Beelzebud wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 14:48:
If people are still having fun with it, then good for them.

Personally I raided for 3 years, and led a raiding guild for 1.5 of those years. I've had enough of MMOs, no matter what they are. For me I'm glad to be out of the scene. Too much time and effort, for very little real world payoff.

TheEmissary wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 12:02:
The question is what will be the drop off be like after two months when the people that only came back to see the expansion. You saw spikes like these around all of the other expansions.


I do agree that GW2 is probably one of the strongest competitors to WOW at the moment. After seeing an MMO implement like one of the previous posters said, the tag-less mobs is hard not to want that in other games. The dynamic events that cycle through basic PVE quests to outdoor world boss is a fun change in that game.

There are few things that World of Warcraft seems to do a bit better such as tying the lore together a bit better. It is probably possible for the games to coexist.

briktal wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 13:41:

The two biggest things I wish they'd take from GW2 is getting rid of mob tagging and instanced nodes. I really hope they make that change for Titan. I also enjoyed using Dodge in GW2, which you can kind of use on the Monk character.

WoW has the mob tagging tech, but currently it is only used for quest "boss" mobs (to prevent large crowds of people waiting for the same NPC to respawn so they can kill it). I think you'd need something like GW2s downleveling system for that to really work though, otherwise high level players could either grief lower level characters by denying them mob XP or too easily power level characters (depending on how XP worked). Though, they do pretty much have the tech to do some sort of downleveling. I have no idea if they could currently do instanced nodes. However, those two are things you really have to integrate into the game design, so you don't flood the market with ore/herbs or don't put any high level quests in an otherwise low level zone.

Agent.X7 wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 12:34:

Kythlyn wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 11:12:
The biggest problem with Panda is Guild Wars 2. Going back to a quest log from dynamic questing is jarring.

Yup, could not get back into the WoW combat. I tried. I really want to see the content. I just can't. I do like Pet battles though. Probably because I had over 100 before this expansion, and now they actually do something.

I think I interrupt and avoid attacks more in WoW than I did in GW2, though my GW2 character was a warrior with Healing Signet,

The two biggest things I wish they'd take from GW2 is getting rid of mob tagging and instanced nodes. I really hope they make that change for Titan. I also enjoyed using Dodge in GW2, which you can kind of use on the Monk character.

Agent.X7 wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 12:34:

Kythlyn wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 11:12:
The biggest problem with Panda is Guild Wars 2. Going back to a quest log from dynamic questing is jarring.

Yup, could not get back into the WoW combat. I tried. I really want to see the content. I just can't. I do like Pet battles though. Probably because I had over 100 before this expansion, and now they actually do something.

deqer wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 13:14:
Yes, because putting players into a sandbox and having them spend the time to figure it out on their own like it's a real job or something is SO FUN... ...

Normal people do not spend their life inside a video game, inside their moms place.

Smellfinger wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 12:08:
Why have do we need quests at all? Why bother crafting a massive world if you force players to follow the same path from beginning to end?

Creston wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 12:10:

Smellfinger wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 12:08:
Why have do we need quests at all? Why bother crafting a massive world if you force players to follow the same path from beginning to end? Non-linear exploration and freedom of choice used to be what differentiated MMORPGs like UO and EverQuest from single player games.

Because probably 90% of current-day MMO players need to have their hand held to entertain themselves. You can't just give them a sandbox and tell them to have fun, they'd stand in the starting zone going "WAAAAH WHAT DO I DO?!" while breathing through their mouths.

Creston

Kythlyn wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 11:12:
The biggest problem with Panda is Guild Wars 2. Going back to a quest log from dynamic questing is jarring.

Smellfinger wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 12:08:
Why have do we need quests at all? Why bother crafting a massive world if you force players to follow the same path from beginning to end? Non-linear exploration and freedom of choice used to be what differentiated MMORPGs like UO and EverQuest from single player games. It's pretty sad when a single player RPG like Dark Souls offers a more non-linear and dynamic experience than WoW, Guild Wars 2 or any modern MMO.

Creston wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 11:41:
It'll be interesting to see how fast the subscriber rates falls again once those 2.7 million people have played through all the content.

Creston

Smellfinger wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 12:08:
Why have do we need quests at all? Why bother crafting a massive world if you force players to follow the same path from beginning to end? Non-linear exploration and freedom of choice used to be what differentiated MMORPGs like UO and EverQuest from single player games. It's pretty sad when a single player RPG like Dark Souls offers a more non-linear and dynamic experience than WoW, Guild Wars 2 or any modern MMO.

Smellfinger wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 12:08:
Why have do we need quests at all? Why bother crafting a massive world if you force players to follow the same path from beginning to end? Non-linear exploration and freedom of choice used to be what differentiated MMORPGs like UO and EverQuest from single player games.