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Gone Gold - Borderlands 2

Gearbox boss Randy Pitchford tweets that Borderlands 2 is gold, following last month's word that the game was complete and on track for its release next month: "Borderlands 2 is now GOLD (360, PS3 EU, PS3 NA, Win PC)! PSN, PS3 JP + others imminent. Official statement to come when all ballots are in." VG247 notes that there is a pretty funny ESRB description for the role-playing shooter sequel:

his is a first-person shooter in which players join rebel forces to take down an oppressive corporation on the fictional planet of Pandora. As players explore open-world environments, they complete missions to gain experience and increase their characters' skills/abilities. Players use machine guns, sniper rifles, flamethrowers, explosives, and weaponized vehicles to kill human-like characters and hostile aliens in frequent combat. Firefights contain realistic gunfire/explosions; injured enemies scream and emit exaggerated splashes of blood. Various weapons result in dismembered limbs or bloody gibs. Some missions depict intense acts of violence: viewing characters getting electrocuted; shooting a man in the face; killing players' incinerating a cult member as part of a ritual sacrifice. The dialogue contains jokes/one-liners that reference sexual material (e.g., “I will hang myself from my own tombstone if in you I can't put my bone,” “If there's anything they love more than getting to second base with their sisters, it's cars,” “Bacon is for sycophants and products of incest.”); during some sequences, players can find and collect adult-themed magazines—though no actual nudity is depicted. One mission requires players to consume three alcoholic beverages from a bar before they can progress. The words “sh*t,” “p*ssies,” and “a*shole” can be heard in the dialogue, in addition to language censored by audible bleeps (e.g., “God-[bleep]-ing-dammit”).

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90. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 21, 2012, 16:27 Prez
 
Verno wrote on Aug 21, 2012, 08:50:
Poor Borderlands, this thread

I normally don't partake in thread hijacks, but the inclusion of the bit from the Ratings Board made the morality angle a little more pertinent to my mind.
 
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89. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 21, 2012, 14:06 Flatline
 
Verno wrote on Aug 21, 2012, 08:50:
Poor Borderlands, this thread

Boarderlands has no need for our pity. It's a stone-cold mofo.

Remember this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmUJrKGN3C0
 
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88. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 21, 2012, 08:50 Verno
 
Poor Borderlands, this thread  
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87. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 21, 2012, 01:42 Flatline
 
NicklePop wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 20:07:
DarkCntry wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 17:21:
NicklePop wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 16:51:
Of course it applies to all media!

This is a gaming board though ... I'll spare you the ranting about other forms of mind-killing.

Then do explain how civilization has survived all of these years with the advent of books...after-all, the most violent one was contains content from around 3500 years ago.

Can you honestly suggest that 'books' have the same impact (and widespread usage among youth) as gaming?

Is there no difference in your mind?

False comparison IMO.

I have two words for you of atrocities committed in the name of a book that dwarf any violence, brainwashing, or hypocracy that 30 years of video games have induced:

The Crusades.

You know, where entire generations of young people went off to murder in the name of the Pope?

Or how about

The Inquisition

You know, where they'd stick a rod up your ass and expand it until it ripped you open on the inside to get you to confess that you don't believe in the Holy Bible? And that doing this was a good and pure thing to do?

I mean hell, some fucktard killed John Lennon because he said Catcher in the Rye told him to do it.

Charlie Manson had his cult/gang/"family" murder people to instigate a race war he was clued into by a Beatles song.

Karl Marx wrote his little communist manifesto and it led to the Russian and Chinese revolutions, wherein *millions* of people were murdered in the name of political ideology.

And I apologize for the Godwin, but some little book called Mein Kampf talked about the Jews and a "solution" to the problems that they entail. The author was kind of popular and convinced an entire country to go along with his ideas.

