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OnLive Layoffs Follow-up

Joystiq has a rundown of what went down during a final meeting with the staff of OnLive before they were all fired, clarifying the report that the entire staff was being let go as part of some sort of reorganization. The company has undergone an Assignment for the Benefit of Creditors, or ABC (a form of bankruptcy), and will continue under the ownership of a venture capitalist. Word is only "the essential" portion of the company's 150-200 staff will be rehired going forward as the new owner attempts to bring the cloud gaming service into profitability.

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54. Re: OnLive Layoffs Follow-up Aug 20, 2012, 09:45 Beamer
 
RollinThundr wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 22:24:
Beamer wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 20:12:
RollinThundr wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 17:44:
Really? What's this then dipshit? http://www.gamefly.com/download-games/

That's purchasing games, like Steam.

RollinThundr wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 17:45:
Really? What's this then dipshit? [url=http://www.gamefly.com/download-games/browse/?pf=1100&cat=UnlimitedPlay[/url]

Edit. I have no idea why url codes never work on blues for me.

That's games as a service, not renting. You're buying access to crappy old games, like CSI.

Here's a direct question about renting games:

"You can't rent PC games. Most PC games are for purchase only. There are quite a few PC games you can download and play for free in the Unlimited PC Play section."

Also asked here
"Gamefly doesn't rent PC games, so if you only have a PC, you probably wouldn't benefit from the service."

Really, a whole string of people asking and being told "Gamefly doesn't do this.

Old pc games or not, it's still essentially renting them. Just out of curiosity do you work for EA or Activision? It always amazes me how much you tend to go out of your way to defend publishers.

I fail to see how saying they won't rent games is defending them.

Seriously. And the other day you said I defended them when I was calling them stupid.




Maybe your comprehension sucks? Or maybe you think anything less than "TH3se GuY5 r N4Z1s!!!" is defending them.
 
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53. Re: OnLive Layoffs Follow-up Aug 20, 2012, 00:31 HorrorScope
 
wtf_man wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 12:29:
It's real simple... they were up to their necks in debt... they did what they had to do to save the company, by forming another one. Most of the employees will be hired back.

Yeah that is a real crap deal and to note all those hire backs, all lost their stock options in the last company and are not being honored in the new one. It's a crappy tactic. Someone is out cash because of this tactic.
 
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52. Re: OnLive Layoffs Follow-up Aug 19, 2012, 22:24 RollinThundr
 
Beamer wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 20:12:
RollinThundr wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 17:44:
Really? What's this then dipshit? http://www.gamefly.com/download-games/

That's purchasing games, like Steam.

RollinThundr wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 17:45:
Really? What's this then dipshit? [url=http://www.gamefly.com/download-games/browse/?pf=1100&cat=UnlimitedPlay[/url]

Edit. I have no idea why url codes never work on blues for me.

That's games as a service, not renting. You're buying access to crappy old games, like CSI.

Here's a direct question about renting games:

"You can't rent PC games. Most PC games are for purchase only. There are quite a few PC games you can download and play for free in the Unlimited PC Play section."

Also asked here
"Gamefly doesn't rent PC games, so if you only have a PC, you probably wouldn't benefit from the service."

Really, a whole string of people asking and being told "Gamefly doesn't do this.

Old pc games or not, it's still essentially renting them. Just out of curiosity do you work for EA or Activision? It always amazes me how much you tend to go out of your way to defend publishers.
 
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51. Re: OnLive Layoffs Follow-up Aug 19, 2012, 20:12 Beamer
 
RollinThundr wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 17:44:
Really? What's this then dipshit? http://www.gamefly.com/download-games/

That's purchasing games, like Steam.

RollinThundr wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 17:45:
Really? What's this then dipshit? [url=http://www.gamefly.com/download-games/browse/?pf=1100&cat=UnlimitedPlay[/url]

Edit. I have no idea why url codes never work on blues for me.

That's games as a service, not renting. You're buying access to crappy old games, like CSI.

Here's a direct question about renting games:

"You can't rent PC games. Most PC games are for purchase only. There are quite a few PC games you can download and play for free in the Unlimited PC Play section."

Also asked here
"Gamefly doesn't rent PC games, so if you only have a PC, you probably wouldn't benefit from the service."

Really, a whole string of people asking and being told "Gamefly doesn't do this.

This comment was edited on Aug 19, 2012, 20:17.
 
