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15. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 28, 2012, 09:16 Enahs
 
nin wrote on Aug 27, 2012, 19:32:
I'm pretty sure nin will be raring everything with encryption, no matter what it is.


Haven't you seen any TV shows? All it takes is a montage to get past encryption.
 
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14. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 27, 2012, 19:37 Burrito of Peace
 
nin wrote on Aug 27, 2012, 19:32:
I'm pretty sure nin will be raring everything with encryption, no matter what it is.

No doubt. But, still, how many average users are going to do that?
 
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13. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 27, 2012, 19:32 nin
 

I'm pretty sure nin will be raring everything with encryption, no matter what it is.

 
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12. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 27, 2012, 19:29 Burrito of Peace
 
Fibrocyte wrote on Aug 27, 2012, 17:54:
For vital documents (tax info, payroll info, offer letters, etc) I can understand your reluctance so for those things you just find a alternative solution.

I store nothing on devices I do not directly control. However, look upthread:

nin wrote on Aug 27, 2012, 15:24:

Even if I dump in...forms (taxes etc), pictures...

I'm pretty sure nin isn't stupid and those forms aren't filled out. However, he's the exception, not the rule. If you bet that the majority of users of public services are mouthbreathing morons who can't multiply 3 by 9 to get 27, then you're at a good start in understanding just how broad the surface area is for attack vectors. They will dump in pictures of their kids, of personally identifying events or situations plus the information needed to commit identity theft.

Think about it, how many people use the same login/email and password combo for multiple sites? How many stories have we read recently in the news where Forum X gets broken in to and now Yahoo, Twitter, LinkedIn, Facebook and other high profile entities are also compromised? TONS. Even if they're relatively the same story about a single event or small number of events, it's enough of a distribution to hit a demographic much wider than the actual demographic effected.

Then we start seeing sensationalist news articles and reports on television of "CAN A PEDOPHILE PERV YOUR KID WITHOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE? FILM AT 11!!!eleventy!one" or "HACKERS ARE USING YOUR INfO TO RACK UP THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN FRAUDULENT PORN CHARGES!" They always go with a a fearful yet slightly salacious angle because the media knows that in the US marketplace, that shit sells. Fear is currently a better bait than sex. That's really fucking sad and yet we're doing our best to propogate the basis for that fear. Why? All it does is lead to old men in a big white marble building to make stupid decisions in an effort to win their reelection bids.

We're seeing it happen already. Why on earth are we moving to systems where the security to protect them is so nascent that it may as well be wet tissue paper? Sure, I can't break an EC2 cluster...but then it's not my job to do so, either. Were it, you can bet that it would eventually go down because what it stores is worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Real money to people who want to use it in a fraud industry worth hundreds of billions. Further, there's absolutely no recourse available to the consmuer, or punitive damages agaisnt the storage hosting companies, when that data is stolen, compromised and then used illicitly. When it happens to a large corporation that has enough money to pour in to a lawsuit against the cloud providers, that is the only time we're actually going to see if the EULA of "We can act like retarded baboons and you can't sue us" will actually hold weight in court. Until then, your average consumer doesn't have the financial or legal resources to effectively protect themselves from the incompetence and/or malfeasence of a company who has fucked them over by allowing their systems to be compromised.

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11. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 27, 2012, 17:54 Fibrocyte
 
Burrito of Peace wrote on Aug 27, 2012, 15:56:
It could be that I am paranoid but I can't quite bring myself to trust my data, and access to it, to a third party who has unconditional access and control over the storage medium and I don't. That just screams to me of a security breach waiting to happen.

So someone breaches amazon (improbable but not impossible) and they gain access to your movies, mp3s, and so on. Do you really care? Why? Worst case is amazon has to restore from backup. I guarantee they have a solid disaster recovery plan in place.

For vital documents (tax info, payroll info, offer letters, etc) I can understand your reluctance so for those things you just find a alternative solution.
 
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10. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 27, 2012, 16:32 nin
 

I prefer to control the source material, so if a better format/codec/etc comes along, I can switch...

 
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9. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 27, 2012, 16:29 Prez
 
Ah. I sometimes forget not everyone is a digital who're like me.  
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8. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 27, 2012, 16:26 nin
 
I try not to buy mp3s at all (cd or gtfo), but thanks.


 
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7. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 27, 2012, 16:26 Prez
 
Just an FYI, nin, if you buy your mp3's from Amazon they don't count towards your cloud storage gigabyte limit. I love that feature - being a part-time DJ my mp3 collection alone is huge. Pretty awesome sales happen frequently too. I got CCR's "Chronicles" for 4 bucks today. No drm either.  
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6. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 27, 2012, 15:56 Burrito of Peace
 
It could be that I am paranoid but I can't quite bring myself to trust my data, and access to it, to a third party who has unconditional access and control over the storage medium and I don't. That just screams to me of a security breach waiting to happen.  
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5. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 27, 2012, 15:24 nin
 

It looks like it's half the price of dropbox for 100 and 200 gig options...

Even if I dump in mp3, along with ebooks, forms (taxes etc), pictures, etc I would hope to keep it under that (granted, I have a ton of mp3s).

 
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4. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 27, 2012, 14:44 Prez
 
Ha -I've been using Amazon cloud drive for months now. Of course I'm a complete Amazon whore so if they change the font in the small print I tend to notice it pretty quick!  
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3. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 27, 2012, 13:15 nin
 

Amazon sez:
Please note that these storage plans are charged for once and do not have a monthly bill generation on how much you upload or download.

Your paid Amazon Cloud Drive storage plan will automatically renew each year unless you opt out of the auto-renew process.

It's a little weird that they bill for it on S3, but maybe that's more business geared...at any rate, I'll check it out.


 
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2. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 27, 2012, 12:19 Techie714
 
They have that new "Deep Freeze" service too. But honestly I just dont see any need for me personally to use that. With all this cloud access I really dont see myself using any of it. G-Drive, MS Cloud, Amazon, Dropbox, etc. I use Carbonite & I'm happy with that.  
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1. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 27, 2012, 10:02 nin
 
Might have to mess around with the amazon app...I guess my question is: when I was looking at their s3 pricing options, part of how they determined your month bill was how much you uploaded or downloaded to it per month. Yet I don't see any sort of restrictions with the cloud app...

edit: fired off an email to them, we'll see what they say...

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