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Kickstarter Policy Changes

There's a new update on the Kickstarter Blog titled "Kickstarter Is Not a Store," which follows that hopefully obvious point by outlining some policy changes intended to make this distinction more apparent when viewing listings on the fundraising site (thanks nin). This includes the requirement that projects list "risks and challenges" they face and that hardware projects cease using simulations and renderings. Of these changes, they say: "We hope these updates reinforce that Kickstarter isn't a traditional retail experience and underline the uniqueness of Kickstarter."

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20. Re: Kickstarter Policy Changes Sep 22, 2012, 06:01 Julio
 
Sports games sadly have minimal upgrades each year. The GM modes in particular are poorly done, and have moron level AI. I wish it were otherwise.

For all I know, the developers listed did the player ratings for each of these games. I also wouldn't want to be associated with the mess that was EA MMA.
 
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19. Re: Kickstarter Policy Changes Sep 22, 2012, 01:17 RollinThundr
 
Cutter wrote on Sep 21, 2012, 21:40:
They're not even A titles, nevermind triple A. They bang them off each year with a few months work. Really they're generally nothing more than roster changes and some cosmetic tweaks here and there. And like I said, I worked for EA for 2 years so yeah I think I know from what I speak and yeah I have a right to bash them. And given the disdain with which they treat their staff and customers everyone else has the right to take shots at them too.

The NHL sku in particular this gen of consoles has hardly been a yearly roster update. Regardless of your past employment at EA, talking out of one's ass is still talking out of one's ass.

Every publisher does the same damn thing, it's just the popular thing to hate EA for the sake of it.
 
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18. Re: Kickstarter Policy Changes Sep 21, 2012, 23:24 John
 
ELITE wrote on Sep 21, 2012, 18:34:
I don't know - it's just me maybe - but the original idea of kickstarter has turned into "preorders" and "large donations" to established properties...
That may be true in some cases but a lot of cool products or games may never have made it without Kickstarter.
 
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17. Re: Kickstarter Policy Changes Sep 21, 2012, 21:54 killer_roach
 
Cutter wrote on Sep 21, 2012, 21:40:
They're not even A titles, nevermind triple A. They bang them off each year with a few months work. Really they're generally nothing more than roster changes and some cosmetic tweaks here and there. And like I said, I worked for EA for 2 years so yeah I think I know from what I speak and yeah I have a right to bash them. And given the disdain with which they treat their staff and customers everyone else has the right to take shots at them too.

Yet you come off sounding like a vindictive person with a grudge rather than the voice of experience.

EA might do a lot of things weird and/or wrong, but to say that their sports titles aren't AAA titles... that's ludicrous. (If they're not A titles, then what are 2K's sports titles? D? F?)
 
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16. Re: Kickstarter Policy Changes Sep 21, 2012, 21:40 Cutter
 
They're not even A titles, nevermind triple A. They bang them off each year with a few months work. Really they're generally nothing more than roster changes and some cosmetic tweaks here and there. And like I said, I worked for EA for 2 years so yeah I think I know from what I speak and yeah I have a right to bash them. And given the disdain with which they treat their staff and customers everyone else has the right to take shots at them too.
 
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15. Re: Kickstarter Policy Changes Sep 21, 2012, 19:57 RollinThundr
 
Cutter wrote on Sep 21, 2012, 19:50:
JaZeeL wrote on Sep 21, 2012, 17:01:
Cutter wrote on Sep 21, 2012, 15:18:
John wrote on Sep 21, 2012, 11:16:
Another game on Kickstarter that looks promising is Blackspace.

They worked for EA sports and have shipped tons of AAA games and they can't even list one of them? Right. Pass.

Working together for the past 7 years, Jerry Phaneuf and Volga Aksoy have contributed to award-winning AAA games, including EA Sports MMA, Madden NFL Franchises, NASCAR Franchises, Tiger Woods PGA Tour franchises, and more. With their combined holistic knowledge and high-level experience, they bring the best in art and design, software engineering, and project management.

