eRe4s3r wrote on Sep 25, 2012, 02:06:
You should have waited till lvl 50

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=98761326

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=98761286

xXBatmanXx wrote on Sep 25, 2012, 01:52:
Waited until the level progression slowed a bit to use a gold key.
Opened it and got 2 sniper rifles. One was ok, but check this Pink out at level 12/13! Unreal....has anyone else got 2 before?

HOLY CRAP!
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=98895386

And a nice bonus...
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=98895334

PHJF wrote on Sep 24, 2012, 15:01:
And can we please stop saying "melee"? This is a shooter. Its main selling point is the bazillion guns. It takes a special kind of sad to go around meleeing enemies in Borderlands

- Loot drops so far have been terrifyingly underwhelming. I started off really nice, found some awesome stuff (including a purple at level 7!) The last eight levels or so, I've found exactly JACK SHIT except for one handgun which I'm solely using to kill Crystalisks. Every other weapon I'm using, I got from Moxxi's. I'm killing bosses, green drops. Killing side mission bosses, green drops. Killing badasses three levels higher than me, white drops. Open a spectacular looking chest, green shit.

True. Doesn't bother me that much, makes it easy to pick them up and play. I think the reason a lot of people were saying zer0 sucked is because they had no clue how to play him.

Verno wrote on Sep 24, 2012, 08:41:

Anyways we've all talked about whats good in BL2, now its BL2 complaint time:

- less vehicle use due to map design, I suspect this has a lot to do with console specs too.

- Frequently getting hung up on pieces of the environment

- "New" classes needed more unique design, 2 of them are very familiar and all of them share elements from the first game

- Vendors sell worthless garbage the vast majority of the time

- Comically bad story. It has funny moments and Handsome Jack being a good villain is really the thing that keeps it from being a train wreck. Their decision to shoehorn the first games story and characters in just hurt it here I think.

- Time padding in mission design (getting a sidequest that takes you back to an area where you just were is a frequent occurrence)

- Uneven difficulty

I'm not talking about what you choose to do, I'm talking about what the impact on gameplay is. If you played the exact same way you're playing as an Assassin with the Gunzerker or Commando, your gameplay wouldn't be substantially affected. That's because, despite the fact the Assassin gets numerous sniper rifle bonuses, at the end of the day they are primarily passive bonuses, and mainly come down to doing 500 damage with a hit instead of 450 (using arbitrary numbers).

The main difference in gameplay would come down to the active skill each class has, and they do help differentiate, but not as much as could be accomplished if there were more active skills.

Bhruic wrote on Sep 24, 2012, 10:02:

Jerykk wrote on Sep 24, 2012, 06:06:
An active skill is one that requires a button press to activate. Death Blossom requires a button press to activate (as does Deception and that melee dash move). That makes them active skills.

Sure, and a skill that requires you to be using another skill in order for it to activate is not a separate skill. We could go round and round on this all day.

Jerykk wrote on Sep 24, 2012, 06:06:
An active skill is one that requires a button press to activate. Death Blossom requires a button press to activate (as does Deception and that melee dash move). That makes them active skills.

As for the distinction between classes, this is a shooter. Ultimately, everything you do revolves around shooting and killing stuff. There are no arbitrary class restrictions on weapons, which I'm happy for. Instead, certain classes are naturally better at using certain weapons, which means that you tend to use those weapons when playing those classes. As an Assassin, I primarily use sniper rifles and melee because the skill trees (and passive skills therein) make me particularly potent with them. I also focus on weapons with high burst damage so I can maximize the amount of damage I do with crits. If I were playing a Gunzerker or Commando, I would focus more on DPS weapons and skills. If I really wanted to, I could focus on using melee and sniper rifles but I wouldn't be nearly as effective as the Assassin.

It sounds like you just want arbitrary class restrictions on the weapons. Personally, I think that's the laziest way to make classes feel distinct.

Armengar wrote on Sep 24, 2012, 08:15:
yeah, a chariot racing simulator could actually be decent. Like a Ben Hur simulation.

Kickstarter!

The Half Elf wrote on Sep 24, 2012, 03:19:
Problem is you have to put 5 points in that skill to get to the Double cannon on the Turret Tree.

Draugr wrote on Sep 24, 2012, 01:02:
People buying FTL will not be disappointed.

http://i.imgur.com/ylW2S.jpg

Bhruic wrote on Sep 24, 2012, 01:09:

Jerykk wrote on Sep 23, 2012, 22:28:
Having Deception as a prerequisite doesn't make Death Blossom any less of an active skill.

It's not really a separate active skill. You can't ever use Death Blossom without using Deception. So yeah, it does make it less of an active skill overall.

I'm not really sure why people feel that passive skills are somehow less significant than active skills anyway. They still allow you to specialize your playstyle, which is the whole point of skill trees to begin with. If you're playing as an Assassin and you like sniping, there's a specific skill tree that makes you the most effective at sniping. If you prefer melee, there's a skill tree for that. If you want something in between, there's a skill tree for that too. You can't be the best at everything so the skill tree serves its purpose.

Because passive skills are just that - passive. "Increase gun damage by 4%". That doesn't actually do anything. It doesn't change the way you play. Yes, some of the passive skills reward certain types of behaviour, but they don't (tend to) give you tactical options. Or, at least, not as much as active skills do. The other thing active skills do is allow you to differentiate between the characters. The Assassin gets more passive bonuses to sniping, but beyond some extra damage, there's no significant gameplay difference between playing the Assassin as a sniper, or playing the Siren as a sniper. That's where active skills can come in, they can help differentiate between each character in ways that passive skills don't.

Right now, in order to try and make my different characer playthroughs feel "different", I'm forced to try and use different weapons for each one, which isn't necessarily productive when you weapon drops are random.

Draugr wrote on Sep 24, 2012, 01:02:
People buying FTL will not be disappointed.

http://i.imgur.com/ylW2S.jpg

HorrorScope wrote on Sep 23, 2012, 13:32:

UConnBBall wrote on Sep 23, 2012, 12:47:
FTL is the perfect little indie strategy game. Do yourself a favor and pick it up ASAP!!!

How do you rate it vs Dungeons of Dredmor?