Beamer wrote on Aug 18, 2012, 13:53:
Well, the first profitable quarter for the Xbox was 2008 with Halo 3, the Xbox 360 has a 64 bit processor, 64 bit OS, and 64 bit games.

Dev wrote on Aug 18, 2012, 11:50:

eRe4s3r wrote on Aug 18, 2012, 02:23:
Well with custom I mean like a dual-gpu kind of setup. Actually I am bit more optimistic that at least 1 of the new consoles is going to be pretty state-of-the-art performance wise given that the costs are recouped by games anyway. And hopefully the consoles are going to be 64bit, meaning we might finally see that leak over into the PC market, one can hope... ;p It annoys the heck of out of me no game uses my 16GB ram ;p I could INSTALL most games in my ram, for gods sake.

There's existing dual gpu on a single card setups now. In most cases, duals on 1 card aren't cost effective for the amount of performance they give out.
No, costs are NOT automatically recouped by games. Sony lost a HUGE amount of money on the PS3 console. I didn't run the math of each quarter/annual report to see if they ever made enough money to make up for those losses.
I have run the math on the xbox 1 though. MS lost over $4 billion on the xbox 1, and thats INCLUDING all games/software/licensing sales they made on it. I believe they ultimately made money overall on the xbox 360, but it took quite a while to even be in the black for a single quarter (which I recall was when they released one of the halo games), and then even longer to make up for all the previous losses.

And 64 bit isn't really that important to consoles. The 360 has been running on 512 megs ram. They may well limit the next gen consoles to 4gb of memory to keep costs down. And even if they did go to 8 gb of ram, there's ways to utilize that in 32 bit. Some versions of windows have also been able to use over 4gb of ram in 32 bit.

eRe4s3r wrote on Aug 18, 2012, 02:23:
Well with custom I mean like a dual-gpu kind of setup. Actually I am bit more optimistic that at least 1 of the new consoles is going to be pretty state-of-the-art performance wise given that the costs are recouped by games anyway. And hopefully the consoles are going to be 64bit, meaning we might finally see that leak over into the PC market, one can hope... ;p It annoys the heck of out of me no game uses my 16GB ram ;p I could INSTALL most games in my ram, for gods sake.

eRe4s3r wrote on Aug 17, 2012, 21:53:
Or maybe they build a custom gpu that completely blows anything we can buy out of the water.. point being we don't know. But what they put in that is what the next console ports will likely demand in graphic power.

Creston wrote on Aug 17, 2012, 12:43:

Thanks man.

I bit on the MSI 660 ti. 28 Dba under full load, and I actually do have a Fractal Design case, so that should be pretty much quiet as a mouse.

Creston

eRe4s3r wrote on Aug 17, 2012, 17:44:
Especially this shortly before a new console generation where we still don't know what card might match or be better than the console. Because you might want to consider this before buying a 300$ card with half the memory bandwidth of a 460gtx

eRe4s3r wrote on Aug 17, 2012, 17:44:
Especially this shortly before a new console generation where we still don't know what card might match or be better than the console. Because you might want to consider this before buying a 300$ card with half the memory bandwidth of a 460gtx

Dev wrote on Aug 17, 2012, 13:36:

Morgan19 wrote on Aug 17, 2012, 11:40:
Specifically what cards are considered "above" a 660 Ti?

In pure performance? Thats a $300 card, the $400 670 and the $500 680 are above it. As well as the 690.

Dades wrote on Aug 17, 2012, 13:56:

Creston wrote on Aug 17, 2012, 13:49:
This case is the best I've ever owned. Once you see their solution for cable management, you wonder why no other case manufacturer came up with that (though some may have, I dunno), and you'll never EVER want to go back to a case without it.

Is it different than the Define series? I like Fractal cases but their cable management sucks compared to Corsair. They use cheap rubber grommets that always fall out as you're cabling and the bottom mounted PSU almost blocks off one of the ones needed. I like everything else about them though. Corsair has probably the best cable management setups in the industry but their cooling performance is always a bit iffy despite using large fans. I think their airflow setups are just flawed somehow.

Creston wrote on Aug 17, 2012, 13:49:
This case is the best I've ever owned. Once you see their solution for cable management, you wonder why no other case manufacturer came up with that (though some may have, I dunno), and you'll never EVER want to go back to a case without it.

eunichron wrote on Aug 17, 2012, 12:53:

Dev wrote on Aug 17, 2012, 10:39:

eRe4s3r wrote on Aug 17, 2012, 10:16:
Oh my case is roomy.. I just have 6 HDD's ;p And 6 HDD's need specific HDD cooling with fans n' all.

Well for my next case I am definitely gonna go for a tower case with more width so that this problem doesn't exist.

Nope not roomy. I also have 6 hdds, my case has room for about 15 total. My hdds sit in front of speed controlled 120mm fans. Still plenty of room for graphics cards

If I ever replace it, this one caught my eye recently:
http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?S=1393&ID=2048
I like the hdd snap/lock setup, so I never have to swap wires on my hdds when upgrading them. I also like the SATA dock at the top. There's some other neat features in this case. Its all about the features with me, I don't much care how a case looks.

Those kinds of cases just look incredibly tacky to me. I have a 6 year old Antec P-180B right now, but I'm thinking of picking up a Corsair Obsidian 650D. Tons of hard drive space, tons of peripheral space, and it doesn't look like something out of a teenager's wet dream.

eunichron wrote on Aug 17, 2012, 12:53:
Those kinds of cases just look incredibly tacky to me. I have a 6 year old Antec P-180B right now, but I'm thinking of picking up a Corsair Obsidian 650D. Tons of hard drive space, tons of peripheral space, and it doesn't look like something out of a teenager's wet dream.

Morgan19 wrote on Aug 17, 2012, 11:40:
Specifically what cards are considered "above" a 660 Ti?

Dev wrote on Aug 17, 2012, 10:39:

eRe4s3r wrote on Aug 17, 2012, 10:16:
Oh my case is roomy.. I just have 6 HDD's ;p And 6 HDD's need specific HDD cooling with fans n' all.

Well for my next case I am definitely gonna go for a tower case with more width so that this problem doesn't exist.

Nope not roomy. I also have 6 hdds, my case has room for about 15 total. My hdds sit in front of speed controlled 120mm fans. Still plenty of room for graphics cards

If I ever replace it, this one caught my eye recently:
http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?S=1393&ID=2048
I like the hdd snap/lock setup, so I never have to swap wires on my hdds when upgrading them. I also like the SATA dock at the top. There's some other neat features in this case. Its all about the features with me, I don't much care how a case looks.