Let me know when video games are responsible for a fucking holocaust dude. Until then your assertion is terribad and you should feel bad for having it. You come off with delusions of relevancy and smug superiority when you obviously know shit about shit. You have no proof, no citation, just this certainty that you are superior to the people around you because you "see" while they are "blind".

And pull up your pants.
 
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86. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 21, 2012, 01:26 Flatline
 
NicklePop wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 17:36:
Hellbinder wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 16:24:
After watching the hunger games last night... reading game description after game description like this one... its just depressing

People do nothing anymore but sit around and fill their heads and feed their emotions with as much pointless violence, bloodshed and mistreatment of others as they can fit into a 24 hour period. Oh lets not forget sex, sex, sex..

None of this can lead to anything good for the human race.


Are we related?

LOL

Society is fubar; the minds of men are filled with emptiness. I agree completely.

As opposed to some point in human history where we weren't obsessed with violence, fucking, and emptiness?

Name an era that was substantially "better" than today in those regards, and I'll show you that you know fuck-all about human history.

Nostalgia for some "mystical" era of prosperity, dignity, and peace and the disregarding of current world is actually a known psychological quirk of humans. It's been going on for literally thousands of years. I'm sure some ape a couple hundred thousand years ago was looking at his significantly less hairy progeny and thinking "well, we're fucked and the world is doomed now!"

And yet somehow we've muddled on for the last 3-4000 years or so.
 
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85. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 21, 2012, 00:03 Wowbagger_TIP
 
NicklePop wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 20:12:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 19:34:
NicklePop wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 16:51:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 14:13:
Again, does this apply to all media or just games? We've had violent stories and books forever, violent movies for many decades, and violent games for over 20 years. Aside from the aforementioned insane people, about which there's no telling what will set them off, what exactly are you predicting will happen to society, and what evidence do you have to support that hypothesis?

Of course it applies to all media!

This is a gaming board though ... I'll spare you the ranting about other forms of mind-killing.

I notice you didn't answer my question there at the end...

Human beings react to various stimuli. Society similarly churns about in the ocean of stimuli from the single person, to the group, and on up.

By your suggestion can I assume that you are of the mind that 'man lives in a bubble, and nothing external changes the mind'?

Is that the precept behind your question, or am I wrong?

Because it seems pretty obvious what the current (and past) stimuli have been... and the outcome has been war/rape/pillage.

But now we enter a new period where there is an increase in negative stimuli, and decrease in the age it is aquired (en masse, via easily absorbed entertainment)

Do the math.
Wow, you have a seriously warped perspective. If you aren't serving in the military and actually seeing combat, then you aren't likely to be involved in much violence in your lifetime in this country. While videogames have been on the rise for the past 20 years, violent crime has been dropping during that same period. How does your hypothesis account for that?

Actual violence, like many people around the world experience every day is a real problem. Quit inventing garbage like this and trying to call it the downfall of humanity. It's not. It's simple fantasy, and there's no evidence that it causes anything like what you're suggesting. Maybe try to focus your concerns on actual violence happening to real people every day. That's the kind of thing that seriously fucks people up. Those of us with the luxury to indulge in gaming as a hobby are not the problem.
 
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84. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 20, 2012, 23:26 finga
 
what the hell is wrong with you people  
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83. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 20, 2012, 22:38 DarkCntry
 
NicklePop wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 20:07:
DarkCntry wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 17:21:
NicklePop wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 16:51:
Of course it applies to all media!

This is a gaming board though ... I'll spare you the ranting about other forms of mind-killing.

Then do explain how civilization has survived all of these years with the advent of books...after-all, the most violent one was contains content from around 3500 years ago.

Can you honestly suggest that 'books' have the same impact (and widespread usage among youth) as gaming?

Is there no difference in your mind?

False comparison IMO.

No less an impact as the mediums change with the times. Can you say that books didn't have the similar impact 200 years ago?
 
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82. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 20, 2012, 21:57 ASeven
 
nin wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 21:51:
ASeven wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 20:54:
On a completely random note, you might enjoy this book Prez, I know I did. Very informative.

