ASeven wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 14:02:

Beamer wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:49:

ASeven wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:32:

Beamer wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:18:

PHJF wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:14:

It's about the slippery slope MS now created with Win8, the potential of taking away control from the users.

Most users are not qualified to be IN control of anything other than MSPaint or Minesweeper. 99% of IT work is trying to prevent people doing things or undoing what they've done.

Most don't want to be in control, either. Hence the huge explosion of Apple and Google.
So Microsoft will very happily monetize losing control, because that's what the market demands. We all know what happens to companies that ignore what their consumers want when demand is this overwhelming.

But just because they create a nice little walled-in courtyard for people afraid of the outside world doesn't mean they'll prevent anyone else from venturing out there. As I keep mentioning, businesses could not survive like this. They still rely on legacy software, custom modifications to existing software, etc. Walling off like this would strangle enterprise, which is still the Microsoft bread-and-butter.

You are assuming MS is acting logically or has the interest of customers at heart. If the company's past history shows anything is that they are prone to make some major fuck-ups as well. They are clearly taking the Apple road here and it will get worse, not better, unless Win8 is a major financial failure.

You can only assume they act logically, and having the interest of the consumer and the interest of themselves at heart is the only way to survive.

What you repeatedly ignore is that [b]the bulk of Microsoft's business is enterprise[/b] and that [b]enterprise cannot exist in a walled-in ecosystem.[/b] So if you think Microsoft will cut off their strongest, most reliable, most profitable customers, I'd argue you're not the one being rational.

Now, we may end up with Windows 9 Consumer edition which is walled in and Windows 9 Enterprise which isn't, but is 3x the price, but Microsoft knows they cannot turn their back on enterprise and knows enterprise and walled-in cannot exist together.

Again, companies acting logically only happens in pure Economic Theory. The real world is far different though and companies often act in retarded and illogical way, often very anti-consumer. Publishers are the shining example of that. Also, MS has a lot of past fuck ups that were anything but logical though if you wish to ignore and whitewash them it's your choice.

Beamer wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:51:

ASeven wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:40:

SpectralMeat wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:36:

ASeven wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:32:
unless Win8 is a major financial failure.

That is what I am hoping for.

Early signs point to a failure. Time will tell if it is or not.

What "signs?"
Analysts are high. Early previews are high. Most articles written about it in the mainstream media are very pleased.

The hardcore nerds aren't pleased, but we're the minority. It's not being made specifically for us. We'll begrudgingly move on to whatever we need to, and we tend to be very slow adopters of major changes, anyway.

As for this, you answered this yourself.

"What you repeatedly ignore is that [b]the bulk of Microsoft's business is enterprise[/b] and that [b]enterprise cannot exist in a walled-in ecosystem.[/b]"

Corporations, the biggest Windows customer share, have absolutely NO reason to move to Win8. No reason whatsoever. Who cares if reviews and blind to reality analysts think? Sales are what matter. Hell, reviews for Vista were also high and analysts were also high, in more ways than one, and we all know Vista was a financial failure.

So again, the signs are here. Corporations, big and small, have no reason whatsoever to move. Win8 offers nothing new, it takes away more features than it gives in fact. Adoption rate will be lower than Vista more than likely.

But hey, keep on living in fairy land where publishers are doing well and MS always acts logically.

Graham wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 13:51:

InBlack wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 11:02:

yuastnav wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 10:38:
"Certify minecraft for win8"?

What does this even mean?

It means that they want to turn Windows PC's into a closed system ala Apple's Macintosh computers.

All software has to be 'certified' by Microsoft before the OS will let it run. Microsoft will probably take this a step further as they will only allow digital copies of the software to be purchaed through their built-in app buying software. (again ala Apple's Itunes)

Sorry, we need to correct some ignorance here.

OS X is not a closed system. It has a gatekeeper that can be completely turned off. Software can be downloaded from the Internet, installed from third party apps stores, or even compiled yourself with free tools that are both included in the OS and available freely online.

The conduit for buying software as a digital download from Apple is the "App Store". iTunes is used for movies, TV shows, music, and iOS apps.

I expect better from a site frequented by people this close to technology. If you're going to talk shit about something, understand it first.

--Written from my Ubuntu installation on a self-built rig.

Matshock wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 13:15:

NKD wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 13:08:
Minecraft works fine on Windows 8. Beyond that no one should give two fucks.

For now- they may implement licensing restrictions in the future so one day Mojang either does MS's certification process and passes the cost on to you or tells MS to piss off and all future releases of Minecraft won't work on Windows 8.

Patches slow down because they all wait on MS approval, indie titles get shut out, etc. etc..

Beamer wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:49:

ASeven wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:32:

Beamer wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:18:

PHJF wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:14:

It's about the slippery slope MS now created with Win8, the potential of taking away control from the users.

