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Gone Gold - Borderlands 2

Gearbox boss Randy Pitchford tweets that Borderlands 2 is gold, following last month's word that the game was complete and on track for its release next month: "Borderlands 2 is now GOLD (360, PS3 EU, PS3 NA, Win PC)! PSN, PS3 JP + others imminent. Official statement to come when all ballots are in." VG247 notes that there is a pretty funny ESRB description for the role-playing shooter sequel:

his is a first-person shooter in which players join rebel forces to take down an oppressive corporation on the fictional planet of Pandora. As players explore open-world environments, they complete missions to gain experience and increase their characters' skills/abilities. Players use machine guns, sniper rifles, flamethrowers, explosives, and weaponized vehicles to kill human-like characters and hostile aliens in frequent combat. Firefights contain realistic gunfire/explosions; injured enemies scream and emit exaggerated splashes of blood. Various weapons result in dismembered limbs or bloody gibs. Some missions depict intense acts of violence: viewing characters getting electrocuted; shooting a man in the face; killing players' incinerating a cult member as part of a ritual sacrifice. The dialogue contains jokes/one-liners that reference sexual material (e.g., “I will hang myself from my own tombstone if in you I can't put my bone,” “If there's anything they love more than getting to second base with their sisters, it's cars,” “Bacon is for sycophants and products of incest.”); during some sequences, players can find and collect adult-themed magazines—though no actual nudity is depicted. One mission requires players to consume three alcoholic beverages from a bar before they can progress. The words “sh*t,” “p*ssies,” and “a*shole” can be heard in the dialogue, in addition to language censored by audible bleeps (e.g., “God-[bleep]-ing-dammit”).

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70. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 20, 2012, 18:07 ASeven
 
Prez wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 17:45:
Yup; that movie is psychotic. Mel Gibson truly is insane ... LOL

I was talking about the story of the Passion of Jesus Christ, as it is widely known among Christianity, not the Mel Gibson movie. According to how the Bible tells the Passion story Mel Gibson's film was close to spot on in its details of the torture and execution. It is historical fact that the Romans, while great proponents of justice and order, were mind-numbingly cruel when it came down to crime and punishment. This is what Christian's are encouraged by their churches to teach their children. Not just generalities; they talk at length about the flogging, (again accurately portrayed in the Mel Gibson movie if Roman history is to be believed), the crown of thorns, the beatings, the slow, agonizing death by asphyxiation on the cross, the brutalizing of the body while on the cross, EVERYTHING. What in Borderlands or any other game even comes close to that?

Nicklepop, at this point I must confess that I am assuming you are Christian. If you aren't, I stand corrected and apologize. Just know that Hellbinder, the one you insinuated you may be related to, and indeed instigated this whole line of discussion, proclaims himself to be, and that is the basis for his self-righteous diatribes.

You are giving Hellbinder too much credit. You assume he's actually a sane person of sorts.
 
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69. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 20, 2012, 17:45 Prez
 
Yup; that movie is psychotic. Mel Gibson truly is insane ... LOL

I was talking about the story of the Passion of Jesus Christ, as it is widely known among Christianity, not the Mel Gibson movie. According to how the Bible tells the Passion story Mel Gibson's film was close to spot on in its details of the torture and execution. It is historical fact that the Romans, while great proponents of justice and order, were mind-numbingly cruel when it came down to crime and punishment. This is what Christian's are encouraged by their churches to teach their children. Not just generalities; they talk at length about the flogging, (again accurately portrayed in the Mel Gibson movie if Roman history is to be believed), the crown of thorns, the beatings, the slow, agonizing death by asphyxiation on the cross, the brutalizing of the body while on the cross, EVERYTHING. What in Borderlands or any other game even comes close to that?

Nicklepop, at this point I must confess that I am assuming you are Christian. If you aren't, I stand corrected and apologize. Just know that Hellbinder, the one you insinuated you may be related to, and indeed instigated this whole line of discussion, proclaims himself to be, and that is the basis for his self-righteous diatribes.
 
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68. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 20, 2012, 17:21 DarkCntry
 
NicklePop wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 16:51:
Of course it applies to all media!

This is a gaming board though ... I'll spare you the ranting about other forms of mind-killing.

Then do explain how civilization has survived all of these years with the advent of books...after-all, the most violent one was contains content from around 3500 years ago.
 
