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Notch Knocks Win8: Minecraft Certification in Doubt

A tweet by Minecraft creator Markus 'Notch' Persson relates an exchange with Microsoft about Windows 8 and the indie sandbox game: "Got an email from microsoft, wanting to help 'certify' minecraft for win 8. I told them to stop trying to ruin the pc as an open platform." He follows this expressing his distaste for the process and the new OS: "I'd rather have minecraft not run on win 8 at all than to play along. Maybe we can convince a few people not to switch to win 8 that way.." Thanks Computer and Video Games.

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39. Re: Notch Knocks Win8: Minecraft Certification in Doubt Sep 27, 2012, 12:36 SpectralMeat
 
ASeven wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:32:
unless Win8 is a major financial failure.
That is what I am hoping for.
 
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38. Re: More Big Picture Details Sep 27, 2012, 12:36 Mashiki Amiketo
 
HorrorScope wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:32:
At home they are qualified to do whatever the hell they want, imo.
Exactly. If they screw something up, well that's fine too. Because it just means some extra cash in your pocket at the end of the day. You do like money don't you? And they learned a valuable lesson about flipping pretty buttons. Hey, everyone in IT learned the same way, oohhh...*shiny* it doesn't hurt to break things on your own. It's how you learn.
 
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37. Re: More Big Picture Details Sep 27, 2012, 12:32 HorrorScope
 
PHJF wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:14:
It's about the slippery slope MS now created with Win8, the potential of taking away control from the users.

Most users are not qualified to be IN control of anything other than MSPaint or Minesweeper. 99% of IT work is trying to prevent people doing things or undoing what they've done.

At home they are qualified to do whatever the hell they want, imo.
 
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36. Re: Notch Knocks Win8: Minecraft Certification in Doubt Sep 27, 2012, 12:32 ASeven
 
Beamer wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:18:
PHJF wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:14:
It's about the slippery slope MS now created with Win8, the potential of taking away control from the users.

Most users are not qualified to be IN control of anything other than MSPaint or Minesweeper. 99% of IT work is trying to prevent people doing things or undoing what they've done.

Most don't want to be in control, either. Hence the huge explosion of Apple and Google.
So Microsoft will very happily monetize losing control, because that's what the market demands. We all know what happens to companies that ignore what their consumers want when demand is this overwhelming.

But just because they create a nice little walled-in courtyard for people afraid of the outside world doesn't mean they'll prevent anyone else from venturing out there. As I keep mentioning, businesses could not survive like this. They still rely on legacy software, custom modifications to existing software, etc. Walling off like this would strangle enterprise, which is still the Microsoft bread-and-butter.

You are assuming MS is acting logically or has the interest of customers at heart. If the company's past history shows anything is that they are prone to make some major fuck-ups as well. They are clearly taking the Apple road here and it will get worse, not better, unless Win8 is a major financial failure.
 
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35. Re: Notch Knocks Win8: Minecraft Certification in Doubt Sep 27, 2012, 12:28 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Not sure what the issue is for everyone. The twitter embed looks fine to me. No extra spacing or any weirdness at all (Firefox 15).

Anyway, I think I agree with him that anything that contributes to a more closed environment in Windows is a bad thing. It should remain an open platform. We have plenty of closed platforms already.

He doesn't have an issue with closed platforms, only with Windows moving in that direction, as it has always been open.

 
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34. Re: Notch Knocks Win8: Minecraft Certification in Doubt Sep 27, 2012, 12:26 SpectralMeat
 
sauron wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 11:58:
eRe4s3r wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 10:44:
I wouldn't mind a bluesnews twitter feed, as long as it stays out of the RSS feeds and the layout

That could be great!

@bluesnews

18.45: Delicious nine-alarm wings! #cuisine #firetruck #alkaseltzer

21.35: Hudson TWD just peed in my office again #deaddog #goddamnit

22.15: Person sitting in a van outside the yard again. Wonder who it is? #nin

The possibilities are endless!


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33. No subject Sep 27, 2012, 12:24 NoyzRulz
 
I guess if you get lucky making a really crappy looking game and make a ton of money you get a soap box to stand on. If the game sold under 100,000 copies no one would listen. Oh wait, most of us aren't.  
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32. Re: Notch Knocks Win8: Minecraft Certification in Doubt Sep 27, 2012, 12:18 Beamer
 
PHJF wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:14:
It's about the slippery slope MS now created with Win8, the potential of taking away control from the users.

