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Crytek Shanghai Opens

Crytek has opened the Crytek Shanghai Software Co., a new studio in Shanghai, reports GamesIndustry International. Word is: "The new studio will work on CryEngine, and allow a closer relationship with customers, and potential customers, in the all important Asian market. It will also collaborate with Tencent on the company's first free-play-title, Warface."

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26. Re: Crytek Shanghai Opens Aug 9, 2012, 12:46 Creston
 
jdreyer wrote on Aug 8, 2012, 21:51:
Creston wrote on Aug 8, 2012, 17:52:
Cutter wrote on Aug 8, 2012, 15:06:
And compared to other first world nations - you know, all those evil socialist countries - it's really atrocious by comparison.


Yeah, I know. It REALLY sucks paying 9.8% taxes (Effective tax rate for 2011.) in the US for both me and my wife. I'd much rather go back to those wonderful socialist countries where I paid 45% for health care that was no better than what I have now... :-yawn-:

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Er, I'm assuming that you're talking about your Federal income tax rate, yes? But what about state taxes, local taxes, sales taxes, car taxes, property taxes, payroll taxes for SS, medicare deductions, etc. etc. Throw on top of that the cost for your medical insurance and bills and how much % does that all come out to?

The 9.8% was my effective federal income tax rate. My state income tax rate came out to less than that, since I owed less, I think it was somewhere around 6%. I pay no city or local income taxes.

That is compared to a flat 45% INCOME tax I paid in Holland at the time I left.

If you want to add other taxes: I pay 98 dollars for my tag once a year (and 85 dollars for my wife's car). My property taxes are around $2000 a year. (might be a bit more, not sure, it all comes out of an escrow account.) Sales tax in OK is 8.175%. Deductions for SS and medicare come to about... I guess around 10%.

Again, let's compare that to Holland:

In Holland, my car taxes per year were roughly a thousand dollars. It was called Road Tax at the time. My parents still live in Holland, and they say it just keeps going up every single year. (To be fair, the roads in Holland are fucking IMMACULATE. It's like driving on sheets of glass. Compared to OK, which has roads that make the ones in Senegal look nice...)
Sales tax in Holland was 20% when I left, and it's gone up again since then. Payroll taxes for social security etc was probably around the same, but here's the awesome kicker:

At the time I left, Holland had universal healthcare. It cost 38 bucks a month to have it. I, however, was considered by the wonderful socialist government to be making TOO MUCH MONEY to be allowed INTO the universal healthcare system. Obviously, universal healthcare is only for the poor people, and for all the illegals in the country.

Okay, fine. So I had to get private healthcare, which cost me around 200 bucks a month, about the same as it costs here in the US. But at least then I wouldn't have to pay the premium for the universal healthcare, right? Yeah, no. I had to pay that premium TWICE. For a healthcare plan I wasn't even ALLOWED INTO.

So for all of you who keep bleating that socialism is so fucking wonderful, and how America needs to learn from European countries, etc, there's the flipside of the medal. Yes, countries like Holland take care of you from birth to the day you die. In exchange for that care, you pay an absolutely fucking OBSCENE amount of taxes. Just think about having a 20% sales tax. Everything you buy just gets 20% added to it. EVERY SINGLE FUCKING THING.

Here in the US, yeah, I had to pay for my own healthcare for the past nine years. Total cost? 200 bucks a month. Same as I had to pay in that wonderful socialist country, but at least here I didn't have to cough up an extra 76 bucks to pay so that everyone else could have universal healthcare.

(And, btw, Holland has now scrapped the whole government-run universal healthcare plan because they finally realized it was stupid. They have a privatized healthcare system for the whole country now.)

If you want to live with the state taking care of you, fine. I'm not denying anyone that right, or that ability. But the idea that every country in the world does all these things that America refuses to do, and that they do so for absolutely nothing is just horseshit. You PAY for every single one of those privileges. Not directly, but through taxes. Every time a Canadian tries to pooh-pooh me that he has free healthcare, I ask him what his income tax rate is. When he typically says something in the 30% range, I reply back and say that mine is less than 10%. And for that 20%, I can buy myself the kind of healthcare where a smoking hot 19 year old nurse gives complimentary blowjobs every time you visit the doctor's office.

