not release it; well unless MS doesnt mind going to court with HP, Dell, Samsung, etc, about "lost profits."


 
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36. Re: Sunday Tech Bits Oct 22, 2012, 10:11 Beamer
 
avianflu wrote on Oct 22, 2012, 10:07:
MS already knows that win8/Metro/RT will flop in both the consumer and enterprise marketplace, but it cannot say that for obvious reasons involving stock values.

At this point all MS can do is "smile and nod" until 2014 rolls around.

Why would they release something they know will flop and give it this massive a marketing campaign? Why would they build their own hardware? Why would they have all their OEM partners dive right in? Why would they totally change their business model?

You put a release you know will flop out to die. You do not build hardware for it for the first time in company history.

This isn't the Kin. This is the future of their company. If this flops, the company flops.

 
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35. Re: Sunday Tech Bits Oct 22, 2012, 10:07 avianflu
 

MS already knows that win8/Metro/RT will flop in both the consumer and enterprise marketplace, but it cannot say that for obvious reasons involving stock values.

At this point all MS can do is "smile and nod" until 2014 rolls around.
 
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34. Re: Sunday Tech Bits Oct 22, 2012, 09:27 nin
 

Oh look...

I expect that Windows 7 will be around just as long as XP, because we have a tendency to hang on to versions that just work, says Cherry. Windows 7 is supported until 2020.

 
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33. Re: Sunday Tech Bits Oct 22, 2012, 08:58 Verno
 
Bhruic wrote on Oct 22, 2012, 00:23:
Nucas wrote on Oct 21, 2012, 21:17:
the windows desktop was 20 years old, do any of you use any other piece of technology that fucking antiquated?

You stop using a technology when there's something superior. There's a reason that MacOS, KDE, Gnome, etc all use a similar style of desktop as Windows, and that's because it's an efficient one for humans to use. That doesn't mean something better can't come along - but "Metro" is definitely not it.

Exactly. I haven't heard a single reason why people should adopt this. It is pretty telling that the most anyone can say about it is that its good for average computer users without going into any detail about what that means. How are these people not being served already? What does this give them that existing versions of Windows & Apple products don't already? Why should people bother adapting to something that is arguably less functional? They get email, instant messaging, news and facebook already through phones.

This isn't a big innovation or something. There is no compelling upgrade here. It is Microsoft playing catch up to Apple and doing so in a way that forces users to adopt something that has little payoff for the effort.

As an enthusiast I'm not exactly happy with it either. Microsoft built its base on customization and choice. If I install Windows 8, what do I get for it except less options? I get to install Classic Shell and end up with shittier versions of built in applications like the Wi-Fi one. It's hard to even call this a decent iteration as it advances so little.
 
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32. Re: Sunday Tech Bits Oct 22, 2012, 07:25 InBlack
 
I have to agree with some of the posters here who said that is in some ways connected to a hardware push.

Remember when the mouse came out? DOS was king and Windows 3.1 was sort of erm eh? What?

Although I dont see exactly how the desktop can change much. I really dont know how a touchscreen is better then a Keyboard Mouse combo.

I havent seen any peripheral devices that would be good for the Metro interface and unless MS (or somebody else) comes up with a viable alternative for Mouse + KB combo this vision of theirs is going to end up down the tubes, at least for the desktop environment.

Cool things do come to mind though. A 'touch' programmmable peripheral, sort of like a keyless keyboard only with a ipad quality (or better) touch surface could be cool for metro and apps and what not...but I havent seen one in the stores yet...
 
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31. Re: Sunday Tech Bits Oct 22, 2012, 06:18 Prez
 
Except these "average users" have no reason to change to Windows 8 willingly, and have absolutely no motivation to learn anything about it.

Except when buying a new desktop or laptop with it pre-loaded. At least some people will buy them without paying much attention to the OS version. Not sure if that counts as "willingly" though...
 
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30. Re: Sunday Tech Bits Oct 22, 2012, 05:34 eRe4s3r
 
Except these "average users" have no reason to change to Windows 8 willingly, and have absolutely no motivation to learn anything about it. You are not half incorrect, the learning curve is not steep, but it is there, and "average users" don't like to relearn things without reason.  
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