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Out of the Blue

Creston and I tied for last at 9-6 picking the NFL games last week (I'm going to give him the Broncos since he mentioned Manning in picking the Colts, who didn't actually play), and Jivaro and Mag did us one better at 10-5. But hats off to Cutter, who returned to dominance by going 12-3. Here's what my dartboard and I came up with for this week: Cardinals, Dolphins, Packers, Ravens, Giants, Steelers, Falcons, Seahawks, Bears, Vikings, Patriots, 49ers, Chargers, Texans.

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24. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 5, 2012, 17:15 killer_roach
 
Creston wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 11:52:
As for the triple crown not getting the attention it deserves, it's because quite a lot of fans are (grudgingly) starting to realize that batting average and RsBI are fairly pointless statistics. They're fun to look at in a glance, but people (even the mongrels at the BBWAA) are slowly coming to accept that there are much better statistics that tell you much more about how good and how valuable a player really is.

That said, it is still a pretty tremendous achievement, and I applaud it.

Creston

Then again, Mike Trout (the main rival to Cabrera for the MVP race) largely has a high WAR value due to blowing out the numbers on stolen bases, a stat that almost nobody specializes in anymore. As a result, even a modest stolen base total will cause a significant raise in WAR (as the average player at their position will have very few). For somebody like Trout, who ran away with the stolen base lead...

It results in interesting numbers, but saying Trout should be MVP based on WAR inflated by stolen bases means that Vince Coleman and Rickey Henderson should've almost never lost the MVP in their primes.
 
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23. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 5, 2012, 11:27 Creston
 
Prez wrote on Oct 5, 2012, 00:05:
At least you football and baseball fans get to see your sports played. We hockey fans get to watch the owners lockout the players and now the inevitable cancellation of games has begun. I give it another two months of pointless bickering and we'll see the entire season cancelled again.

That's what you get for supporting a foolish sport. :p

Creston
 
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22. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 5, 2012, 00:38 Jivaro
 
1badmf wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 17:55:
Jivaro wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 13:54:
ockky wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 12:33:
I just assumed it was because people dont care about baseball anymore.

Here in the Oakland/SF Bay Area it is interesting to see how many baseball fans we have all of a sudden.....

It never amazes me how many fair weather fans California seems to have. Its just like when the kings were in the hockey playoffs last year. All of a sudden the whole damn state was composed of hockey fans that somehow I had never ever seen before. I guess they hibernate during the regular season or something.

Raiders fans are consistent, I will give them that. Same with the 49ers. But that is football and it seems to be "America's Game" for the time being.

you must not come to LA much. the dodgers and kings always sell well, even in bad years. even the dodgers last losing season in '05 had them in the top 5 in attendance. and the kings sold out every home game last year. it's just a symptom of out-of-state and rival ignorance that people think otherwise, because it's never been true.

I have lived in California for half of my nearly 40 years. Both ends of the state. I am in SoCal more often then I would actually like. I am glad that has been your experience, that certainly makes being a fan more fun....but everyone from Sportscenter to LA's local CSN channel was making fun of how popular the Kings got late last year. Hell, the Kings players were joking about it.

 
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21. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 5, 2012, 00:05 Prez
 
At least you football and baseball fans get to see your sports played. We hockey fans get to watch the owners lockout the players and now the inevitable cancellation of games has begun. I give it another two months of pointless bickering and we'll see the entire season cancelled again.  
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20. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 4, 2012, 23:13 Creston
 
ockky wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 12:33:
I just assumed it was because people dont care about baseball anymore.

Yeah, sure looks like it.

Creston
 
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19. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 4, 2012, 19:22 Cutter
 
Funny thing is, I pretty much knew the Vikes and Texans were going to win but I just can't bring myself to choose them. Now, if we're talking money that's a different story. Ok, let's see what the Magic 8-Ball says for this week...I feel like taking some risks.

