Quboid wrote on Sep 21, 2012, 08:17:

space captain wrote on Sep 20, 2012, 21:47:

Quboid wrote on Sep 20, 2012, 20:58:

space captain wrote on Sep 20, 2012, 20:15:
yeh, more predictions from the pachter-wannabe "oracles", huh

it may be a better idea to talk to people who are actually experienced in many instances of a certain activity... rather than listen to hypothetical bullshit from spectators and armchair heroes that only have their daydreams and fantasies to rely on

Honestly, if you want to troll, you will have to be much more coherent. I genuinely don't know what you're talking about; I only get the gist enough to know you're attempting to insult ... someone. Destructoid? KickStarter? Blue? Us?

well honestly you have no fucking clue what im doing, and i dont have the desire to explain it to you, even if you were able to understand, which you arent

but the post below was directed at my main man Julio.. and anyone else who thinks their armchair "XP" entitles them to speak as if they are experts on any given topic... so.. if the shoe fits, then wear it SON

im having fun posting whatever i please, just like you

so honestly, dont worry about what im doing - worry about what you are doing.. unless you want another big serving of "fuck off".. and i cant blame you if you do, since im just so irresistible to interact with

Daaaaamn, I got told!

(I think.)

space captain wrote on Sep 20, 2012, 21:47:

Quboid wrote on Sep 20, 2012, 20:58:

space captain wrote on Sep 20, 2012, 20:15:
yeh, more predictions from the pachter-wannabe "oracles", huh

it may be a better idea to talk to people who are actually experienced in many instances of a certain activity... rather than listen to hypothetical bullshit from spectators and armchair heroes that only have their daydreams and fantasies to rely on

Honestly, if you want to troll, you will have to be much more coherent. I genuinely don't know what you're talking about; I only get the gist enough to know you're attempting to insult ... someone. Destructoid? KickStarter? Blue? Us?

well honestly you have no fucking clue what im doing, and i dont have the desire to explain it to you, even if you were able to understand, which you arent

but the post below was directed at my main man Julio.. and anyone else who thinks their armchair "XP" entitles them to speak as if they are experts on any given topic... so.. if the shoe fits, then wear it SON

im having fun posting whatever i please, just like you

so honestly, dont worry about what im doing - worry about what you are doing.. unless you want another big serving of "fuck off".. and i cant blame you if you do, since im just so irresistible to interact with

mag wrote on Sep 21, 2012, 01:25:
What?

space captain wrote on Sep 20, 2012, 21:47:
Stuff

Quboid wrote on Sep 20, 2012, 20:58:

space captain wrote on Sep 20, 2012, 20:15:
yeh, more predictions from the pachter-wannabe "oracles", huh

it may be a better idea to talk to people who are actually experienced in many instances of a certain activity... rather than listen to hypothetical bullshit from spectators and armchair heroes that only have their daydreams and fantasies to rely on

Honestly, if you want to troll, you will have to be much more coherent. I genuinely don't know what you're talking about; I only get the gist enough to know you're attempting to insult ... someone. Destructoid? KickStarter? Blue? Us?

space captain wrote on Sep 20, 2012, 20:15:
yeh, more predictions from the pachter-wannabe "oracles", huh

it may be a better idea to talk to people who are actually experienced in many instances of a certain activity... rather than listen to hypothetical bullshit from spectators and armchair heroes that only have their daydreams and fantasies to rely on

Julio wrote on Sep 20, 2012, 17:32:
A developer using Kickstarter can get away with this once, then they're not going to get crowd funded nearly as much. Why give up their credibility for a one-time publisher deal.

jdreyer wrote on Sep 20, 2012, 16:09:
If some publisher goes to a dev, "Pitch your game on KS, and if you make $1m, we'll kick in the $4m more you need to finish it, but then we get to keep it." I think some devs might do that, since that's food on the table. And that would happen only between the very top people, so could the rank and file being totally in the dark about it.

Flatline wrote on Sep 20, 2012, 13:03:

eRe4s3r wrote on Sep 20, 2012, 12:37:
Reread the news again

I read it like 8 times and it was kind of foggy.

It looked like Publisher was telling Dev to start a kickstarter using Dev's name, gather the money up, make a game, then in exchange for publishing/advertising, Publisher gets to keep the IP and pays royalties to the dev.

Which sounds about as appealing as a shit sandwich.

Quboid wrote on Sep 20, 2012, 15:16:

Bhruic wrote on Sep 20, 2012, 14:21:
I've read that a bunch of times and I still can't figure out exactly what the publishers are offering. Are they basically offering developers the option to "double dip"? Ie, they do a kickstarter, get financed from that, but then the publisher pays to make the game anyway?

I think it's a very poorly written article and the claim of "free" has to be wrong, almost by definition - if the publisher doesn't spend any money, why involve them at all? Distribution and marketing expertise perhaps? I can't believe that they could expect to own the brand if that's all they bring. I would guess that a large part of the budget would still be needed from the publisher.

eRe4s3r wrote on Sep 20, 2012, 11:54:
"why should we put ourselves under your dictatorship if we could try our luck freelancing a game from start to finish"...

Ruffiana wrote on Sep 20, 2012, 14:22:
Apart from the 'keeping the brand' part, what's the big deal? Kickstarting money won't publish, market, distribute, and do all of the behind the scenes wheeling and dealing to get a boxed game on the shelf of Walmarts and GameStops of the world. There's still unarguably a market for boxed games. There's a market, money to be made, and for all of the shitty things that publishers have done to the game industry, knowing how to make money with a complete game ready to go into a box and be sold is not one of the problems.

Asking for a portion of the profits from those sales isn't unreasonable. It's still a huge investment of time and resources to publish a finished game.

Demanding onwership of the IP to publish a game you haven't paid to develop is pretty greedy. That's an entrenched mindset from decades of an established business model where the publisher is fronting and advance so a game can be made in the first place.

Stupidly short-sighted, greedy, slow to adapt...but not malicously evil.

Bhruic wrote on Sep 20, 2012, 14:21:
I've read that a bunch of times and I still can't figure out exactly what the publishers are offering. Are they basically offering developers the option to "double dip"? Ie, they do a kickstarter, get financed from that, but then the publisher pays to make the game anyway?

nin wrote on Sep 20, 2012, 15:05:

There's still unarguably a market for boxed games.

I can't tell you the last boxed game I bought. It's literally been years.

There's still unarguably a market for boxed games.

Ruffiana wrote on Sep 20, 2012, 14:22:
Apart from the 'keeping the brand' part, what's the big deal? Kickstarting money won't publish, market, distribute, and do all of the behind the scenes wheeling and dealing to get a boxed game on the shelf of Walmarts and GameStops of the world. There's still unarguably a market for boxed games. Asking for a portion of the profits from those sales isn't unreasonable.

Demanding onwership of the IP to publish a game you haven't paid to develop is pretty greedy.