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50. Re: OnLive Layoffs Follow-up Aug 19, 2012, 18:15 Prez
 

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While a bit confusing, it looks like Gamefly does in fact do PC rentals.


 
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49. Re: OnLive Layoffs Follow-up Aug 19, 2012, 17:45 RollinThundr
 
Beamer wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 12:37:
RollinThundr wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 03:27:
Beamer wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 00:43:
PHJF wrote on Aug 18, 2012, 23:48:
And, PC rentals would be great, but why should streaming be the only way to accomplish it? There are plenty of DRM schemes that require an always online connection, they could make a full installable client that is only authorized to work during the rental period. That would be the only application that could justify always online DRM in a single player game.

Because I don't want to download 30GB of Max Payne 3 to be able to play it for thirty minutes. The whole point of streaming is that games are INSTANTLY playable. If all I want to do is demo a game it'd take far more bandwidth to download a client than to stream it for a short while.

And publishers would never allow rentals otherwise, as it makes piracy even easier.
Streaming destroys piracy, and used sales, hence the attraction. Hence why we'll one day be on it. Again, could be 5 years, could be 50, but it's where we're going.

Just an FYI Gamefly offers PC rentals that as far as I know aren't streaming.

You're not by chance related to Pachter are you?

Actually, Gamefly does not offer PC rentals.

So, you're wrong. In any case, the publishers wouldn't have any say in this. Why? Same reason that publishers have no say in Redbox. Ever read how Redbox gets most of their films? They buy them from Walmart, because publishers refuse to sell to them. Gamefly could do the same thing, because it's the physical disc, not the code.

See that difference there?


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Really? What's this then dipshit? [url=http://www.gamefly.com/download-games/browse/?pf=1100&cat=UnlimitedPlay[/url]

Edit. I have no idea why url codes never work on blues for me.
 
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48. Re: OnLive Layoffs Follow-up Aug 19, 2012, 17:44 RollinThundr
 
Beamer wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 12:37:
RollinThundr wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 03:27:
Beamer wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 00:43:
PHJF wrote on Aug 18, 2012, 23:48:
And, PC rentals would be great, but why should streaming be the only way to accomplish it? There are plenty of DRM schemes that require an always online connection, they could make a full installable client that is only authorized to work during the rental period. That would be the only application that could justify always online DRM in a single player game.

Because I don't want to download 30GB of Max Payne 3 to be able to play it for thirty minutes. The whole point of streaming is that games are INSTANTLY playable. If all I want to do is demo a game it'd take far more bandwidth to download a client than to stream it for a short while.

And publishers would never allow rentals otherwise, as it makes piracy even easier.
Streaming destroys piracy, and used sales, hence the attraction. Hence why we'll one day be on it. Again, could be 5 years, could be 50, but it's where we're going.

Just an FYI Gamefly offers PC rentals that as far as I know aren't streaming.

You're not by chance related to Pachter are you?

Actually, Gamefly does not offer PC rentals.

So, you're wrong. In any case, the publishers wouldn't have any say in this. Why? Same reason that publishers have no say in Redbox. Ever read how Redbox gets most of their films? They buy them from Walmart, because publishers refuse to sell to them. Gamefly could do the same thing, because it's the physical disc, not the code.

See that difference there?


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Really? What's this then dipshit? http://www.gamefly.com/download-games/
 
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47. Re: OnLive Layoffs Follow-up Aug 19, 2012, 15:53 Prez
 
Mordecai Walfish wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 15:03:
NKD wrote on Aug 18, 2012, 17:10:
On top of all that, they can't charge very much without making it more expensive than simply keeping a mid-range gaming rig up to date. ($500 a year can keep you perpetually in the mid-range, which is $42 a month approx.)

I'd go so far as to say $500/yr can easily keep you in the high-end, if you already have a good platform to work with (good case, monitor, sound card).

High-end meaning that every game is playable on max settings with a bit of AA (real AA, not the vaseline-effect shader ones).
Soon when we're @ 4000x2000 resolutions I dont think AA will even matter as much really..

Definitely - it depends on how much money you spent upfront. But you could just start at 500 bucks for the whole shebang and continue spending at most $500 a year (I actually spend WAY less per year on hardware for each of my LAN's individual machines) to keep playing your games at or close to maximum graphical settings.
 
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46. Re: OnLive Layoffs Follow-up Aug 19, 2012, 15:03 Mordecai Walfish
 
NKD wrote on Aug 18, 2012, 17:10:
On top of all that, they can't charge very much without making it more expensive than simply keeping a mid-range gaming rig up to date. ($500 a year can keep you perpetually in the mid-range, which is $42 a month approx.)