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25. Re: Crytek Shanghai Opens Aug 9, 2012, 09:59 Prez
 
America is a great country who gave a lot to the rest of the world. But your political system is definitely NOT something to be very proud of. It allowed the creation of a new kind of superpower, one that has nothing to do with democracy or the rule of law, one that uses money as a weapon and lobbies ruthlessly for the pursuit of profit and one that has transcended the power of government. Im talking about multinational conglomerate corporations. They have more money than God, they wield all the real power in the world, and they dont give TWO SHITS about socialism, democracy, or any ideals at all but to preserve the status quo and keep labour as cheap as possible.

You are absolutely correct in everything I quoted here (and much respect to you for living through what had to be very scary times in Yugoslavia). Understand though, that the political system of America (which indeed is an abysmal travesty) is different from its economic system. I used to be the guy that claimed that capitalism is THE BEST way, yadda yadda yadda, but what I've come to believe is that it really is the ONLY viable economic system for America in its current form. Having studied the subject at length, I was able to separate fact from myth when it comes to Socialism and Communism, so I understand a little more I think than the average "America, FUCK YEAH!" crowd and the "HOORAY FOR CAPITALISM!!" crowd. Still given its size and diverse makeup, I highly doubt Socialism could ever work here. Obviously it can (and does) work in other nations, but they are not us and we are not them. We are not "special", but we are different.

Having said that, any one system is better in my view than the quasi hybrid socio-capitalist system we are currently laboring under (as alluded to by Deger( EDIT: I actually meant 'jdreyer'; sorry about that) when he mentioned Social (in)Security and Medicare). With no overriding principles in how we run our economy (Are we capitalist? Are we socialist?) we end up being crushed under the weight of an unsustainable schizophrenic system of opposing forces.

As to why capitalism isn't working for us, in the interest of brevity I'll simplify my opinion down to it being over-regulation in areas where less or none is needed and under-regulation or a complete lack of regulation where it is critical.

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24. Re: Crytek Shanghai Opens Aug 9, 2012, 08:19 InBlack
 
Prez wrote on Aug 9, 2012, 06:00:
InBlack wrote on Aug 9, 2012, 04:22:
Prez wrote on Aug 8, 2012, 17:37:
Just for the record, Cutter doesn't speak for everyone (certainly not for me); I'm American and I absolutely do NOT want to live in a socialist country.

No disrespect or offense Prez, but thats because you have no idea what you are talking about. The witch-hunts of the 50s and the subsequent nearly constant propaganda have completely twisted american perceptions of what exactly socialism and communism is, and I imagine that no one even understands the concept of social-democrats.

Sorry, but your baseless assumption of me is completely wrong. I learned about socialism from traveling to socialist countries. I at least can objectively compare the the capitalist and socialist economic structures because I have experienced them first hand. Can you say the same? Next time don't be so quick to jump to conclusions about someone without any facts other than a differing opinion.

Well not exactly, I was born and raised in one actually. I witnessed the fall of socialism in Yugoslavia, then lived through the civil war that followed, where nationalist ideals on all sides took a devastating toll on the respective countries that fought for their 'independence'. Lastly I live in a country (Croatia) that has experienced the boom that western style Capitalism has brought with it, only to suffer from the aftereffects of a global depression that was caused by anglo-american finance institutions gambling with other people's money or credit. Curently we have a social-democrat prime minister in power who is trying to undo a lot of really bad concessions that the previous (very conservative) government gave to foreign investment banks . I think its too little too late and we are probably heading into a Greek scenario, but at least its something and contrary to the previous government who got rich while selling our banks to foreign Capitalists while flounting their patriotism and their love of our country. (Sound familiar?)safeguards are being put in place that this kind of shit doesnt happen again.

I didnt mean to be hostile, which is why I said no offense, but you missed that part I guess. Im not talking out of my ass here.

America is a great country who gave a lot to the rest of the world. But your political system is definitely NOT something to be very proud of. It allowed the creation of a new kind of superpower, one that has nothing to do with democracy or the rule of law, one that uses money as a weapon and lobbies ruthlessly for the pursuit of profit and one that has transcended the power of government. Im talking about multinational conglomerate corporations. They have more money than God, they wield all the real power in the world, and they dont give TWO SHITS about socialism, democracy, or any ideals at all but to preserve the status quo and keep labour as cheap as possible.

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23. Re: Crytek Shanghai Opens Aug 9, 2012, 06:40 Prez
 
Since you so DON'T want to be living in a socialist country, I'm sure you've already written the gov't and told them you won't be needing to collect your socialist benefits like Social Security and Medicare.



