Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 23:36:

RailWizard wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 23:20:

Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 22:52:
You couldn't care less what kind of abuse and bullying gay gamers have to deal with.

On the internet, everybody bullies everybody. Gays just think they can leverage their new found sympathy to receive some special treatment where everybody still gets bullied except for them.

Right. Because everybody gets bullied like they do. Because bullying gays is just as unacceptable to most people as bullying blacks, hispanics, christians, jews, etc, right? What planet do you live on?

RailWizard wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 23:20:

Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 22:52:
You couldn't care less what kind of abuse and bullying gay gamers have to deal with.

On the internet, everybody bullies everybody. Gays just think they can leverage their new found sympathy to receive some special treatment where everybody still gets bullied except for them.

PHJF wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 23:04:

What are the gays willing to sacrifice? The answer seems to be nothing while insisting that everyone else make some(all?) for them.

Actually they are willing to sacrifice their lives for you in the US military... but the military doesn't want them. (I was at this point going to insult you very strongly, but thought better of it. Insert a strongly worded insult against yourself here, please. Make it extra strong.)

Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 22:52:
You couldn't care less what kind of abuse and bullying gay gamers have to deal with.

What are the gays willing to sacrifice? The answer seems to be nothing while insisting that everyone else make some(all?) for them.

Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 22:52:

Eirikrautha wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 22:20:

Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 22:09:

WarpCrow wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 21:50:

Eirikrautha wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 20:48:
And all from a simple, yet irrefutable, idea: "On the internet, they only way someone knows you are a gay gamer is if you decide it's so important that you must tell them..."

Or if you mention your SO, or if you happen to remark that someone or a character in a game is attractive, or if you mention in passing any number of things from your daily life that identify your sexuality but you have the luxury of taking all of that for granted. So yeah, if you just ignore anything but talking about games, you could probably hide it. Most people, straight and gay, don't do that, nor should they have to.

Exactly. He believes that it's ok to speak out against gays and slander and defame them all you want, because they have it coming for not hiding it well enough apparently. Yeah, he doesn't really make any sense. He sure thinks he's some kind of intellectual giant making these ridiculous arguments though.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the textbook example of the strawman logical fallacy. Tell me, oh great mind-reader, what the rest of the mere mortals here are thinking right now...

Keep dodging buddy... you've revealed your own bigotry time and again here. You couldn't care less what kind of abuse and bullying gay gamers have to deal with. You just don't like the fact that they don't hide the fact that they're gay. If incidental exposure didn't lead to all manner of abuse, they wouldn't need their "safe place". It's assholes like you that make that necessary.

Eirikrautha wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 22:20:

Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 22:09:

WarpCrow wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 21:50:

Eirikrautha wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 20:48:
And all from a simple, yet irrefutable, idea: "On the internet, they only way someone knows you are a gay gamer is if you decide it's so important that you must tell them..."

Or if you mention your SO, or if you happen to remark that someone or a character in a game is attractive, or if you mention in passing any number of things from your daily life that identify your sexuality but you have the luxury of taking all of that for granted. So yeah, if you just ignore anything but talking about games, you could probably hide it. Most people, straight and gay, don't do that, nor should they have to.

Exactly. He believes that it's ok to speak out against gays and slander and defame them all you want, because they have it coming for not hiding it well enough apparently. Yeah, he doesn't really make any sense. He sure thinks he's some kind of intellectual giant making these ridiculous arguments though.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the textbook example of the strawman logical fallacy. Tell me, oh great mind-reader, what the rest of the mere mortals here are thinking right now...

PHJF wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 22:12:

I also think it's hilarious how I'm the one deserving of derogatory labeling as the normal one condemning abnormality.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give to you: a supporter of eugenics!

Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 22:09:

WarpCrow wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 21:50:

Eirikrautha wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 20:48:
And all from a simple, yet irrefutable, idea: "On the internet, they only way someone knows you are a gay gamer is if you decide it's so important that you must tell them..."

Or if you mention your SO, or if you happen to remark that someone or a character in a game is attractive, or if you mention in passing any number of things from your daily life that identify your sexuality but you have the luxury of taking all of that for granted. So yeah, if you just ignore anything but talking about games, you could probably hide it. Most people, straight and gay, don't do that, nor should they have to.

Exactly. He believes that it's ok to speak out against gays and slander and defame them all you want, because they have it coming for not hiding it well enough apparently. Yeah, he doesn't really make any sense. He sure thinks he's some kind of intellectual giant making these ridiculous arguments though.

