RailWizard wrote on Aug 21, 2012, 09:36:

Cutter wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 20:51:

SimplyMonk wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 20:06:

Agent.X7 wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 18:16:
What we really need is Futurama's suicide booths. Your choice of quick, slow, painless, agonizing, and the added bonus of someone making a profit off of it. ;P

Oddly enough, after laughing at this statement, I found I was completely OK with the real world implementation of suicide booths. Maybe "OK" is the wrong word. Curious as to what the repercussions of such a venture would be is perhaps more accurate.

EDIT: That brief period of curiosity led, as always, to Wikipedia

With the overpopulation and resource shortages only getting worse every day forget suicide booths soon we'll need Carousel from Logan's Run.

That is such a load of shit. There are no shortages other than intentional ones. It says a lot that you believe this.

Cutter wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 20:51:

SimplyMonk wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 20:06:

Agent.X7 wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 18:16:
What we really need is Futurama's suicide booths. Your choice of quick, slow, painless, agonizing, and the added bonus of someone making a profit off of it. ;P

Oddly enough, after laughing at this statement, I found I was completely OK with the real world implementation of suicide booths. Maybe "OK" is the wrong word. Curious as to what the repercussions of such a venture would be is perhaps more accurate.

EDIT: That brief period of curiosity led, as always, to Wikipedia

With the overpopulation and resource shortages only getting worse every day forget suicide booths soon we'll need Carousel from Logan's Run.

Beamer wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 17:33:
Just because they're in a bad place doesn't excuse them from putting other people in a similar place needlessly.

Cutter wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 20:51:
With the overpopulation and resource shortages only getting worse every day forget suicide booths soon we'll need Carousel from Logan's Run.

SimplyMonk wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 20:06:

Agent.X7 wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 18:16:
What we really need is Futurama's suicide booths. Your choice of quick, slow, painless, agonizing, and the added bonus of someone making a profit off of it. ;P

Oddly enough, after laughing at this statement, I found I was completely OK with the real world implementation of suicide booths. Maybe "OK" is the wrong word. Curious as to what the repercussions of such a venture would be is perhaps more accurate.

EDIT: That brief period of curiosity led, as always, to Wikipedia

Agent.X7 wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 18:16:
What we really need is Futurama's suicide booths. Your choice of quick, slow, painless, agonizing, and the added bonus of someone making a profit off of it. ;P

jdreyer wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 18:00:

Beamer wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 17:33:
But then you have things like this. Or, as mentioned, the train conductor that has to go home at night and think about the guy who jumped in front of him. People have occasionally chosen suicide-by-cop, and think about the counseling the cop needs after that.

Just because they're in a bad place doesn't excuse them from putting other people in a similar place needlessly.

I'm not excusing it. I'm making the point that it's unreasonable to expect suicidal people to behave rationally. I'm sure there are those who do consider it and choose a way that has minimal impact. Then there are those who are wholly consumed with ending their lives as to be unable to think of anything else. And there are even those who intentionally commit suicide in a public and spectacular way BECAUSE of the impact it will have and the news it will generate.

jdreyer wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 18:00:

Beamer wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 17:33:
But then you have things like this. Or, as mentioned, the train conductor that has to go home at night and think about the guy who jumped in front of him. People have occasionally chosen suicide-by-cop, and think about the counseling the cop needs after that.

Just because they're in a bad place doesn't excuse them from putting other people in a similar place needlessly.

I'm not excusing it. I'm making the point that it's unreasonable to expect suicidal people to behave rationally. I'm sure there are those who do consider it and choose a way that has minimal impact. Then there are those who are wholly consumed with ending their lives as to be unable to think of anything else. And there are even those who intentionally commit suicide in a public and spectacular way BECAUSE of the impact it will have and the news it will generate.

Beamer wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 17:33:
But then you have things like this. Or, as mentioned, the train conductor that has to go home at night and think about the guy who jumped in front of him. People have occasionally chosen suicide-by-cop, and think about the counseling the cop needs after that.

Just because they're in a bad place doesn't excuse them from putting other people in a similar place needlessly.

Prez wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 17:30:

The only thing I'd add is that anyone considering suicide to the point of going through with it probably isn't in a state where they can logically choose the method that is best for society as a whole.

Exactly, which is why complaining about someone else's "inconvenience" by the deceased's choice of how it was done seems so petty and classless.

Beamer wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 17:33:
Just because they're in a bad place doesn't excuse them from putting other people in a similar place needlessly.

Cutter wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 17:31:

jdreyer wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 17:13:
This is one of the most profound threads at Blues I've ever read (going on 14 or so years of visiting here). Some great insights here.

The only thing I'd add is that anyone considering suicide to the point of going through with it probably isn't in a state where they can logically choose the method that is best for society as a whole.