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67. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 20, 2012, 16:52 NicklePop
 
ASeven wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 16:32:
Prez wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 16:12:
Again, does this apply to all media or just games? We've had violent stories and books forever, violent movies for many decades, and violent games for over 20 years. Aside from the aforementioned insane people, about which there's no telling what will set them off, what exactly are you predicting will happen to society, and what evidence do you have to support that hypothesis?

The irony is that the story of the Passion of Jesus Christ, something that most morality crusaders hold very near and dear to their hearts, is rife with extreme, brutal torture and suffering. They tell you that this is "in a context" as if that changes anything. I'd rather let my daughter play Grand Theft Auto than see a church play that details the Crucifixion. GTA's violence is goofy and tongue-in-cheek; the story of Christ's execution is brutal and intense. That's far worse in my opinion to expose a child to. I would prefer not to be lectured by people who believe every word of what the Bible says. Read up on what the Israelites would do to the population of cities they conquered, then tell me my choice of entertainment is too violent.

I swear, when I saw that movie after my friends convinced me I thought I was watching a tortureporn movie or something. It sure puts Saw to utter shame in terms of gratuitous gore. I remember there were little kids watching the movie and some were sobbing.

And yeah, the old testament is so rife with so much violence that it reaches insane levels sometimes. Nowadays it would be called genocide.

Yup; that movie is psychotic. Mel Gibson truly is insane ... LOL
 
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66. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 20, 2012, 16:51 NicklePop
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 14:13:
NicklePop wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 23:36:
Prez wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 23:18:
Fair enough. But at what point do we say 'this is dumb, and counter-productive'?

Should thinking be invalidated because this is a 'video game website'?

Note that I'm only talking about Pitchford and the moronic paragraph appearing with this article.

Seeing as how you aren't a raving lunatic like Hellbinder, I guess you are least worth talking to. The problem is not so much that people disagree with you that society is fubar, but that they are being lectured that somehow their choice of entertainment is indicative of their own moral depravity. A morally depraved person may well get an inordinate amount of jollies from running over people and other virtual violent behavior, but that is not anything close the the majority of us here. The insinuation that if you enjoy violent gaming then you must be predisposed to violent behaviors in real life is naive at best and insulting at worst. There is no moral equivalency between shooting a person in a game and shooting someone in real life, and someone not insane is not in any way made more capable of committing acts of real violence through their videogame experiences. For normal people (the VAST majority of gamers) the enjoyment of playing a violent game does not equate to enjoyment of real violence, and no correlation has ever been made or ever will be made.

TL;DR version: Lighten up. It's just a game, not some deep social commentary.

I absolutely agree that 99% of people can process this, for the time being (in our culture), without becoming violent themselves.

The social commentary comes when the culture has absorbed these subtleties into their reality; that is the analogy of the toilet bowl coming into full force, where we may not see the true effects for another generation. (my parents were 'good people', so I have context to understand violence etc)

Again, does this apply to all media or just games? We've had violent stories and books forever, violent movies for many decades, and violent games for over 20 years. Aside from the aforementioned insane people, about which there's no telling what will set them off, what exactly are you predicting will happen to society, and what evidence do you have to support that hypothesis?

Of course it applies to all media!

This is a gaming board though ... I'll spare you the ranting about other forms of mind-killing.
 
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65. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 20, 2012, 16:32 ASeven
 
Prez wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 16:12:
Again, does this apply to all media or just games? We've had violent stories and books forever, violent movies for many decades, and violent games for over 20 years. Aside from the aforementioned insane people, about which there's no telling what will set them off, what exactly are you predicting will happen to society, and what evidence do you have to support that hypothesis?

The irony is that the story of the Passion of Jesus Christ, something that most morality crusaders hold very near and dear to their hearts, is rife with extreme, brutal torture and suffering. They tell you that this is "in a context" as if that changes anything. I'd rather let my daughter play Grand Theft Auto than see a church play that details the Crucifixion. GTA's violence is goofy and tongue-in-cheek; the story of Christ's execution is brutal and intense. That's far worse in my opinion to expose a child to. I would prefer not to be lectured by people who believe every word of what the Bible says. Read up on what the Israelites would do to the population of cities they conquered, then tell me my choice of entertainment is too violent.

I swear, when I saw that movie after my friends convinced me I thought I was watching a tortureporn movie or something. It sure puts Saw to utter shame in terms of gratuitous gore. I remember there were little kids watching the movie and some were sobbing.