I'd go so far as to say $500/yr can easily keep you in the high-end, if you already have a good platform to work with (good case, monitor, sound card).

High-end meaning that every game is playable on max settings with a bit of AA (real AA, not the vaseline-effect shader ones).
Soon when we're @ 4000x2000 resolutions I dont think AA will even matter as much really..
 
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45. Re: OnLive Layoffs Follow-up Aug 19, 2012, 12:46 Beamer
 
wtf_man wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 12:29:
HorrorScope wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 11:42:
deqer wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 00:53:
Corps should stop leading people on, and be real with them and say "look, we actually aren't sure how this will pan out, so this will just be a 1 year contract job." But noooo, corps don't like to do this for some reason; they like to lead you on, hire you, then do the old "Layoff" trick ...

In this case it seems even much worse. They setup the company to go bankrupt from the start it seems and offered false stock incentives to those they hired on. They basically just changed hands and the only losers are employees and creditors. I happen to know just a few companies like this that I go out and do some work for. These people are real shysters, finding any type of loophole for their sole greed. The patents are all with a separate company and possibly the only thing of great value, but still all owned by the same person.

Conspiracy Theories, as far as "they set the company up to go bankrupt from the start".

Well... have a look at this:
Twist! OnLive Bought - Gets Substantial Funding

It's real simple... they were up to their necks in debt... they did what they had to do to save the company, by forming another one. Most of the employees will be hired back.

Exactly what I said in the other thread - they sold the assets and kept the debt. Similar to what happened when NVIDIA bought 3dfx.

It's shady, but it happens. What will make it unreasonably shady is if the original owners still have stake.

As for the employees losing their stock, again, this isn't uncommon - we've all seen the Social Network and saw that guy now in Singapore get massively diluted. It happened at the first company I ever worked at - a shady mortgage startup. We all got stock one day because the guys that founded us, were hands off, and desperately tried to sell us knew morale was insanely low. The stock didn't help. When they were sold we were told the stock had no worth. We'd already known that.
When a company sells out while essentially failing those stock options become worthless. It's only very successful companies that turn the librarian into a millionaire. Worth remembering if a startup comes to you - it's a huge gamble and your offer may make you a millionaire on paper but odds are that paper will crumble away before being realized.
 
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44. Re: OnLive Layoffs Follow-up Aug 19, 2012, 12:37 Beamer
 
RollinThundr wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 03:27:
Beamer wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 00:43:
PHJF wrote on Aug 18, 2012, 23:48:
And, PC rentals would be great, but why should streaming be the only way to accomplish it? There are plenty of DRM schemes that require an always online connection, they could make a full installable client that is only authorized to work during the rental period. That would be the only application that could justify always online DRM in a single player game.

Because I don't want to download 30GB of Max Payne 3 to be able to play it for thirty minutes. The whole point of streaming is that games are INSTANTLY playable. If all I want to do is demo a game it'd take far more bandwidth to download a client than to stream it for a short while.

And publishers would never allow rentals otherwise, as it makes piracy even easier.
Streaming destroys piracy, and used sales, hence the attraction. Hence why we'll one day be on it. Again, could be 5 years, could be 50, but it's where we're going.

Just an FYI Gamefly offers PC rentals that as far as I know aren't streaming.

You're not by chance related to Pachter are you?

Actually, Gamefly does not offer PC rentals.

So, you're wrong. In any case, the publishers wouldn't have any say in this. Why? Same reason that publishers have no say in Redbox. Ever read how Redbox gets most of their films? They buy them from Walmart, because publishers refuse to sell to them. Gamefly could do the same thing, because it's the physical disc, not the code.

See that difference there?


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43. Re: OnLive Layoffs Follow-up Aug 19, 2012, 12:36 nin
 
Well... have a look at this:
Twist! OnLive Bought - Gets Substantial Funding

Considering the folks that lost their jobs, that was a rather positive spin for the title...

 
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42. Re: OnLive Layoffs Follow-up Aug 19, 2012, 12:29 wtf_man
 
HorrorScope wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 11:42:
deqer wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 00:53:
Corps should stop leading people on, and be real with them and say "look, we actually aren't sure how this will pan out, so this will just be a 1 year contract job." But noooo, corps don't like to do this for some reason; they like to lead you on, hire you, then do the old "Layoff" trick ...

