PHJF wrote on Sep 12, 2012, 17:34:
Yeah the problem with F2P games is they are free for a reason (that being they aren't good enough to get people to buy them). I've tried a lot of them anyways (hey it's free and my time is worthless) and at least PoE manages to be really unobtrusive about it. F2P games love to bombard you with ads and shiny buttons urging you to spend money.

PHJF wrote on Sep 12, 2012, 17:34:

I was being facetious - the design requirements of the F2P model obviously preclude making the game singleplayer-friendly. My statement was supposed to be the equivalent of "I'll embrace the F2P model when hell freezes over".

Yeah the problem with F2P games is they are free for a reason (that being they aren't good enough to get people to buy them). I've tried a lot of them anyways (hey it's free and my time is worthless) and at least PoE manages to be really unobtrusive about it. F2P games love to bombard you with ads and shiny buttons urging you to spend money. But hey, this is as people keep stating still a beta so maybe they just haven't gotten to that yet.

Really the only F2P I've tried which can stand up to boxed games is Blacklight, but they can get a little overzealous on the P2Win front at times.

eunichron wrote on Sep 12, 2012, 17:00:

Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Sep 12, 2012, 00:48:
Methinks many people fail to understand the point of a closed beta. Baffling.

Nice canned response.

I know full well the point of a closed beta, as I have been a part of many in the past, and am currently participating in several, including PoE. Generally one can be pretty sure that by the time a game enters beta the core game mechanics are locked in with little chance of changing. The problem I have with PoE, as well as TL, is that the "new" features they have added are nothing but fluff. I do like PoE's passive "skill" web, I do like their ability gem system, and I like what they're doing with their economy. However, on that note, I thought the abilities were trite and uninteresting, which makes the combat boring and shallow. These are core game mechanics that Grinding Gear has decided they want their game to be centered on, they will not change, and in that regard I can be reasonably certain that the game will be just as boring an uninteresting post-launch as it is right now. That's perfectly fine, Grinding Gear decided they wanted to make a Diablo 2 clone, and that's what they did. More power to them. I also sincerely hope they are successful as a new developer. I just don't care to be a part of it.

I was being facetious - the design requirements of the F2P model obviously preclude making the game singleplayer-friendly. My statement was supposed to be the equivalent of "I'll embrace the F2P model when hell freezes over".

Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Sep 12, 2012, 00:48:
Methinks many people fail to understand the point of a closed beta. Baffling.

PHJF wrote on Sep 12, 2012, 12:09:

Until someone figures out how to make a F2P singleplayer game where I am not being pitched to, sold to, or forced to grind for shit so I get frustrated and break out the wallet I am going to continue to despise F2P games. That's just me though - it's a personal pet peeve.

F2P is for online, service-type games where players are going to keep coming back and the developers hope to (eventually) snag some money from them. F2P and singleplayer would be the dumbest idea ever outside of some endlessly replayable game like Civilization or Sim City.

Until someone figures out how to make a F2P singleplayer game where I am not being pitched to, sold to, or forced to grind for shit so I get frustrated and break out the wallet I am going to continue to despise F2P games. That's just me though - it's a personal pet peeve.

Prez wrote on Sep 12, 2012, 04:19:

...besides the cash shop button.

And that's enough for me to despise it. I have tried many F2P games, and in every single one the items, loot, drops, upgrades, unlocks, etc. feel arbitrarily limited to encourage use of the cash shop. Maybe it's painting with too broad a brush, but generally if a game has a cash shop or auction house I'm not going to bother with it. I have hated every single game that I have played that has one, in all different genres (even the supposedly good ones like Tribes). I absolutely loathe the intrusion of such things as cash shops and auction houses in my game world. They weaken and devalue every game they are included in for me, often to the point of ruining it completely. Until someone figures out how to make a F2P singleplayer game where I am not being pitched to, sold to, or forced to grind for shit so I get frustrated and break out the wallet I am going to continue to despise F2P games. That's just me though - it's a personal pet peeve.

...besides the cash shop button.

eunichron wrote on Sep 11, 2012, 22:51:

xXBatmanXx wrote on Sep 11, 2012, 22:18:

WyldKat wrote on Sep 11, 2012, 17:43:
PoE bored the crap out of me after awhile. All the classes played more or less the same. The animations were bad, especially kill/death animations (no physics, just the same canned death anims). The trading system, while I thought I liked it at first, quickly became frustrating. The story was forgettable too but mostly it was the combat that turned me off. Genderlocked characters were another turn off, along with bad (i.e. no) customization. No different hairs, armor dyes, nothing.

Let me guess. You are an under 30 gamer.

I'm a 30 year old gamer and I think the game is boring as shit.

I don't want Diablo 2.5, I had enough of Diablo 10 years ago. I want something new. Diablo 3 wasn't it either, it was a good effort, it just missed the mark (by a wide margin). At this point my only hope for ARPGs is Grim Dawn. At least those guys have Titan Quest under their belt, which is easily the best post-Diablo 2 ARPG.

eunichron wrote on Sep 11, 2012, 22:51:

xXBatmanXx wrote on Sep 11, 2012, 22:18:

WyldKat wrote on Sep 11, 2012, 17:43:
PoE bored the crap out of me after awhile. All the classes played more or less the same. The animations were bad, especially kill/death animations (no physics, just the same canned death anims). The trading system, while I thought I liked it at first, quickly became frustrating. The story was forgettable too but mostly it was the combat that turned me off. Genderlocked characters were another turn off, along with bad (i.e. no) customization. No different hairs, armor dyes, nothing.

Let me guess. You are an under 30 gamer.

I'm a 30 year old gamer and I think the game is boring as shit.

I don't want Diablo 2.5, I had enough of Diablo 10 years ago. I want something new. Diablo 3 wasn't it either, it was a good effort, it just missed the mark (by a wide margin). At this point my only hope for ARPGs is Grim Dawn. At least those guys have Titan Quest under their belt, which is easily the best post-Diablo 2 ARPG.

xXBatmanXx wrote on Sep 11, 2012, 22:18:

WyldKat wrote on Sep 11, 2012, 17:43:
PoE bored the crap out of me after awhile. All the classes played more or less the same. The animations were bad, especially kill/death animations (no physics, just the same canned death anims). The trading system, while I thought I liked it at first, quickly became frustrating. The story was forgettable too but mostly it was the combat that turned me off. Genderlocked characters were another turn off, along with bad (i.e. no) customization. No different hairs, armor dyes, nothing.

Let me guess. You are an under 30 gamer.

WyldKat wrote on Sep 11, 2012, 17:43:
PoE bored the crap out of me after awhile. All the classes played more or less the same. The animations were bad, especially kill/death animations (no physics, just the same canned death anims). The trading system, while I thought I liked it at first, quickly became frustrating. The story was forgettable too but mostly it was the combat that turned me off. Genderlocked characters were another turn off, along with bad (i.e. no) customization. No different hairs, armor dyes, nothing.

WyldKat wrote on Sep 11, 2012, 17:43:
PoE bored the crap out of me after awhile. All the classes played more or less the same. The animations were bad, especially kill/death animations (no physics, just the same canned death anims). The trading system, while I thought I liked it at first, quickly became frustrating. The story was forgettable too but mostly it was the combat that turned me off. Genderlocked characters were another turn off, along with bad (i.e. no) customization. No different hairs, armor dyes, nothing.

Prez wrote on Sep 11, 2012, 16:10:
I love ARPG's but I despise F2P games. What do I do now??