Got an email from microsoft, wanting to help "certify" minecraft for win 8. I told them to stop trying to ruin the pc as an open platform.
— Markus Persson (@notch) September 27, 2012
Beamer wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 17:20:Meh. The reviews from the mainstream press are about as trustworthy as greek bonds.
I don't see much damage to the desktop because the mainstream coverage of WP8 is absolutely glowing.
Dades wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 17:15:
Me thinks he doth protest too much.
Beamer wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 17:20:
Me?
I don't know what I'm protesting. iOS and Android suck for most things. It's nice to see someone trying to change that. The change is not convincing, and it may come at the expense of the desktop, but I've called this a hail mary in the past.
I don't see much damage to the desktop because the mainstream coverage of WP8 is absolutely glowing
NoyzRulz wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 12:24:
I guess if you get lucky making a really crappy looking game and make a ton of money you get a soap box to stand on. If the game sold under 100,000 copies no one would listen. Oh wait, most of us aren't.
PHJF wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 11:41:
"Certify minecraft for win8"?
What does this even mean?
It means Microsoft is trying to do with software what they did with drivers. Starting with Vista x64, the OS would not load device drivers that were not digitally signed by MS (which costs $). Presumably MS wants an OS that won't load software which isn't OK'd by them.
Presumably.
Dades wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 17:15:
Me thinks he doth protest too much.
Creston wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 17:01:Beamer wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 16:20:
Our company isn't alone - this has become extremely common in larger corporations.
Just because your corporation is doing it doesn't mean that it's become "extremely common." My corporation has basically given up on them, and I know guys in IT in over half a dozen other corporation, and apart from one where they've yet to give the okay to incorporate them into the IT structure (they're pretty tight about security due to the work they do), the others have similar stories to mine. They like them at first, then give them back when they realize they can't get any work done on them.
So my anecdotal evidence gainsays your anecdotal evidence. Unless you can come up with some actual numbers that say that corporate execs have largely flocked to tablets, that's all it will remain.Surface Pro, being a full-fledged laptop in a smaller form factor, can change this. Hopefully the stylus issue is resolved, but more importantly they'll have access to the software they need. They'll be able to hook a mouse and keyboard up to it. It will be the only thing they'll need to travel. Rather than simply having a device to augment their laptop in meetings they'll actually have their laptop in meetings (something not really viable right now as you're then hiding behind a laptop.)
Will this work out? Who knows? We haven't seen anything but potential yet, but that potential is certainly far above what iPads are doing right now.
That's possible, I guess we'll have to wait and see. I'd be quite surprised if MS suddenly manages to reinvent the wheel and make the perfect hybrid, but I guess the sun even shines on a dog's ass some days.
Creston
Beamer wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 16:20:
Our company isn't alone - this has become extremely common in larger corporations.
Surface Pro, being a full-fledged laptop in a smaller form factor, can change this. Hopefully the stylus issue is resolved, but more importantly they'll have access to the software they need. They'll be able to hook a mouse and keyboard up to it. It will be the only thing they'll need to travel. Rather than simply having a device to augment their laptop in meetings they'll actually have their laptop in meetings (something not really viable right now as you're then hiding behind a laptop.)
Will this work out? Who knows? We haven't seen anything but potential yet, but that potential is certainly far above what iPads are doing right now.
Beamer wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 16:20:Creston wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 16:05:Beamer wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 15:26:
Actually, tablets are the reason that corporations have to move to Windows 8. By this point most executives are carrying around tablets, but they can't do most of what they need to on them.
Behold: Surface Pro.
Do you even WORK in a corporation? Most corporations have their execs try out tablets, and get rid of them again in a few weeks because they can't get any serious work done on them.
Every single one of our execs wanted an iPad 2. Every single one of our execs has turned it back in, save one (who just gives it to his kid anyway) and have gone back to laptops.
Nobody who does any serious amount of work can get said work done on a tablet. A tablet is a toy, not a device to work 10 hours a day on.