WarpCrow wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 21:50:

Eirikrautha wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 20:48:
And all from a simple, yet irrefutable, idea: "On the internet, they only way someone knows you are a gay gamer is if you decide it's so important that you must tell them..."

Or if you mention your SO, or if you happen to remark that someone or a character in a game is attractive, or if you mention in passing any number of things from your daily life that identify your sexuality but you have the luxury of taking all of that for granted. So yeah, if you just ignore anything but talking about games, you could probably hide it. Most people, straight and gay, don't do that, nor should they have to.

yuastnav wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 20:32:
Though homophobia is a result of morality. Without morals homophobia would not exist (for that see other animals).

I also think it's hilarious how I'm the one deserving of derogatory labeling as the normal one condemning abnormality.

WarpCrow wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 21:50:

Eirikrautha wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 20:48:
And all from a simple, yet irrefutable, idea: "On the internet, they only way someone knows you are a gay gamer is if you decide it's so important that you must tell them..."

Or if you mention your SO, or if you happen to remark that someone or a character in a game is attractive, or if you mention in passing any number of things from your daily life that identify your sexuality but you have the luxury of taking all of that for granted. So yeah, if you just ignore anything but talking about games, you could probably hide it. Most people, straight and gay, don't do that, nor should they have to.

Beamer wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 22:01:

Eirikrautha wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 21:16:

Beamer wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 20:59:
Can we all agree to block Eirikrautha? 77 posts, most of which are in this topic whining about how people that are different than him don't deserve the same rights as him.

Good guy!

Yeah! Burn the witch! I made one post and got jumped all over here. But I suppose I'm not entitled to argue my point...

BTW. Post the quote where I say "people that are different than me don't deserve the same rights as me" or be a liar.

No one said you weren't entitled to your point.
We said your point was a bad, irrational, hateful one.


That's our point. Will you say we're not entitled to it?

Eirikrautha wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 21:16:

Beamer wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 20:59:
Can we all agree to block Eirikrautha? 77 posts, most of which are in this topic whining about how people that are different than him don't deserve the same rights as him.

Good guy!

Yeah! Burn the witch! I made one post and got jumped all over here. But I suppose I'm not entitled to argue my point...

BTW. Post the quote where I say "people that are different than me don't deserve the same rights as me" or be a liar.

netnerd85 wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 13:23:
You are missing the point. Being black is normal. Being gay is normal. They happen naturally through no control of the human being. Following a religion is your choice. Being gay is not a choice. Once you realise that the rest falls into place.

Eirikrautha wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 20:48:
And all from a simple, yet irrefutable, idea: "On the internet, they only way someone knows you are a gay gamer is if you decide it's so important that you must tell them..."

Beamer wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 20:59:
Can we all agree to block Eirikrautha? 77 posts, most of which are in this topic whining about how people that are different than him don't deserve the same rights as him.

Good guy!

yuastnav wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 20:32:

Eirikrautha wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 20:20:

yuastnav wrote on Aug 11, 2012, 19:43:
Since being gay is not a question of taste but one of biology it would be advisable to drop the theories that have been falsified.
...
And don't forget: Humans are not born with a specific set of morals or ethics so no one is born a homophobe. You become one.

Actually, no human being is born gay (or straight), either. Sexual attraction is developed during puberty. There is no consensus on the origin of same-sex attraction... and there are certainly no peer reviewed studies that have identified a biological "cause" of same-sex attraction. While biology might very well play a role, you are channeling your beliefs here... not facts.

At least you admit that this is about changing other people's morals. I applaud your honesty. Why you feel qualified to impose your morality on others, I don't know...

In a world where no one cared about sexuality, we wouldn't have gaming groups dedicated to certain sexualities. But obviously some people do care.

It does not really matter when sexual attraction is developed. Every person is wired in a certain way and some of these things only take effect at a certain age. Some may be prone to fall to some illness easier than others, some are fated to develop a condition with a higher probability etc. and some are born gay, others straight, other asexual and what not.

And yes, it is about morals. There is no such thing as immorality, only morality that differs form the morality of a certain individual or a group (i.e. society).
Humans differ from animals slightly in the sense that they have reason and morals are a function of that reason. It is a credo and a curse.
Though homophobia is a result of morality. Without morals homophobia would not exist (for that see other animals).