RIP Tony. Condolences to the survivors.

Oh fucking ignore Beamer. Jesus, if there ever comes a time I choose to off myself I'm going to make it as big a pain in the ass for society as possible. Fuck society.

Prez wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 17:30:

The only thing I'd add is that anyone considering suicide to the point of going through with it probably isn't in a state where they can logically choose the method that is best for society as a whole.

Exactly, which is why complaining about inconveniencing someone else by their choice of how its done seems so petty and classless.

jdreyer wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 17:13:
This is one of the most profound threads at Blues I've ever read (going on 14 or so years of visiting here). Some great insights here.

The only thing I'd add is that anyone considering suicide to the point of going through with it probably isn't in a state where they can logically choose the method that is best for society as a whole.

RIP Tony. Condolences to the survivors.

The only thing I'd add is that anyone considering suicide to the point of going through with it probably isn't in a state where they can logically choose the method that is best for society as a whole.

PHJF wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 16:58:

Suicide is absolutely not black and white, but there are ways to do it that don't have wider implications on a wider audience.

Maybe suicide is SUPPOSED to have a WIDE audience so strangers can EXPLORE what happened and take stock of their OWN lives. Nothing makes a person question life quite like DEATH.

Agent.X7 wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 17:01:

Beamer wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 16:22:

Bet wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 16:17:
Anytime you involve someone else as the mechanism of your death (train/subway driver, cop), you're scarring them for life as they're left with the guilt of ending you. Even unintentional suicide like people trying to go around the bars on roads out of impatience and not realizing their own stupidity messes up train drivers brains, as they're witnesses to something terrible that they couldn't stop.

I agree with the likes of nin, Agent.X7 and Aseven in this case though. A slow wasting disease will fuck up kids that age for life, as surely as witnessing him blow his brains out would. You'll still need counseling either way. As to how much better/worse a quick suicide is, knowing that your dad ended it on his feet, well that's a grisly debate that hopefully no one here has to weigh for themselves.

Man on Fire was a great movie. Now's a great time for a revenge flick like that if you're upset about this. Remember the man for what he was, not how he ended.

Clip of the movie (spoilers), at 3:20 a scene to change the subject http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRhj6BF2hMA

Apparently they took the non-subtitle white text out of later versions. Talk about gutting an effective creative touch of stylized emphasis of dialogue...

My point is just that there are ways that don't put anyone else in danger, scar them, or otherwise ruin their day. You're absolutely correct about what it must do to the guy operating the train or subway, or the diver that's searching for the body, or the driver that sees the man jump off the bridge.

Suicide is absolutely not black and white, but there are ways to do it that don't have wider implications on a wider audience. I'd still put the Jackie-O suicide as one of the better managed one (which is a privilege she had.) Family crowded around, said goodbye and had their closure, and she slipped off in a painless, clean morphine overdose.

Very true. if you want to end it, do it yourself and don't involve other peoples' lives. A bullet to the noggin'? Go you. Jump in front of a bus? You're a fucker. Sure, the police have to show up either way, but now you've potentially injured dozens on the bus, scarred the driver for life, caused other accidents, etc.

Beamer wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 16:22:

Bet wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 16:17:
Anytime you involve someone else as the mechanism of your death (train/subway driver, cop), you're scarring them for life as they're left with the guilt of ending you. Even unintentional suicide like people trying to go around the bars on roads out of impatience and not realizing their own stupidity messes up train drivers brains, as they're witnesses to something terrible that they couldn't stop.

I agree with the likes of nin, Agent.X7 and Aseven in this case though. A slow wasting disease will fuck up kids that age for life, as surely as witnessing him blow his brains out would. You'll still need counseling either way. As to how much better/worse a quick suicide is, knowing that your dad ended it on his feet, well that's a grisly debate that hopefully no one here has to weigh for themselves.

Man on Fire was a great movie. Now's a great time for a revenge flick like that if you're upset about this. Remember the man for what he was, not how he ended.

Clip of the movie (spoilers), at 3:20 a scene to change the subject http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRhj6BF2hMA

Apparently they took the non-subtitle white text out of later versions. Talk about gutting an effective creative touch of stylized emphasis of dialogue...

My point is just that there are ways that don't put anyone else in danger, scar them, or otherwise ruin their day. You're absolutely correct about what it must do to the guy operating the train or subway, or the diver that's searching for the body, or the driver that sees the man jump off the bridge.

Suicide is absolutely not black and white, but there are ways to do it that don't have wider implications on a wider audience. I'd still put the Jackie-O suicide as one of the better managed one (which is a privilege she had.) Family crowded around, said goodbye and had their closure, and she slipped off in a painless, clean morphine overdose.