Cardinals, Bengals, Giants, Packers, Eagles, Redskins, Ravens, Bears, Seahawks, 49ers, Patriots, Titans, Chargers, Jets.
 
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18. Re: Out of thBluee Oct 4, 2012, 18:55 Creston
 
Ravener wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 18:11:
Creston wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 17:00:
But in any case, child, I'm sorry I wasn't entertaining enough. Run back to college and scream real loud how unfair the world is and how it NEEDS TO BE BETTER, DAMMIT!

Creston

Actually, I'm much more aligned with the Tea Party than with the OWS people, as you seem to suggest. And I didn't mean to insult you, just a bit weary of the cynical disengagement I see from some, when I think we need more informed participation instead.

Are you a Ron Paul guy? If so, I can understand some of the bitterness at the status quo.

No, I'm just tired of the two-party system where your only choice is liar 1 on the left or liar 2 on the right. Sure, you can vote for an independent, but they simply have no chance of winning, so what's really the point?

And neither the Democrats nor the Republicans would ever let another party get into any kind of "power" (metaphorically speaking), so this is all we're going to get to. Not that most other forms of government are any better, really. I think the Dutch government just fell for the 6th time in 10 years, so their way of doing things really isn't getting anything done either.

I just wish that maybe once, a candidate would be honest about something. "How are you going to tackle unemployment?" -- "Well, there really isn't much a president can do about that. We'll try what little we can to spruce up the economy, and give companies incentives to hire here rather than outsource everything, but that's about it."

As opposed to the "I WILL CREATE FOUR MILLION JOBS!" It's the exact same spiel he gave in 2008. Exact same number of jobs too.

So yeah, to me the presidential debate is just both sides bleating bullshit. They know full well that 95% of what they're saying is either impossible or they have no desire to do what they say anyway.

jdreyer wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 17:24:
That being said, everything Romney said was the opposite of what he'd been saying for the past year,

It's gotta be hard to keep all your lies straight for so long, ya know?


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17. Re: Out of thBluee Oct 4, 2012, 18:11 Ravener
 
Creston wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 17:00:
But in any case, child, I'm sorry I wasn't entertaining enough. Run back to college and scream real loud how unfair the world is and how it NEEDS TO BE BETTER, DAMMIT!

Creston

Actually, I'm much more aligned with the Tea Party than with the OWS people, as you seem to suggest. And I didn't mean to insult you, just a bit weary of the cynical disengagement I see from some, when I think we need more informed participation instead.

Are you a Ron Paul guy? If so, I can understand some of the bitterness at the status quo.
 
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16. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 4, 2012, 17:55 1badmf
 
Jivaro wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 13:54:
ockky wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 12:33:
I just assumed it was because people dont care about baseball anymore.

Here in the Oakland/SF Bay Area it is interesting to see how many baseball fans we have all of a sudden.....

It never amazes me how many fair weather fans California seems to have. Its just like when the kings were in the hockey playoffs last year. All of a sudden the whole damn state was composed of hockey fans that somehow I had never ever seen before. I guess they hibernate during the regular season or something.

Raiders fans are consistent, I will give them that. Same with the 49ers. But that is football and it seems to be "America's Game" for the time being.

you must not come to LA much. the dodgers and kings always sell well, even in bad years. even the dodgers last losing season in '05 had them in the top 5 in attendance. and the kings sold out every home game last year. it's just a symptom of out-of-state and rival ignorance that people think otherwise, because it's never been true.
 
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15. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 4, 2012, 17:54 mag
 
Cardinals, Bengals (a 4-win streak is ridiculous to expect of them, but...) Packers, Ravens, Giants, Steelers, Redskins, Seahawks, Bears, Vikings, Broncos, 49ers, Chargers, Texans.  
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14. Enter the Freeman Oct 4, 2012, 17:43 jdreyer
 
Well done!  
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13. Re: Out of thBluee Oct 4, 2012, 17:24 jdreyer
 
TangledThorns wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 13:15:
Anybody watch last night's presidential debate? Romney won huge.
He was definitely more aggressive and animated. The president looked tired. That being said, everything Romney said was the opposite of what he'd been saying for the past year, so there will be lots of fodder there for the ads.
 
