Bhruic wrote on Oct 15, 2012, 21:03:

Sepharo wrote on Oct 15, 2012, 11:24:
Do you know if releasing the rats behind a closed door in doctor blahblah's lab at the beginning count as a kill?

Rats never count as kills, so you can take out as many as you want without ever getting a "kill".

Sepharo wrote on Oct 15, 2012, 11:24:
Do you know if releasing the rats behind a closed door in doctor blahblah's lab at the beginning count as a kill?

JoeNapalm wrote on Oct 15, 2012, 12:17:
Did...did you just posit the theory that checkpoints are better than an actual save game system?

Sir, I'm with the PC Police. I'm going to have to ask you to turn in your keyboard and mouse. And, unfortunately, I'm going to have to tase you. Repeatedly.[/quote

Verno wrote on Oct 15, 2012, 12:41:

Jerykk wrote on Oct 15, 2012, 12:30:
As for save scumming, it all depends on how you play. If you're going for a true ghost playthrough (no killing/incapacitating anyone)

True ghost is even harder than that - no detection, no incaps, no kills. Managing no detection is incredibly difficult on some of the missions so that's definitely one I wouldn't want to try without save scumming.

If your self-imposed rules are more flexible and you're okay with getting into fights, then relying on the autosaves alone is fine.

My own rules are pretty flexible about everything except for saving

Jerykk wrote on Oct 15, 2012, 12:30:
As for save scumming, it all depends on how you play. If you're going for a true ghost playthrough (no killing/incapacitating anyone)

If your self-imposed rules are more flexible and you're okay with getting into fights, then relying on the autosaves alone is fine.

Verno wrote on Oct 15, 2012, 12:27:

Sepharo wrote on Oct 15, 2012, 11:24:
Do you know if releasing the rats behind a closed door in doctor blahblah's lab at the beginning count as a kill? I mean, they're not my rats, they just happened to get loose. For that matter how are sidequest kills/stats handled in the end chapter/zone total up?

No idea on the first one, I wasn't paying much attention. Special tasks are divvied up in their own section in the lower left but as far as I could tell all kills and stuff count towards mission end totals. One of the later missions had an optional quest where you could pick a side between two people and resulted in a death but I don't think it counted towards to the total. Generally speaking though, most deaths will count, accidental or otherwise. As an example, a guard tried to shoot me and accidentally hit one of my mission targets and I was blamed for the kill.

The game is incredibly fun if you don't save scumm it. The game auto-saves on area transitions which are infrequent but usually enough that they essentially act as checkpoint saves.

Sepharo wrote on Oct 15, 2012, 11:24:
Do you know if releasing the rats behind a closed door in doctor blahblah's lab at the beginning count as a kill? I mean, they're not my rats, they just happened to get loose. For that matter how are sidequest kills/stats handled in the end chapter/zone total up?

theyarecomingforyou wrote on Oct 15, 2012, 12:01:

Sepharo wrote on Oct 15, 2012, 11:24:
Do you know if releasing the rats behind a closed door in doctor blahblah's lab at the beginning count as a kill? I mean, they're not my rats, they just happened to get loose. For that matter how are sidequest kills/stats handled in the end chapter/zone total up?

Ah, that's disappointing - that means it will be incredibly difficult to collect all gold and bonuses. I'm trying a clean playthrough and didn't realise they counted as deaths - I remember just recently knocking out a guard with a sleep dart but him later getting eaten by rats, so I guess I'm going to have to restart. It shouldn't count as a kill unless your actions directly caused their death.

A game like Dishonored really shouldn't include quick-save / regular save as an option but should rely on regular auto-saves. It makes stealth so much more rewarding when you can't save just before something. A great example of that is Metro 2033 - at first the lack of quick-save annoyed me but it made the game so much more rewarding. With Dishonored when I forced myself not to save at all it was so much more tense and more rewarding. In fact now that I remember I'm going to unbind the quicksave button so I don't do it instinctively.

Sepharo wrote on Oct 15, 2012, 11:24:
Do you know if releasing the rats behind a closed door in doctor blahblah's lab at the beginning count as a kill? I mean, they're not my rats, they just happened to get loose. For that matter how are sidequest kills/stats handled in the end chapter/zone total up?

Verno wrote on Oct 15, 2012, 10:38:
Glad to see Dishonored up there, game is awesome and totally underrated. Beat it on the weekend, 27 hours for my first run which was mostly non-lethal, unfortunately I don't save scumm and I had a few accidents - unconscious guard falls into water and drowns, etc.

Dev wrote on Oct 15, 2012, 00:54:
WUT! But PC GAMIN is DEADZ!

xXBatmanXx wrote on Oct 14, 2012, 14:46:

Fion wrote on Oct 14, 2012, 14:44:
What a fall for gaming. It started with Guild Wars 2 in late August and has only grown from there. Steam top 5 attests, it is a great fall for gaming.

Not only that but PC GAMIN!

nin wrote on Oct 14, 2012, 20:46:

Seriously. It's the "hope you don't have plans for the next 6 months" pack...