It's funny you mention that. My father-in-law retired wealthy ( evil monstrous, puppy-drowning bastard, I know) and actually tried to tell the government to stop sending him his social security checks because he never cashes them. The people at the government office he contacted were so confused they didn't know what to do, and eventually told him that he had to accept his checks but that he could pay more at tax time as a way to give it back. Believe it or not, there are people who don't wish to live off of other people's money.

I have absolutely no desire to take other people's money to fund my retirement (please, spare me the lectures of how it's mine because I paid in all my working life - that money was spent the second Uncle Sam took it). I am planning for my retirement and when I have enough to live on, then I will retire. Even though the pro-socialism crowd continually tells me they don't exist in America, I have one of those mythical jobs that has a retirement plan, a medical plan, matches donations to my 401k, all the bells and whistles. Funny thing is, I left a job with equally good benefits and salary to take the one I have now, despite everyone continually saying these jobs are non-existent. I have every intention through my own hard work of becoming one of those evil bastards who retires having earned everything he has on his own and not taking a government handout. If I could return my Social Security ponzi scheme checks, I would, but instead I will use them to set up a Roth IRA for my kids so they one day can be evil rich bastards too.

Or are you a man who has principles but won't live by them?

Yay, more hostile assumptions rather than rational discourse. \o/ It's almost like you guys get threatened whenever someone doesn't join in on your doom and gloom view of America. I'm doing fine; there are things wrong with America that absolutely need to get fixed but in my opinion America is the best place to live and work and get ahead. if that makes me the enemy or "clueless", then so be it. I'll retire a well-to-do clueless bastard, but at least I'll be a happy one.

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22. Re: Crytek Shanghai Opens Aug 9, 2012, 06:17 jdreyer
 
Prez wrote on Aug 9, 2012, 06:00:
InBlack wrote on Aug 9, 2012, 04:22:
Prez wrote on Aug 8, 2012, 17:37:
Just for the record, Cutter doesn't speak for everyone (certainly not for me); I'm American and I absolutely do NOT want to live in a socialist country.

No disrespect or offense Prez, but thats because you have no idea what you are talking about. The witch-hunts of the 50s and the subsequent nearly constant propaganda have completely twisted american perceptions of what exactly socialism and communism is, and I imagine that no one even understands the concept of social-democrats.

Sorry, but your baseless assumption of me is completely wrong. I learned about socialism from traveling to socialist countries. I at least can objectively compare the the capitalist and socialist economic structures because I have experienced them first hand. Can you say the same? Next time don't be so quick to jump to conclusions about someone without any facts other than a differing opinion.

Since you so DON'T want to be living in a socialist country, I'm sure you've already written the gov't and told them you won't be needing to collect your socialist benefits like Social Security and Medicare.

Or are you a man who has principles but won't live by them?
 
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21. Re: Crytek Shanghai Opens Aug 9, 2012, 06:00 Prez
 
InBlack wrote on Aug 9, 2012, 04:22:
Prez wrote on Aug 8, 2012, 17:37:
Just for the record, Cutter doesn't speak for everyone (certainly not for me); I'm American and I absolutely do NOT want to live in a socialist country.

No disrespect or offense Prez, but thats because you have no idea what you are talking about. The witch-hunts of the 50s and the subsequent nearly constant propaganda have completely twisted american perceptions of what exactly socialism and communism is, and I imagine that no one even understands the concept of social-democrats.

Sorry, but your baseless assumption of me is completely wrong. I learned about socialism from traveling to socialist countries. I at least can objectively compare the the capitalist and socialist economic structures because I have experienced them first hand. Can you say the same? Next time don't be so quick to jump to conclusions about someone without any facts other than a differing opinion.
 
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20. Re: Crytek Shanghai Opens Aug 9, 2012, 04:22 InBlack
 
Prez wrote on Aug 8, 2012, 17:37:
Just for the record, Cutter doesn't speak for everyone (certainly not for me); I'm American and I absolutely do NOT want to live in a socialist country.

No disrespect or offense Prez, but thats because you have no idea what you are talking about. The witch-hunts of the 50s and the subsequent nearly constant propaganda have completely twisted american perceptions of what exactly socialism and communism is, and I imagine that no one even understands the concept of social-democrats.

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19. Re: Crytek Shanghai Opens Aug 8, 2012, 21:51 jdreyer
 
Creston wrote on Aug 8, 2012, 17:52:
Cutter wrote on Aug 8, 2012, 15:06:
And compared to other first world nations - you know, all those evil socialist countries - it's really atrocious by comparison.