???

Since when are EA sports games triple A titles? And they don't mention what capacity. In short, they're being very intentionally vague which is never a good sign. Hell, I worked for EA on EA sports games.
NHL Madden and Fifa are certainly AAA titles from visuals to online features and amount of play modes. NHL in particular has improved yearly this gen since the 07 edition, NHL 13 not only has a brand new skating engine and AI logic, but a new Online GM mode as well.

Now granted I realize not only does everyone love to bash EA because they're EA and alot of it is justified, I've done my share as well. And obviously BN is primarily made up of PC elitists rather than gamers who don't give a shit about platform but at the least give credit where it's due.
 
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14. Re: Kickstarter Policy Changes Sep 21, 2012, 19:50 Cutter
 
JaZeeL wrote on Sep 21, 2012, 17:01:
Cutter wrote on Sep 21, 2012, 15:18:
John wrote on Sep 21, 2012, 11:16:
Another game on Kickstarter that looks promising is Blackspace.

They worked for EA sports and have shipped tons of AAA games and they can't even list one of them? Right. Pass.

Working together for the past 7 years, Jerry Phaneuf and Volga Aksoy have contributed to award-winning AAA games, including EA Sports MMA, Madden NFL Franchises, NASCAR Franchises, Tiger Woods PGA Tour franchises, and more. With their combined holistic knowledge and high-level experience, they bring the best in art and design, software engineering, and project management.

???

Since when are EA sports games triple A titles? And they don't mention what capacity. In short, they're being very intentionally vague which is never a good sign. Hell, I worked for EA on EA sports games.
 
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13. Re: Kickstarter Policy Changes Sep 21, 2012, 18:34 ELITE
 
You know I think my real issue is that Kickstarter let it be on there for the sake of them (kickstarter) making money - and Penny Arcade chose to present it in away that I feel wasn't in the guidelines of what kickstarter would in force on anyone else.

You're right saying I don't support kickstarter is saying I'm denying those projects that deserve support - but I don't like that kickstarter made a bias approval that appeared to clearly fall outside of their guidelines.

And now I see we're making these changes - yet I'm sure there will be bias projects going outside of this with their approval - shouldn't all projects posted follow the guidelines? Shouldn't all projects have equal footing?

I don't know - it's just me maybe - but the original idea of kickstarter has turned into "preorders" and "large donations" to established properties...


 
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12. Re: Kickstarter Policy Changes Sep 21, 2012, 17:01 JaZeeL
 
Cutter wrote on Sep 21, 2012, 15:18:
John wrote on Sep 21, 2012, 11:16:
Another game on Kickstarter that looks promising is Blackspace.

They worked for EA sports and have shipped tons of AAA games and they can't even list one of them? Right. Pass.

Working together for the past 7 years, Jerry Phaneuf and Volga Aksoy have contributed to award-winning AAA games, including EA Sports MMA, Madden NFL Franchises, NASCAR Franchises, Tiger Woods PGA Tour franchises, and more. With their combined holistic knowledge and high-level experience, they bring the best in art and design, software engineering, and project management.

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11. Re: Kickstarter Policy Changes Sep 21, 2012, 16:02 Jivaro
 
Creston wrote on Sep 21, 2012, 15:48:
ELITE wrote on Sep 21, 2012, 15:40:
I stopped supporting kickstarter when the let penny arcade abuse it.

How was it abused? Penny Arcade was completely above-board on what people were buying. Nobody was deceived into believing they were getting something else.

Whether you believe something like that BELONGS on Kickstarter is a different argument. If you don't believe it should be on there, don't fund it.

I'm somewhat in the middle on whether it belonged or not, I just wish the PA guys had chosen to support Kick it Forward. (which, btw, almost nobody supports...)

Creston

but but but....(whiny voice)Creston(/whiny voice)....life is so much simpler when we can just make black and white assumptions about things and stop actually thinking them through to the 100 shades of grey that everything really is. Stop fucking complicating things with details and logic.