And yeah, the old testament is so rife with so much violence that it reaches insane levels sometimes. Nowadays it would be called genocide.
 
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64. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 20, 2012, 16:21 Prez
 
The people raised the war cry, the trumpets sounded. When the people heard the sound of the trumpet, they raised a mighty war cry and the wall collapsed then and there. At once the people stormed the city, each man going straight forward; and the captured the city. They enforced the curse of destruction on everyone in the city; men and women, young and old, including the oxen, the sheep, and the donkeys, slaughtering them all. -- Joshua 6:20-21
 
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63. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 20, 2012, 16:12 Prez
 
Again, does this apply to all media or just games? We've had violent stories and books forever, violent movies for many decades, and violent games for over 20 years. Aside from the aforementioned insane people, about which there's no telling what will set them off, what exactly are you predicting will happen to society, and what evidence do you have to support that hypothesis?

The irony is that the story of the Passion of Jesus Christ, something that most morality crusaders hold very near and dear to their hearts, is rife with extreme, brutal torture and suffering. They tell you that this is "in a context" as if that changes anything. I'd rather let my daughter play Grand Theft Auto than see a church play that details the Crucifixion. GTA's violence is goofy and tongue-in-cheek; the story of Christ's execution is brutal and intense. That's far worse in my opinion to expose a child to. I would prefer not to be lectured by people who believe every word of what the Bible says. Read up on what the Israelites would do to the population of cities they conquered, then tell me my choice of entertainment is too violent.

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62. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 20, 2012, 14:13 Wowbagger_TIP
 
NicklePop wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 23:36:
Prez wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 23:18:
Fair enough. But at what point do we say 'this is dumb, and counter-productive'?

Should thinking be invalidated because this is a 'video game website'?

Note that I'm only talking about Pitchford and the moronic paragraph appearing with this article.

Seeing as how you aren't a raving lunatic like Hellbinder, I guess you are least worth talking to. The problem is not so much that people disagree with you that society is fubar, but that they are being lectured that somehow their choice of entertainment is indicative of their own moral depravity. A morally depraved person may well get an inordinate amount of jollies from running over people and other virtual violent behavior, but that is not anything close the the majority of us here. The insinuation that if you enjoy violent gaming then you must be predisposed to violent behaviors in real life is naive at best and insulting at worst. There is no moral equivalency between shooting a person in a game and shooting someone in real life, and someone not insane is not in any way made more capable of committing acts of real violence through their videogame experiences. For normal people (the VAST majority of gamers) the enjoyment of playing a violent game does not equate to enjoyment of real violence, and no correlation has ever been made or ever will be made.

TL;DR version: Lighten up. It's just a game, not some deep social commentary.

I absolutely agree that 99% of people can process this, for the time being (in our culture), without becoming violent themselves.

The social commentary comes when the culture has absorbed these subtleties into their reality; that is the analogy of the toilet bowl coming into full force, where we may not see the true effects for another generation. (my parents were 'good people', so I have context to understand violence etc)

Again, does this apply to all media or just games? We've had violent stories and books forever, violent movies for many decades, and violent games for over 20 years. Aside from the aforementioned insane people, about which there's no telling what will set them off, what exactly are you predicting will happen to society, and what evidence do you have to support that hypothesis?
 
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61. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 20, 2012, 12:33 Verno
 
avianflu wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 12:05:
my only concern with B2 is that they will throw a lot of little DLC stuff that should have been in the game anyway. So I am holding off until after the release date.

Yeah they fucked up a bit with BL1 in several aspects. Thankfully this time it has a stash built in and preview materials make the game sound quite sizable in terms of environments and length so I'm feeling good about it.
 
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60. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 20, 2012, 12:05 avianflu
 
my only concern with B2 is that they will throw a lot of little DLC stuff that should have been in the game anyway. So I am holding off until after the release date.

I am playing SSX now (from the bargain racks) and it is absurd how EA monetized almost everything in that game.
 
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59. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 20, 2012, 10:14 space captain
 
there are many differences between righteous and self-righteous... see if you can spot them!  
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58. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 20, 2012, 09:01 nin
 
Not sure who Hellbinder is ... but I basically agree with his statement on the first page, I would say it's unarguable.

... he may well be a raving lunatic, but that's besides the point.


Youuuuuu might want to read his post history a bit...he does a great "chimp throwing feces" routine.