Yeah, I know. It REALLY sucks paying 9.8% taxes (Effective tax rate for 2011.) in the US for both me and my wife. I'd much rather go back to those wonderful socialist countries where I paid 45% for health care that was no better than what I have now... :-yawn-:

Creston

Er, I'm assuming that you're talking about your Federal income tax rate, yes? But what about state taxes, local taxes, sales taxes, car taxes, property taxes, payroll taxes for SS, medicare deductions, etc. etc. Throw on top of that the cost for your medical insurance and bills and how much % does that all come out to?
 
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18. Re: Crytek Shanghai Opens Aug 8, 2012, 21:17 sauron
 
Are you guys all living in the 1990s? Cause I have 2 Chinese kids working for me right now from the mainland (ie not HK or Taiwan) and they're incredibly smart and well-educated. And in my field, one of the real heavy hitter biotech companies just relocated all of their R&D from the UK to Shanghai. Not to lower costs, but because chinese universities are producing so much talent, the better to get things done.

I visited China in 94 and yep, it sure was backward then, but things have really, really changed. And no, I'm not Asian, or married to one. That's just the way things are now.
 
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17. Re: Crytek Shanghai Opens Aug 8, 2012, 19:41 Prez
 
Dmitri_M wrote on Aug 8, 2012, 19:25:
So if you're not living in America you're automatically living in a "socialist country"?

I have absolutely no idea how you go that out of what was said, but whatever.
 
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16. Re: Crytek Shanghai Opens Aug 8, 2012, 19:25 Dmitri_M
 
So if you're not living in America you're automatically living in a "socialist country"? What the fuck are you people on about. Narrow it down for the rest of us not living in 1980s cold war American cloud cuckoo land.  
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15. Re: Crytek Shanghai Opens Aug 8, 2012, 17:52 Creston
 
Cutter wrote on Aug 8, 2012, 15:06:
And compared to other first world nations - you know, all those evil socialist countries - it's really atrocious by comparison.


Yeah, I know. It REALLY sucks paying 9.8% taxes (Effective tax rate for 2011.) in the US for both me and my wife. I'd much rather go back to those wonderful socialist countries where I paid 45% for health care that was no better than what I have now... :-yawn-:

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14. Re: Crytek Shanghai Opens Aug 8, 2012, 17:37 Prez
 
Just for the record, Cutter doesn't speak for everyone (certainly not for me); I'm American and I absolutely do NOT want to live in a socialist country.  
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13. Re: Crytek Shanghai Opens Aug 8, 2012, 16:23 Draugr
 
Cutter wrote on Aug 8, 2012, 15:06:
Techie714 © wrote on Aug 8, 2012, 11:12:
Me: Hey Crytek you should have opened in the U.S. we have many talented people here & would love to have a company like yours here.

Cevat Yerli: Ummm, yea Americans want things like a living wage, workers rights, & health care...In China we pay none of that & get slave labor to boot! PROFIT FTW! *Cheap Shot*

Since when do most American workers make a living wage, have rights, and get health care insurance? China may be virtual slave labor but the US isn't that far off and most people definitely fall into the category of indentured servant. And compared to other first world nations - you know, all those evil socialist countries - it's really atrocious by comparison. But hey, who needs things like a better standard of living for themselves and their families and friends when millionaires and billionaires need those tax breaks!!!

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12. Re: Crytek Shanghai Opens Aug 8, 2012, 16:18 Chromius
 
I cant help myself.

America has been sold out from under you, globalization means profits for the rich and America going from 2nd world to a 3rd world country. Why did we bother to pass child labor laws if corporations can buy industrial complexes in a Communist Dictatorship country and pay 2 dollars per hour. Oh wait why did we bother fighting all those wars fighting communism just to hand all our industry to China. Our system was broken by the businessmen who became our public servants, who then lobbied and changed the laws to avoid any govt. tampering with large business getting away with it.

China is going to close the gap and surpass our current technology mostly because of all the tech being placed into their hands by us.

Did you all know Corporate Profits are at an all time high during Obamas administration, and they bs you with the regulations thing. GDP as wages and taking into account inflation is the lowest ever and has been on a steady fall since 1955 with wages being lower and cost of living rising, with the largest drop being the last 4 years.

