RollinThundr wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 22:24:

Beamer wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 20:12:

RollinThundr wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 17:44:
Really? What's this then dipshit? http://www.gamefly.com/download-games/

That's purchasing games, like Steam.

RollinThundr wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 17:45:
Really? What's this then dipshit? [url=http://www.gamefly.com/download-games/browse/?pf=1100&cat=UnlimitedPlay[/url]

Edit. I have no idea why url codes never work on blues for me.

That's games as a service, not renting. You're buying access to crappy old games, like CSI.

Here's a direct question about renting games:

"You can't rent PC games. Most PC games are for purchase only. There are quite a few PC games you can download and play for free in the Unlimited PC Play section."

Also asked here
"Gamefly doesn't rent PC games, so if you only have a PC, you probably wouldn't benefit from the service."

Really, a whole string of people asking and being told "Gamefly doesn't do this.

Old pc games or not, it's still essentially renting them. Just out of curiosity do you work for EA or Activision? It always amazes me how much you tend to go out of your way to defend publishers.

wtf_man wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 12:29:
It's real simple... they were up to their necks in debt... they did what they had to do to save the company, by forming another one. Most of the employees will be hired back.

Beamer wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 20:12:

RollinThundr wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 17:44:
Really? What's this then dipshit? http://www.gamefly.com/download-games/

That's purchasing games, like Steam.

RollinThundr wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 17:45:
Really? What's this then dipshit? [url=http://www.gamefly.com/download-games/browse/?pf=1100&cat=UnlimitedPlay[/url]

Edit. I have no idea why url codes never work on blues for me.

That's games as a service, not renting. You're buying access to crappy old games, like CSI.

Here's a direct question about renting games:

"You can't rent PC games. Most PC games are for purchase only. There are quite a few PC games you can download and play for free in the Unlimited PC Play section."

Also asked here
"Gamefly doesn't rent PC games, so if you only have a PC, you probably wouldn't benefit from the service."

Really, a whole string of people asking and being told "Gamefly doesn't do this.

RollinThundr wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 17:44:
Really? What's this then dipshit? http://www.gamefly.com/download-games/

RollinThundr wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 17:45:
Really? What's this then dipshit? [url=http://www.gamefly.com/download-games/browse/?pf=1100&cat=UnlimitedPlay[/url]

Edit. I have no idea why url codes never work on blues for me.

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Beamer wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 12:37:

RollinThundr wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 03:27:

Beamer wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 00:43:

PHJF wrote on Aug 18, 2012, 23:48:

And, PC rentals would be great, but why should streaming be the only way to accomplish it? There are plenty of DRM schemes that require an always online connection, they could make a full installable client that is only authorized to work during the rental period. That would be the only application that could justify always online DRM in a single player game.

Because I don't want to download 30GB of Max Payne 3 to be able to play it for thirty minutes. The whole point of streaming is that games are INSTANTLY playable. If all I want to do is demo a game it'd take far more bandwidth to download a client than to stream it for a short while.

And publishers would never allow rentals otherwise, as it makes piracy even easier.
Streaming destroys piracy, and used sales, hence the attraction. Hence why we'll one day be on it. Again, could be 5 years, could be 50, but it's where we're going.

Just an FYI Gamefly offers PC rentals that as far as I know aren't streaming.

You're not by chance related to Pachter are you?

Actually, Gamefly does not offer PC rentals.

So, you're wrong. In any case, the publishers wouldn't have any say in this. Why? Same reason that publishers have no say in Redbox. Ever read how Redbox gets most of their films? They buy them from Walmart, because publishers refuse to sell to them. Gamefly could do the same thing, because it's the physical disc, not the code.

See that difference there?


Score Ms. Moneybags!

Beamer wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 12:37:

RollinThundr wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 03:27:

Beamer wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 00:43:

PHJF wrote on Aug 18, 2012, 23:48:

And, PC rentals would be great, but why should streaming be the only way to accomplish it? There are plenty of DRM schemes that require an always online connection, they could make a full installable client that is only authorized to work during the rental period. That would be the only application that could justify always online DRM in a single player game.

Because I don't want to download 30GB of Max Payne 3 to be able to play it for thirty minutes. The whole point of streaming is that games are INSTANTLY playable. If all I want to do is demo a game it'd take far more bandwidth to download a client than to stream it for a short while.

And publishers would never allow rentals otherwise, as it makes piracy even easier.
Streaming destroys piracy, and used sales, hence the attraction. Hence why we'll one day be on it. Again, could be 5 years, could be 50, but it's where we're going.

Just an FYI Gamefly offers PC rentals that as far as I know aren't streaming.

You're not by chance related to Pachter are you?

Actually, Gamefly does not offer PC rentals.