Wow, that sounds depressing as hell...


The subject is but the author treats it from a historical view point, offering insights on how the world was back when it happened and the author also employs humor to lighten things up because otherwise this book would be soul crushing.

But it is a great read because a lot of history is learned from here. And a lot of tragedy too.
 
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81. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 20, 2012, 21:51 nin
 
ASeven wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 20:54:
On a completely random note, you might enjoy this book Prez, I know I did. Very informative.

Wow, that sounds depressing as hell...

 
http://store.nin.com/index.php?cPath=10
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80. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 20, 2012, 20:54 ASeven
 
On a completely random note, you might enjoy this book Prez, I know I did. Very informative.  
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79. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 20, 2012, 20:47 Prez
 
Human beings react to various stimuli. Society similarly churns about in the ocean of stimuli from the single person, to the group, and on up.

By your suggestion can I assume that you are of the mind that 'man lives in a bubble, and nothing external changes the mind'?

I find the direction you are going in interesting, but first I have to take issue with a point you made.

But now we enter a new period where there is an increase in negative stimuli, and decrease in the age it is aquired (en masse, via easily absorbed entertainment)

This is a misrepresentation of reality in my view. Please tell me when in recorded history there was even a close ratio of good to bad stimuli? There is absolutely no such thing as "the good old days"; that's selective memory as viewed through the mind of a nostalgic old person. In every period you can name, bad stimuli outweighed the good (usually in the form of fanaticism and targeted misinformation to control the masses) The only difference today is the sheer magnitude of stimuli society is exposed to is exponentially greater than in the past due to the technical wonders of the digital age and the hunger for media consumption in the information age. I'd say if anything, the ratio of good stimuli is actually closer to the much larger bad stimuli today more than any other time.

There were no videogames in the middle ages, nor comic books, nor hip hop or heavy metal, nor TV or movies. Yet easily some of recorded history's worst mass atrocities were committed in the years between 900 and 1300. That was the enlightened period when forms of inflicting torture on people were devised that I could never fathom using on actual people even after having played Manhunt and its sequel, and when medicine women had to be afraid of being burned alive while tied to a stake if they were too good at their profession. I don't think they had Max Payne 3 back then. That's just one period in history.

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78. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 20, 2012, 20:21 ASeven
 
NicklePop wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 20:07:
DarkCntry wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 17:21:
NicklePop wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 16:51:
Of course it applies to all media!

This is a gaming board though ... I'll spare you the ranting about other forms of mind-killing.

Then do explain how civilization has survived all of these years with the advent of books...after-all, the most violent one was contains content from around 3500 years ago.

Can you honestly suggest that 'books' have the same impact (and widespread usage among youth) as gaming?

Is there no difference in your mind?

False comparison IMO.

Bible. Torah. Quran. Tao. The Five Classics. Hell, let's move away from religion. The Little Red Book. Mein Kampf. The Book Of The Five Rings. The Wealth Of Nations. Das Kapital. On The Origin Of Species. Books that today still changes things for better and for worse and that no game, or movie, or comics can ever, ever hope to achieve the global impact they had.
 
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77. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 20, 2012, 20:12 NicklePop
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 19:34:
NicklePop wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 16:51:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 14:13:
Again, does this apply to all media or just games? We've had violent stories and books forever, violent movies for many decades, and violent games for over 20 years. Aside from the aforementioned insane people, about which there's no telling what will set them off, what exactly are you predicting will happen to society, and what evidence do you have to support that hypothesis?

Of course it applies to all media!

This is a gaming board though ... I'll spare you the ranting about other forms of mind-killing.

I notice you didn't answer my question there at the end...

Human beings react to various stimuli. Society similarly churns about in the ocean of stimuli from the single person, to the group, and on up.

By your suggestion can I assume that you are of the mind that 'man lives in a bubble, and nothing external changes the mind'?