Nafta trade agreement really? We were in a 24 billion trade surplus and went to a 36 billion trade deficit and let all the cheap labor come over the border. (This is the reason it happened) But investors and company who moved their businesses to Mexico profited big time while we lost jobs and wages dropped. I witnessed a 50 person factory that paid 12-15 hrly change overnight to shuttled in immigrants making min wage. The company was then sold for a massive profit the following year.

If you are currently working in a steady job with the same wages you will not see all this, the media will placate you into believing all is well. They will completely sell us out because of the debt or govt created through very bad choices.

The wars are all bs, did you know the reason the USSR fell apart was that Afghanistan broke them financially. They are not even doing anything about the poppy fields other than token efforts. Follow the money trail and the plans for the region and you will soon see the absolute truth of it.

DHS doing its job, nope its all to intimidate you. There is an FBI map on a govt site showing the almost open border with Mexico and the Mexican drug cartels have moved into every major American city. Whats the use of DHC terrorist can just smuggle in with the drugs.

Here is a recent poll you will never see on the news Recent Gallup poll on American faith in the Media is only 26% the lowest ever, and that high in my opinion as the only "truth" they give you is one sided with NO facts to substantiate it. Never mind we are ranking number 76 in the country list on freedom of speech and this is America, LOL!

Please wake up what I am stating are facts, and not off any conspiracy site, gee you can read the real financial forums and find out the whole mortgage thing was a scandal but still no US arrests, and whats with the President getting away with what 3 counts of treason vs the US never mind what hidden in the Fast and the Furious 100k of pages we will never see.

Anyway, not the right place for this, but hey Thomas Jefferson said the only way we would get through what is now taking place is to educate and have controversy and to not trust the media.

Does everyone know how immigration is supposed to work??? I lived abroad and got work permits, I know and have read many immigration sites just to see if I could get a work permit, and it is quite difficult unless you have a degree or a certain skill.

Immigration is only allowed when there are skilled job shortages! And never for things like working at mcdonalds or landscaping or any other job an unemployed citizen could do first. This drove the wages down or kept them at a minimum. Why let people come to our colleges and go to school and take jobs our citizens could do, they will accept lower wages and fill the pockets of the colleges. The biggest scam in history is taking place right before your eyes and 90% or more of Americans will not see it.

Read about some facts share the information hand out flyers if you can with key points that will wake people up. Do it for your friends and family and especially the children. You do not even have to make it about religion as it is about people and respect for each other and being somewhat ethical and moral in you daily interactions with others.

And please even if you do not want to vote vote for Romney the current lesser of two evils, it will at least buy the American people a little more time.

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11. Re: Crytek Shanghai Opens Aug 8, 2012, 15:52 theyarecomingforyou
 
Cutter wrote on Aug 8, 2012, 15:06:
Since when do most American workers make a living wage, have rights, and get health care insurance? China may be virtual slave labor but the US isn't that far off and most people definitely fall into the category of indentured servant. And compared to other first world nations - you know, all those evil socialist countries - it's really atrocious by comparison. But hey, who needs things like a better standard of living for themselves and their families and friends when millionaires and billionaires need those tax breaks!!!
I rarely agree with Cutter but... nail + head.
 
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10. Re: Crytek Shanghai Opens Aug 8, 2012, 15:06 Cutter
 
Techie714 © wrote on Aug 8, 2012, 11:12:
Me: Hey Crytek you should have opened in the U.S. we have many talented people here & would love to have a company like yours here.

Cevat Yerli: Ummm, yea Americans want things like a living wage, workers rights, & health care...In China we pay none of that & get slave labor to boot! PROFIT FTW! *Cheap Shot*

Since when do most American workers make a living wage, have rights, and get health care insurance? China may be virtual slave labor but the US isn't that far off and most people definitely fall into the category of indentured servant. And compared to other first world nations - you know, all those evil socialist countries - it's really atrocious by comparison. But hey, who needs things like a better standard of living for themselves and their families and friends when millionaires and billionaires need those tax breaks!!!

 
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9. Re: Crytek Shanghai Opens Aug 8, 2012, 12:45 El Pit
 
Soon opening in China: Krytec Studios. 1st game: CryFar.  
Consoles? I owned two: a Pong clone and an Atari 2600. And that's it.
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8. Re: Crytek Shanghai Opens Aug 8, 2012, 12:42 Tim H
 
ANd it will also allow them to pay even less money to the staff there...  
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7. Re: Crytek Shanghai Opens Aug 8, 2012, 12:13 Prez
 
Reading the first 6 replies just made my day!  
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