Most users are not qualified to be IN control of anything other than MSPaint or Minesweeper. 99% of IT work is trying to prevent people doing things or undoing what they've done.

Most don't want to be in control, either. Hence the huge explosion of Apple and Google.
So Microsoft will very happily monetize losing control, because that's what the market demands. We all know what happens to companies that ignore what their consumers want when demand is this overwhelming.

But just because they create a nice little walled-in courtyard for people afraid of the outside world doesn't mean they'll prevent anyone else from venturing out there. As I keep mentioning, businesses could not survive like this. They still rely on legacy software, custom modifications to existing software, etc. Walling off like this would strangle enterprise, which is still the Microsoft bread-and-butter.

You are assuming MS is acting logically or has the interest of customers at heart. If the company's past history shows anything is that they are prone to make some major fuck-ups as well. They are clearly taking the Apple road here and it will get worse, not better, unless Win8 is a major financial failure.

You can only assume they act logically, and having the interest of the consumer and the interest of themselves at heart is the only way to survive.

What you repeatedly ignore is that [b]the bulk of Microsoft's business is enterprise[/b] and that [b]enterprise cannot exist in a walled-in ecosystem.[/b] So if you think Microsoft will cut off their strongest, most reliable, most profitable customers, I'd argue you're not the one being rational.

Now, we may end up with Windows 9 Consumer edition which is walled in and Windows 9 Enterprise which isn't, but is 3x the price, but Microsoft knows they cannot turn their back on enterprise and knows enterprise and walled-in cannot exist together.

Beamer wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:51:

ASeven wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:40:

SpectralMeat wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:36:

ASeven wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:32:
unless Win8 is a major financial failure.

That is what I am hoping for.

Early signs point to a failure. Time will tell if it is or not.

What "signs?"
Analysts are high. Early previews are high. Most articles written about it in the mainstream media are very pleased.

The hardcore nerds aren't pleased, but we're the minority. It's not being made specifically for us. We'll begrudgingly move on to whatever we need to, and we tend to be very slow adopters of major changes, anyway.

Jivaro wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 11:38:
You are giving Microsoft entirely too much credit.

We all know what happens to companies that ignore what their consumers want when demand is this overwhelming.

InBlack wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 11:02:

yuastnav wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 10:38:
"Certify minecraft for win8"?

What does this even mean?

It means that they want to turn Windows PC's into a closed system ala Apple's Macintosh computers.

All software has to be 'certified' by Microsoft before the OS will let it run. Microsoft will probably take this a step further as they will only allow digital copies of the software to be purchaed through their built-in app buying software. (again ala Apple's Itunes)

NKD wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 13:08:
Minecraft works fine on Windows 8. Beyond that no one should give two fucks.

ASeven wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:40:

SpectralMeat wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:36:

ASeven wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:32:
unless Win8 is a major financial failure.

That is what I am hoping for.

Early signs point to a failure. Time will tell if it is or not.

ASeven wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:32:

Beamer wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:18:

PHJF wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:14:

It's about the slippery slope MS now created with Win8, the potential of taking away control from the users.

Most users are not qualified to be IN control of anything other than MSPaint or Minesweeper. 99% of IT work is trying to prevent people doing things or undoing what they've done.

Most don't want to be in control, either. Hence the huge explosion of Apple and Google.
So Microsoft will very happily monetize losing control, because that's what the market demands. We all know what happens to companies that ignore what their consumers want when demand is this overwhelming.

But just because they create a nice little walled-in courtyard for people afraid of the outside world doesn't mean they'll prevent anyone else from venturing out there. As I keep mentioning, businesses could not survive like this. They still rely on legacy software, custom modifications to existing software, etc. Walling off like this would strangle enterprise, which is still the Microsoft bread-and-butter.

You are assuming MS is acting logically or has the interest of customers at heart. If the company's past history shows anything is that they are prone to make some major fuck-ups as well. They are clearly taking the Apple road here and it will get worse, not better, unless Win8 is a major financial failure.

ASeven wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:38:

HorrorScope wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:32:

PHJF wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:14:

It's about the slippery slope MS now created with Win8, the potential of taking away control from the users.

Most users are not qualified to be IN control of anything other than MSPaint or Minesweeper. 99% of IT work is trying to prevent people doing things or undoing what they've done.

At home they are qualified to do whatever the hell they want, imo.

This. At home I do whatever I want, whether others think otherwise or not.

SpectralMeat wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:36:

ASeven wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:32:
unless Win8 is a major financial failure.

That is what I am hoping for.

HorrorScope wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:32:

PHJF wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:14:

It's about the slippery slope MS now created with Win8, the potential of taking away control from the users.

Most users are not qualified to be IN control of anything other than MSPaint or Minesweeper. 99% of IT work is trying to prevent people doing things or undoing what they've done.

At home they are qualified to do whatever the hell they want, imo.