CrestonBeamer wrote on Apr 24, 2012, 07:39:
iPads aren't quite there yet, to me actually really far, but I've never once met a person that thinks it can replace a computer. Not in real life. I've only met people that think they can be used for media consumption (which is how I use mine) or note taking (which is how everyone in my office tries to use theirs, though most people make it no more than two weeks before giving up.)
And that's me being more polite. The week before the iPad came out my boss at the time got his hands on one. He described it to me as the best note-taking device in the world. He then complained about it not having an arrow-up key, complained about a few other things, then said it needed an external keyboard. Best note-taking device my ass.
Much more recently, every damn exec at my current job bought an iPad some time in 2011. You'd see the stupid thing at every meeting the first week, a few meetings the second week, then never again.
But a funny thing happened - the company started giving them to executives. And it started "going green," meaning no more paper handouts at meetings. Execs were forced to bring their now-free ipads to meetings to read along with the discussion materials. And they started finding more uses for them. After a few weeks of being forced they were dependent. Our company isn't alone - this has become extremely common in larger corporations.
The thing is - iPads suck at this. You can't mark up the document you're following along with. You can barely even take notes, especially not without a stylus.
Surface Pro, being a full-fledged laptop in a smaller form factor, can change this. Hopefully the stylus issue is resolved, but more importantly they'll have access to the software they need. They'll be able to hook a mouse and keyboard up to it. It will be the only thing they'll need to travel. Rather than simply having a device to augment their laptop in meetings they'll actually have their laptop in meetings (something not really viable right now as you're then hiding behind a laptop.)
Will this work out? Who knows? We haven't seen anything but potential yet, but that potential is certainly far above what iPads are doing right now.
Creston wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 16:05:Beamer wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 15:26:
Actually, tablets are the reason that corporations have to move to Windows 8. By this point most executives are carrying around tablets, but they can't do most of what they need to on them.
Behold: Surface Pro.
Do you even WORK in a corporation? Most corporations have their execs try out tablets, and get rid of them again in a few weeks because they can't get any serious work done on them.
Every single one of our execs wanted an iPad 2. Every single one of our execs has turned it back in, save one (who just gives it to his kid anyway) and have gone back to laptops.
Nobody who does any serious amount of work can get said work done on a tablet. A tablet is a toy, not a device to work 10 hours a day on.
Creston
Beamer wrote on Apr 24, 2012, 07:39:
iPads aren't quite there yet, to me actually really far, but I've never once met a person that thinks it can replace a computer. Not in real life. I've only met people that think they can be used for media consumption (which is how I use mine) or note taking (which is how everyone in my office tries to use theirs, though most people make it no more than two weeks before giving up.)
ASeven wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 14:02:You are missing something. Those same corps will end up with a ton of win 8 licenses from buying computers. Most of corp VL from MS are "upgrade" ones that require an existing full license, i.e. the win 8 one that came with the computer. Also, most of the time when you get VL from MS its for the current version of windows (which will be win 8), but they give you downgrade rights and old version keys. So they will get most of the corp sales regardless, even if the corp adoption rate is low.
Corporations, the biggest Windows customer share, have absolutely NO reason to move to Win8. No reason whatsoever. Who cares if reviews and blind to reality analysts think? Sales are what matter.
Beamer wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 15:26:
Actually, tablets are the reason that corporations have to move to Windows 8. By this point most executives are carrying around tablets, but they can't do most of what they need to on them.
Behold: Surface Pro.
ASeven wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 15:56:Yes but thats not all that relevant. MS is doing this since they think they can.
Win8 has to prove it can do a lot more and a lot better than both those OSs and I doubt pretty much it can.
Beamer wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 15:26:
Actually, tablets are the reason that corporations have to move to Windows 8. By this point most executives are carrying around tablets, but they can't do most of what they need to on them.
Behold: Surface Pro.
DangerDog wrote on Sep 27, 2012, 15:27:
But it's okay to put minecraft on closed console platforms like xbox360?
I support his decision but I'm not going to pat him on the back just yet.