So, you're wrong. In any case, the publishers wouldn't have any say in this. Why? Same reason that publishers have no say in Redbox. Ever read how Redbox gets most of their films? They buy them from Walmart, because publishers refuse to sell to them. Gamefly could do the same thing, because it's the physical disc, not the code.

See that difference there?


Score Ms. Moneybags!

Mordecai Walfish wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 15:03:

NKD wrote on Aug 18, 2012, 17:10:
On top of all that, they can't charge very much without making it more expensive than simply keeping a mid-range gaming rig up to date. ($500 a year can keep you perpetually in the mid-range, which is $42 a month approx.)

I'd go so far as to say $500/yr can easily keep you in the high-end, if you already have a good platform to work with (good case, monitor, sound card).

High-end meaning that every game is playable on max settings with a bit of AA (real AA, not the vaseline-effect shader ones).
Soon when we're @ 4000x2000 resolutions I dont think AA will even matter as much really..

NKD wrote on Aug 18, 2012, 17:10:
On top of all that, they can't charge very much without making it more expensive than simply keeping a mid-range gaming rig up to date. ($500 a year can keep you perpetually in the mid-range, which is $42 a month approx.)

wtf_man wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 12:29:

HorrorScope wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 11:42:

deqer wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 00:53:
Corps should stop leading people on, and be real with them and say "look, we actually aren't sure how this will pan out, so this will just be a 1 year contract job." But noooo, corps don't like to do this for some reason; they like to lead you on, hire you, then do the old "Layoff" trick ...

In this case it seems even much worse. They setup the company to go bankrupt from the start it seems and offered false stock incentives to those they hired on. They basically just changed hands and the only losers are employees and creditors. I happen to know just a few companies like this that I go out and do some work for. These people are real shysters, finding any type of loophole for their sole greed. The patents are all with a separate company and possibly the only thing of great value, but still all owned by the same person.

Conspiracy Theories, as far as "they set the company up to go bankrupt from the start".

Well... have a look at this:
Twist! – OnLive Bought - Gets Substantial Funding

It's real simple... they were up to their necks in debt... they did what they had to do to save the company, by forming another one. Most of the employees will be hired back.

RollinThundr wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 03:27:

Beamer wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 00:43:

PHJF wrote on Aug 18, 2012, 23:48:

And, PC rentals would be great, but why should streaming be the only way to accomplish it? There are plenty of DRM schemes that require an always online connection, they could make a full installable client that is only authorized to work during the rental period. That would be the only application that could justify always online DRM in a single player game.

Because I don't want to download 30GB of Max Payne 3 to be able to play it for thirty minutes. The whole point of streaming is that games are INSTANTLY playable. If all I want to do is demo a game it'd take far more bandwidth to download a client than to stream it for a short while.

And publishers would never allow rentals otherwise, as it makes piracy even easier.
Streaming destroys piracy, and used sales, hence the attraction. Hence why we'll one day be on it. Again, could be 5 years, could be 50, but it's where we're going.

Just an FYI Gamefly offers PC rentals that as far as I know aren't streaming.

You're not by chance related to Pachter are you?

Well... have a look at this:
Twist! – OnLive Bought - Gets Substantial Funding

HorrorScope wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 11:42:

deqer wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 00:53:
Corps should stop leading people on, and be real with them and say "look, we actually aren't sure how this will pan out, so this will just be a 1 year contract job." But noooo, corps don't like to do this for some reason; they like to lead you on, hire you, then do the old "Layoff" trick ...

In this case it seems even much worse. They setup the company to go bankrupt from the start it seems and offered false stock incentives to those they hired on. They basically just changed hands and the only losers are employees and creditors. I happen to know just a few companies like this that I go out and do some work for. These people are real shysters, finding any type of loophole for their sole greed. The patents are all with a separate company and possibly the only thing of great value, but still all owned by the same person.

deqer wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 00:53:
Corps should stop leading people on, and be real with them and say "look, we actually aren't sure how this will pan out, so this will just be a 1 year contract job." But noooo, corps don't like to do this for some reason; they like to lead you on, hire you, then do the old "Layoff" trick ...

Beamer wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 00:43:

PHJF wrote on Aug 18, 2012, 23:48:

And, PC rentals would be great, but why should streaming be the only way to accomplish it? There are plenty of DRM schemes that require an always online connection, they could make a full installable client that is only authorized to work during the rental period. That would be the only application that could justify always online DRM in a single player game.

Because I don't want to download 30GB of Max Payne 3 to be able to play it for thirty minutes. The whole point of streaming is that games are INSTANTLY playable. If all I want to do is demo a game it'd take far more bandwidth to download a client than to stream it for a short while.

And publishers would never allow rentals otherwise, as it makes piracy even easier.
Streaming destroys piracy, and used sales, hence the attraction. Hence why we'll one day be on it. Again, could be 5 years, could be 50, but it's where we're going.