Next you are going to tell me that if I don't like MMOs I shouldn't buy them. (stomps off to room and pouts)
 
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10. Re: Kickstarter Policy Changes Sep 21, 2012, 15:48 Creston
 
ELITE wrote on Sep 21, 2012, 15:40:
I stopped supporting kickstarter when the let penny arcade abuse it.

How was it abused? Penny Arcade was completely above-board on what people were buying. Nobody was deceived into believing they were getting something else.

Whether you believe something like that BELONGS on Kickstarter is a different argument. If you don't believe it should be on there, don't fund it.

I'm somewhat in the middle on whether it belonged or not, I just wish the PA guys had chosen to support Kick it Forward. (which, btw, almost nobody supports...)

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9. Re: Kickstarter Policy Changes Sep 21, 2012, 15:44 nin
 
ELITE wrote on Sep 21, 2012, 15:40:
I stopped supporting kickstarter when the let penny arcade abuse it.

I wouldn't let one project you don't agree with (and I didn't like it, either) stop you from supporting others you like.

 
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8. Re: Kickstarter Policy Changes Sep 21, 2012, 15:40 ELITE
 
I stopped supporting kickstarter when the let penny arcade abuse it.
 
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7. Re: Kickstarter Policy Changes Sep 21, 2012, 15:18 Cutter
 
John wrote on Sep 21, 2012, 11:16:
Another game on Kickstarter that looks promising is Blackspace.

They worked for EA sports and have shipped tons of AAA games and they can't even list one of them? Right. Pass.
 
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6. Re: Kickstarter Policy Changes Sep 21, 2012, 12:20 Mordecai Walfish
 
I hope they protect the integrity of what they are trying to achieve, as recent reports about publishers trying to work their shadowy magic to get kickstarter funds are a bit disheartening.

I know that I, for one, would instantly boycott purchasing games from any large publisher who would try pulling BS like this. (..as if they don't give me enough reasons already to do so)



Edit: Holy crap Blackspace looks like a really cool idea! Definitely getting in on that one as well. Seems like it should be part of a much larger game though, but a cool idea nonetheless.

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5. Re: Kickstarter Policy Changes Sep 21, 2012, 11:41 Tumbler
 
John wrote on Sep 21, 2012, 11:16:
Another game on Kickstarter that looks promising is Blackspace.

Thanx for the heads up! In for $15.
 
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4. Re: Kickstarter Policy Changes Sep 21, 2012, 11:19 nin
 
John wrote on Sep 21, 2012, 11:16:
Speaking of Kickstarter, Project Eternity is about to hit it's $1.8 million tier! I like what I hear in their updates about the game and really hope they get past $2.2 million because it adds more to the game world.

Another game on Kickstarter that looks promising is Blackspace.


At this point, I'd be a little surprised if they don't hit 2.2. They still have 25 more days, and the rush at the end is almost always frantic.

 
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3. Re: Kickstarter Policy Changes Sep 21, 2012, 11:16 John
 
Speaking of Kickstarter, Project Eternity is about to hit it's $1.8 million tier! I like what I hear in their updates about the game and really hope they get past $2.2 million because it adds more to the game world.

Another game on Kickstarter that looks promising is Blackspace.
 
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2. Re: Kickstarter Policy Changes Sep 21, 2012, 11:13 nin
 

If nothing else, it should hopefully push people to talk about their qualifications and past accomplishments relative to what they're asking for. And those that don't ("I always wanted to make a game!") will stand out.


 
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1. Re: Kickstarter Policy Changes Sep 21, 2012, 11:07 Bet
 
So if they ever applied this to game Kickstarters (which they don't), the 'risks and challenges' section is supposed to be the equivalent of Gamasutra's Postmortems of games (What went Right/What went Wrong). If we're being accurate anyway. Now Kickstarter game designers will need a psychic on their team to provide the clairvoyance necessary!

Edit: Clarification
 
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