In this case it seems even much worse. They setup the company to go bankrupt from the start it seems and offered false stock incentives to those they hired on. They basically just changed hands and the only losers are employees and creditors. I happen to know just a few companies like this that I go out and do some work for. These people are real shysters, finding any type of loophole for their sole greed. The patents are all with a separate company and possibly the only thing of great value, but still all owned by the same person.

Conspiracy Theories, as far as "they set the company up to go bankrupt from the start".

Well... have a look at this:
Twist! OnLive Bought - Gets Substantial Funding

It's real simple... they were up to their necks in debt... they did what they had to do to save the company, by forming another one. Most of the employees will be hired back.

This comment was edited on Aug 19, 2012, 12:39.
 
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41. Re: OnLive Layoffs Follow-up Aug 19, 2012, 11:42 HorrorScope
 
deqer wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 00:53:
Corps should stop leading people on, and be real with them and say "look, we actually aren't sure how this will pan out, so this will just be a 1 year contract job." But noooo, corps don't like to do this for some reason; they like to lead you on, hire you, then do the old "Layoff" trick ...

In this case it seems even much worse. They setup the company to go bankrupt from the start it seems and offered false stock incentives to those they hired on. They basically just changed hands and the only losers are employees and creditors. I happen to know just a few companies like this that I go out and do some work for. These people are real shysters, finding any type of loophole for their sole greed. The patents are all with a separate company and possibly the only thing of great value, but still all owned by the same person.
 
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40. Re: OnLive Layoffs Follow-up Aug 19, 2012, 10:58 shul
 
I didn't have any problems playing 3D games as well. I owned one game (got it for free as being one of the beta participants) and then played a lot of the free demos. It was great.

The narrow-mindedness of people here is quite shocking to me.. you can say you don't like the idea of starting to pay for the games you play per-game, you can accuse the whole world for technology going forward, but you can't say that the technology didn't work (and one of the posters said that and immediately after said he was curious to know how DID it work.. wtf?)

Guys, google is going to put very high network connections all across the US, this thing worked with a 10Gb connection, it will work with faster connections. All that the CEO of the company said will come to pass, so get ready for it.

As for the CEO, I saw somewhere he did all of this in order to fuck his employees. I hope it is clear that isn't the case now.
 
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39. Re: OnLive Layoffs Follow-up Aug 19, 2012, 10:26 space captain
 
he likes to wear panties, so i give him the proper respect as a proper lady  
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38. Re: OnLive Layoffs Follow-up Aug 19, 2012, 10:15 Prez
 
LOL! Ms. Moneybags?  
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37. Re: OnLive Layoffs Follow-up Aug 19, 2012, 09:22 space captain
 
ooooooooooh! ROLLINGCHIKN with the SLAM! on ms. moneybags!!

thats gotta hurt
 
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36. Re: OnLive Layoffs Follow-up Aug 19, 2012, 07:04 Paketep
 
I'm sorry for the people losing their jobs, but I'm glad this platform is going to hell. Like DivX (the old DVD substitute, not the codec), it meant putting ALL the power in the hands of the publishers. And we know what happens when they have it. Sony has been crying PIRACY for years, and now that their platform has no piracy, have their prices dropped?. No siree.

This was just a stupid idea, bad for the gamers, bad for the devs. Only the publishers benefitted from it. I hope it goes bankrupt soon.
 
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35. Re: OnLive Layoffs Follow-up Aug 19, 2012, 03:27 RollinThundr
 
Beamer wrote on Aug 19, 2012, 00:43:
PHJF wrote on Aug 18, 2012, 23:48:
And, PC rentals would be great, but why should streaming be the only way to accomplish it? There are plenty of DRM schemes that require an always online connection, they could make a full installable client that is only authorized to work during the rental period. That would be the only application that could justify always online DRM in a single player game.

Because I don't want to download 30GB of Max Payne 3 to be able to play it for thirty minutes. The whole point of streaming is that games are INSTANTLY playable. If all I want to do is demo a game it'd take far more bandwidth to download a client than to stream it for a short while.

And publishers would never allow rentals otherwise, as it makes piracy even easier.
Streaming destroys piracy, and used sales, hence the attraction. Hence why we'll one day be on it. Again, could be 5 years, could be 50, but it's where we're going.

Just an FYI Gamefly offers PC rentals that as far as I know aren't streaming.

You're not by chance related to Pachter are you?
 
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