Most users are not qualified to be IN control of anything other than MSPaint or Minesweeper. 99% of IT work is trying to prevent people doing things or undoing what they've done.

Most don't want to be in control, either. Hence the huge explosion of Apple and Google.
So Microsoft will very happily monetize losing control, because that's what the market demands. We all know what happens to companies that ignore what their consumers want when demand is this overwhelming.

But just because they create a nice little walled-in courtyard for people afraid of the outside world doesn't mean they'll prevent anyone else from venturing out there. As I keep mentioning, businesses could not survive like this. They still rely on legacy software, custom modifications to existing software, etc. Walling off like this would strangle enterprise, which is still the Microsoft bread-and-butter.
 
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31. Re: Notch Knocks Win8: Minecraft Certification in Doubt Sep 27, 2012, 12:14 PHJF
 
It's about the slippery slope MS now created with Win8, the potential of taking away control from the users.

Most users are not qualified to be IN control of anything other than MSPaint or Minesweeper. 99% of IT work is trying to prevent people doing things or undoing what they've done.
 
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30. Re: Notch Knocks Win8: Minecraft Certification in Doubt Sep 27, 2012, 11:59 ASeven
 
Not to mention that calling Notch a hypocrite for his app in Ios and Android is severely missing the point. IOs started as a closed OS from the start and Android started as a semi-open OS.

Windows started as a fully open OS.
 
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29. Re: More Big Picture Details Sep 27, 2012, 11:59 HorrorScope
 
They want their 20K for patches! j/k maybe.  
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28. Re: Notch Knocks Win8: Minecraft Certification in Doubt Sep 27, 2012, 11:58 sauron
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 10:44:
I wouldn't mind a bluesnews twitter feed, as long as it stays out of the RSS feeds and the layout

That could be great!

@bluesnews

18.45: Delicious nine-alarm wings! #cuisine #firetruck #alkaseltzer

21.35: Hudson TWD just peed in my office again #deaddog #goddamnit

22.15: Person sitting in a van outside the yard again. Wonder who it is? #nin

The possibilities are endless!

 
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26. Re: Notch Knocks Win8: Minecraft Certification in Doubt Sep 27, 2012, 11:55 ASeven
 
So many people missing the point of Notch's tweet.

It's not about if you can run Minecraft on Win8 outside the appstore or not. It's about the slippery slope MS now created with Win8, the potential of taking away control from the users. MS is following the Apple route and anyone who thinks Notch's a hypocrite then they should evaluate if they want PC gaming completely controlled by MS in a decade or so or if they still want the PC as an open platform.

The fact is simple, Win8 sets a dangerous precedent. Sure you can still run stuff outside the app store but the precedent, and consecutive slippery slope, is now established with Win8 and anyone who doesn't see this is either blind like hell or an idiot.
 
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25. Re: Out of the Blue Sep 27, 2012, 11:52 Rigs
 
Is that...is that an IMAGE on the news page?!? SACRILEGE! Who are you and what have you done with the real Blue?! HERETIC! EVERYONE! GET HIM SO WE CAN BURN HIM AT THE STAKE! He must be interrogated to find out where the real Blue is! BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE! Alien