Is that the precept behind your question, or am I wrong?

Because it seems pretty obvious what the current (and past) stimuli have been... and the outcome has been war/rape/pillage.

But now we enter a new period where there is an increase in negative stimuli, and decrease in the age it is aquired (en masse, via easily absorbed entertainment)

Do the math.
 
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76. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 20, 2012, 20:07 NicklePop
 
DarkCntry wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 17:21:
NicklePop wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 16:51:
Of course it applies to all media!

This is a gaming board though ... I'll spare you the ranting about other forms of mind-killing.

Then do explain how civilization has survived all of these years with the advent of books...after-all, the most violent one was contains content from around 3500 years ago.

Can you honestly suggest that 'books' have the same impact (and widespread usage among youth) as gaming?

Is there no difference in your mind?

False comparison IMO.
 
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75. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 20, 2012, 19:34 Wowbagger_TIP
 
NicklePop wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 16:51:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 14:13:
Again, does this apply to all media or just games? We've had violent stories and books forever, violent movies for many decades, and violent games for over 20 years. Aside from the aforementioned insane people, about which there's no telling what will set them off, what exactly are you predicting will happen to society, and what evidence do you have to support that hypothesis?

Of course it applies to all media!

This is a gaming board though ... I'll spare you the ranting about other forms of mind-killing.

I notice you didn't answer my question there at the end...
 
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74. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 20, 2012, 18:55 ASeven
 
Prez wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 18:26:
Fundamentalism is insanity no matter where it is found in the world.

Maybe, but there are different forms of fundamentalism. Mahatma Ghandi and Osama Bin Laden would both fit the general definition (not the anti-modernist Protestant Christian definition) of fundamentalism if it's boiled down to the simple definition of strict adherence to dogma or prescribed principles. I don't think I need to point out the difference between a pacifist Hindu fundamentalist and a radical Islam extremist fundamentalist...

True enough, should have wrote religious fundamentalism instead, I was having in mind things like the Westboro church, the Islam fundamentalists, the Ultra-orthdox Jews, etc. Religious fundamentalism, in the sense where they take things to such an extreme where everyone else becomes a pariah that should be ostracized at best and killed at worst.

Though I am of the opinion that anything, even a good idea, if taken to the extreme will end up having negative repercussions for all.
 
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73. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 20, 2012, 18:26 Prez
 
Fundamentalism is insanity no matter where it is found in the world.

Maybe, but there are different forms of fundamentalism. Mahatma Ghandi and Osama Bin Laden would both fit the general definition (not the anti-modernist Protestant Christian definition) of fundamentalism if it's boiled down to the simple definition of strict adherence to dogma or prescribed principles. I don't think I need to point out the difference between a pacifist Hindu fundamentalist and a radical Islam extremist fundamentalist...
 
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72. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 20, 2012, 18:19 ASeven
 
Prez wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 18:15:
You are giving Hellbinder too much credit. You assume he's actually a sane person of sorts.

Not all, or even most, Christians talk and think like Hellbinder, but he is not the only one by long shot. If he were, he would be easily ignored. Alas, it's not just a case of one crazy person; I've been to churches where the preachers there make Hellbinder seem logical and rational with their insane ranting.

I have the highest respect for decent Christians; I know a lot of them myself. Hellbinder and his ilk are not in that category. They are dangerous.

Fundamentalism is insanity no matter where it is found in the world.
 
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71. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 20, 2012, 18:15 Prez
 
You are giving Hellbinder too much credit. You assume he's actually a sane person of sorts.

Not all, or even most, Christians talk and think like Hellbinder, but he is not the only one by long shot. If he were, he would be easily ignored. Alas, it's not just a case of one crazy person; I've been to churches where the preachers there make Hellbinder seem logical and rational with their insane ranting.

I have the highest respect for decent Christians; I know a lot of them myself. Hellbinder and his ilk are not in that category. They are dangerous.
 
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