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12. Re: Out of thBluee Oct 4, 2012, 17:00 Creston
 
Ravener wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 16:00:
Creston wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 13:52:
Liar #1: ....
Liar #2: *crickets*

Creston

Congratulations on having figured out politics! Your cynical insight has really cut through the issues and raised the level of intelligent discourse. Your country thanks you.

Ah yes, the "issues." Funny how those are pretty much the same issues we had in 2008, and that candidate #1, who won, promised to do a lot about those issues.

It might just be that many of these issues are beyond the powers of a president to fix, seeing as how the US is a free market economy, and thus not really susceptible (much) to governmental influence. But we'll hear them bleat about those issues over and over and over, full of empty promises to FIX UNEMPLOYMENT and CREATE FOUR MILLION JOBS etc etc etc.

But in any case, child, I'm sorry I wasn't entertaining enough. Run back to college and scream real loud how unfair the world is and how it NEEDS TO BE BETTER, DAMMIT!

Creston
 
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11. Re: Out of thBluee Oct 4, 2012, 16:00 Ravener
 
Creston wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 13:52:
Liar #1: ....
Liar #2: *crickets*

Creston

Congratulations on having figured out politics! Your cynical insight has really cut through the issues and raised the level of intelligent discourse. Your country thanks you.
 
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10. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 4, 2012, 15:04 BobBob
 
Football is very homoerotic.

http://www.salon.com/2003/01/08/homoerotic/
 
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9. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 4, 2012, 13:54 Jivaro
 
ockky wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 12:33:
I just assumed it was because people dont care about baseball anymore.

Here in the Oakland/SF Bay Area it is interesting to see how many baseball fans we have all of a sudden.....

It never amazes me how many fair weather fans California seems to have. Its just like when the kings were in the hockey playoffs last year. All of a sudden the whole damn state was composed of hockey fans that somehow I had never ever seen before. I guess they hibernate during the regular season or something.

Raiders fans are consistent, I will give them that. Same with the 49ers. But that is football and it seems to be "America's Game" for the time being.
 
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8. Re: Out of thBluee Oct 4, 2012, 13:52 Creston
 
TangledThorns wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 13:15:
Anybody watch last night's presidential debate? Romney won huge.

People actually watch that still?

Liar #1: "blablabla, Liar#2 sucks, blablabla, I'm the greatest, blablabla, I will cure all ills, blablabla, puppies for everyone!"

Liar #2: "Such humbug! blablabla Liar #1 is a worthless president, and I will fix all problems, blablaba solve the deficit, blablabla give everyone puppies AND kittens AND unicorns AND net neutrality blablabla and the world will enter a new golden age!"


Question never asked: "How much of this would either of you actually follow through on if you got into office?"

Liar #1: ....
Liar #2: *crickets*

Creston
 
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7. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 4, 2012, 13:50 Jivaro
 
Arizona, Cincy, Green Bay, Baltimore, G-Men, Pittsburg, Atlanta, Carolina, Chicago, Minnesota, New England, San Fran, New Orleans, Houston.

I honestly think San Diego is a better team then New Orleans, but New Orleans is due and they are playing at the Dome...hard to imagine them losing again. If I had picked the NYJ-Houston game at the beginning of the season I would have said Jets, if only because of home field advantage, but they are just a train wreck right now.
 
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6. Re: Out of thBluee Oct 4, 2012, 13:15 TangledThorns
 
Anybody watch last night's presidential debate? Romney won huge.  
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5. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 4, 2012, 12:33 ockky
 
I just assumed it was because people dont care about baseball anymore.  
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