*ahem*

Anyway, I can't really see any reason why anyone would want to 'upgrade' to Windows8. Seriously, it has nothing worth getting and is just a royal pain in the ass to deal with. At least previous Windows versions had some kind of gimmick or feature that made upgrading at a consideration. Even WindowsME had some features that were desirable like the integration of the NT code base which meant everything ran smoother, and even looked smoother. We won't mention that it was a total disaster and lack of planning and extensive testing meant that what should have been the equivalent of an early WindowsXP turned into one of the worst Windows versions ever. Vista was ok, I'm not sure where all the absolute scathing hatred really comes from as from what I've dealt with, the only real flaw in it was it's excessive resource requirements and use (ie being a bloated pig) and some nagging issues regarding older or brand new hardware, mostly coming down to drivers either not mature enough or just non-existent all together. There are several large bugs/undocumented 'features' that managed to skip through but those were corrected with Service Packs, for the most part. Again, I don't see where the hate comes from, except for those wanting to look cool and jumping on the bandwagon. That said, I see absolutely NO reason why anyone should be using Vista anymore anyway. Windows7 is what Vista should have been when first released and has totally and completely superseded it. I actually respect MS very much for taking the criticism of Vista (however unfounded a lot of it may have been) and instead of pretending that there was nothing wrong or coming up with some lame excuse, set about fixing the problems quickly. While they may not have publicly admitted that Vista was a failure, they nevertheless treated it as such and did what had to be done for Windows7. For all the hate that people have for Vista, there should be just as much commendation for MS getting Windows7 out quickly and right. With all this in mind, it makes one wonder what is going through their heads in regards to Windows8? Seriously, who came up with this shit? With Windows7, it looked as if MS was trying to emulate Apple in many ways, with Aero and various features and apps that closely mirrored what was on the Mac. Then, as if waking up from a dream, MS totally changed their course, throwing Aero completely OUT. Not toning it down, not changing it or making it more efficient. No, they THREW IT OUT completely! WHY? I can find no good reason WHY they had to do that. Or even WHY they'd WANT to do that! Something happened after Windows7's release that changed the course MS was steered on. Was it time travel? Did a future, near-death Bill Gates come back from the future and change history? Did Steve Ballmer come back from the future to see just how bad he could fuck up MS and still have it's customers crying out for more? I mean, what? Are they trying to destroy the solid foundation they'd started building with Windows7? Windows8 could have been so much more, so much better. Aero could have been streamlined, the Start menu could have been made more efficient and with the power available with today's hardware, Aero could have looked good!

But no. No, instead of all that, we have a version of Windows that looks like and treats it's users like a bunch of 2nd graders made it. Instead of complex, sleek menus done with the latest graphical techniques, we have Metro, so dumbed down and stupid looking that it's embarrassing just to look at screenshots of it, let alone work on it. Now the whole world can say, in unison, 'Where the HELL is my Start menu?!?'

Maybe that was the whole point. Maybe it's a big joke. And just maybe Steve Jobs possessed Steve Ballmer after selling his soul to the devil...I mean, could that be any more outlandish than if I showed you screenshots of Windows8 back in 2004 and said this is the future of Windows? You'd either laugh in my face or punch it, but you'd never believe it... *sigh*


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24. Re: Notch Knocks Win8: Minecraft Certification in Doubt Sep 27, 2012, 11:41 PHJF
 

"Certify minecraft for win8"?

What does this even mean?

It means Microsoft is trying to do with software what they did with drivers. Starting with Vista x64, the OS would not load device drivers that were not digitally signed by MS (which costs $). Presumably MS wants an OS that won't load software which isn't OK'd by them.

Presumably.
 
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23. Re: Notch Knocks Win8: Minecraft Certification in Doubt Sep 27, 2012, 11:40 killer_roach
 
Axis wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 11:35:
Windows is getting better and better... for Linux!

Linux's biggest enemy isn't Microsoft - it's Linux.
 
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22. Re: Notch Knocks Win8: Minecraft Certification in Doubt Sep 27, 2012, 11:38 Jivaro
 
You are giving Microsoft entirely too much credit.  
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21. Re: Notch Knocks Win8: Minecraft Certification in Doubt Sep 27, 2012, 11:35 Beamer
 
Jivaro wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 11:24:
And Beamer, while there might be some who don't see the difference that you correctly pointed out...that isn't his point either. There is a larger picture that I am very sure you are more then aware of. Please don't pretend you don't, you would have to be completely naive and your posting history does not seem to indicate that you are that blind. This is a step-by-step process MS is taking in the evolution of their OS and people have a problem with the direction because they know where it goes. So do you.

But it isn't entirely.
I agree with Notch's decision not to get it signed. He doesn't need to be in the store, and being in the store would likely damage what has made Minecraft great on this platform (in ways it isn't great on other platforms.)

Microsoft has no real interest in ever closing Windows, though. They're not that dumb. What they want to do is close it for many people - those that already view it as mostly closed and don't much care about the openness. I don't see much of an issue with that, in fact, it's pretty well shown to be the only method of survival.

Apple is nearing a trillion dollar company due to this business model. Google, as of this morning, is $12 billion behind Microsoft - about 4%.
This is how the masses want their software. And that's fine. Let them have it this way. But Microsoft knows that there's a large fringe that does not want their software this way. They also know that businesses CANNOT have their software this way.
So Microsoft isn't interested in closing this loop. They're just interested in giving consumers what they want and what they pay enormous amounts of money for.
 
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20. Re: Notch Knocks Win8: Minecraft Certification in Doubt Sep 27, 2012, 11:35 Axis
 
Windows is getting better and better... for Linux!  
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