 
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57. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 20, 2012, 08:48 Morgan19
 
Umm... Yay Borderlands 2!  
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56. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 20, 2012, 08:15 Burrito of Peace
 
NicklePop wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 22:52:
To which I have to ask at what point (I'm guessing when you're playing pee-swords with another 40 yr old man) do you ask yourself, why? Why do we need to focus on being less intelligent?

Bah, I don't even really care; but Pitchford is clearly a backwater jackboot focusing on degradation of the mind as he does.


You were 747ed.
 
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55. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 20, 2012, 05:08 DarkCntry
 
PHJF wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 00:18:
nin wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 22:34:
when it's late night and I'm drunk I wanna let off steam and murder midgets!

I just ran over 4 people in Sleeping Dogs...and I'm pretty sure they had it coming. Well...at least 3 of them.


I hope you didn't do that on a mission cuz that shit RAPES your police score...

I pushed a guy 2 feet and it killed him, resulting in me losing an entire shield

That said, I guess that's commentary to what happens in real life when I push people 2 feet as well, I'm going to Hell
 
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54. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 20, 2012, 00:18 PHJF
 
nin wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 22:34:
when it's late night and I'm drunk I wanna let off steam and murder midgets!

I just ran over 4 people in Sleeping Dogs...and I'm pretty sure they had it coming. Well...at least 3 of them.


I hope you didn't do that on a mission cuz that shit RAPES your police score...
 
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53. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 19, 2012, 23:55 Nadool
 
Welcome to Costco. I love you.  
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52. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 19, 2012, 23:36 NicklePop
 
Prez wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 23:18:
Fair enough. But at what point do we say 'this is dumb, and counter-productive'?

Should thinking be invalidated because this is a 'video game website'?

Note that I'm only talking about Pitchford and the moronic paragraph appearing with this article.

Seeing as how you aren't a raving lunatic like Hellbinder, I guess you are least worth talking to. The problem is not so much that people disagree with you that society is fubar, but that they are being lectured that somehow their choice of entertainment is indicative of their own moral depravity. A morally depraved person may well get an inordinate amount of jollies from running over people and other virtual violent behavior, but that is not anything close the the majority of us here. The insinuation that if you enjoy violent gaming then you must be predisposed to violent behaviors in real life is naive at best and insulting at worst. There is no moral equivalency between shooting a person in a game and shooting someone in real life, and someone not insane is not in any way made more capable of committing acts of real violence through their videogame experiences. For normal people (the VAST majority of gamers) the enjoyment of playing a violent game does not equate to enjoyment of real violence, and no correlation has ever been made or ever will be made.

TL;DR version: Lighten up. It's just a game, not some deep social commentary.

I absolutely agree that 99% of people can process this, for the time being (in our culture), without becoming violent themselves.

The social commentary comes when the culture has absorbed these subtleties into their reality; that is the analogy of the toilet bowl coming into full force, where we may not see the true effects for another generation. (my parents were 'good people', so I have context to understand violence etc)

Not sure who Hellbinder is ... but I basically agree with his statement on the first page, I would say it's unarguable.

... he may well be a raving lunatic, but that's besides the point.
 
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51. Re: Gone Gold - Borderlands 2 Aug 19, 2012, 23:18 Prez
 
Fair enough. But at what point do we say 'this is dumb, and counter-productive'?

Should thinking be invalidated because this is a 'video game website'?

Note that I'm only talking about Pitchford and the moronic paragraph appearing with this article.

Seeing as how you aren't a raving lunatic like Hellbinder, I guess you are least worth talking to. The problem is not so much that people disagree with you that society is fubar, but that they are being lectured that somehow their choice of entertainment is indicative of their own moral depravity. A morally depraved person may well get an inordinate amount of jollies from running over people and other virtual violent behavior, but that is not anything close the the majority of us here. The insinuation that if you enjoy violent gaming then you must be predisposed to violent behaviors in real life is naive at best and insulting at worst. There is no moral equivalency between shooting a person in a game and shooting someone in real life, and someone not insane is not in any way made more capable of committing acts of real violence through their videogame experiences. For normal people (the VAST majority of gamers) the enjoyment of playing a violent game does not equate to enjoyment of real violence, and no correlation has ever been made or ever will be made.

TL;DR version: Lighten up. It's just a game, not some deep social commentary.
 
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