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68. Re: Skyrim Versus ThreatFire Aug 9, 2012, 13:17 nin
 
This is the last time I will answer your lazy and ignorant requests.


To follow up on your earlier quote:

Can you please tell me when we'll have healthcare rules relating to bearing arms, the number of children you can have, what you eat, and where you can drive, and how old you're allowed to be?

I'd like a date to make on the calendar, please.

Thanks!

 
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67. Re: Skyrim Versus ThreatFire Aug 9, 2012, 12:12 Matshock
 
Let me Google that for you: (you're going to have to stitch these together because Blues doesn't like long URLs)

www.nhs.uk/choiceintheNHS

/Rightsandpledges/Waitingtimes/Pages

/Guide%20to%20waiting%20times.asp

You have the right to start your consultant-led treatment within a maximum of 18 weeks from referral, unless you choose to wait longer, or it is clinically appropriate that you wait longer.

If it is not possible to be seen within the maximum waiting time, the primary care trust (PCT) or strategic health authority (SHA) that commissions your treatment must investigate and offer you a range of suitable alternative hospitals or community clinics that would be able to see or treat you more quickly.

But then there's this:

Patients with urgent conditions such as cancer and heart disease, will be able to be seen and receive treatment more quickly. For example, you have the right to be seen by a specialist within a maximum of two weeks from GP referral for urgent referrals where cancer is suspected.

OH, but then there's this:

Note: Referrals for investigations of breast symptoms where cancer is not initially suspected are not urgent referrals for suspected cancer, therefore, they fall outside the scope of this right.

Sorry women, you're less equal.

Oh and then there's this, the coup de grace:

Exceptions

The right to be seen within maximum waiting times does not apply:
If you choose to wait longer.
If delaying the start of your treatment is in your best clinical interests, for example where stopping smoking or losing weight is likely to improve the outcome of the treatment.
If it is clinically appropriate for your condition to be actively monitored in secondary care without clinical intervention or diagnostic procedures at that stage.
If you fail to attend appointments that you had chosen from a set of reasonable options, or
If the treatment is no longer necessary.
The following services are not covered by the right:
Non-medical consultant-led mental health services, and
Maternity services.

And let me throw in a little Liverpool Care Pathway on top:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2161869

/Top-doctors-chilling-claim-The-NHS-kills-130-000

-elderly-patients-year.html

This is the last time I will answer your lazy and ignorant requests.
 
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66. Re: Skyrim Versus ThreatFire Aug 9, 2012, 05:56 gray
 
yonder wrote on Aug 8, 2012, 11:41:
Matshock wrote on Aug 8, 2012, 10:59:
gray wrote on Aug 8, 2012, 08:08:
Matshock wrote on Aug 7, 2012, 14:16:
China's one child policy- no arms in the UK, penalties for fat people, gas is $10.00 a gallon to pay all the taxes for healthcare in the UK.


Citation please.

So as a proponent of national health care do you support the Affordable Care Act that will force you to buy health insurance from a private, for profit insurer? Or do you just plan to not work ever and be on medicade then medicare for the rest of your life? OR do you plan on making money under the table while sticking it to taxpayers for medicade/medicare?

IF you don't support the Affordable Care Act why do you trust the people that foisted it upon you to forge an equitable national health care system?

I could cite everything, but we have to pass national health care to find out what's in it, right?

Sic Semper Tyrannis.

To quote someone a few posts back: "Isn't fear mongering awesome? "I have nothing to back up these wild accusations someone on the tv/radio told me, but fuck am I scared! Quick! Everyone into the cellar!"

Or to paraphrase... g'dam you're a friggin idiot. You're way, way, way past the "it's pointless to talk to you" line.

Indeed, I politely ask for source material and get ... that.

I could cite everything, but we have to pass national health care to find out what's in it, right?

No, because I'm requesting your sources for the claims regarding the UK scheme which came into effect in 1948.

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65. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 8, 2012, 13:57 JohnnyRotten
 
jdreyer wrote on Aug 7, 2012, 15:16:
Matshock wrote on Aug 7, 2012, 14:01:

I'm not wasting time- you're a true believer

Kettle, meet Pot.

No doubt.

 
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64. Re: Skyrim Versus ThreatFire Aug 8, 2012, 11:58 Matshock
 
yonder wrote on Aug 8, 2012, 11:41:
Matshock wrote on Aug 8, 2012, 10:59:
gray wrote on Aug 8, 2012, 08:08:
Matshock wrote on Aug 7, 2012, 14:16:
China's one child policy- no arms in the UK, penalties for fat people, gas is $10.00 a gallon to pay all the taxes for healthcare in the UK.


Citation please.

So as a proponent of national health care do you support the Affordable Care Act that will force you to buy health insurance from a private, for profit insurer? Or do you just plan to not work ever and be on medicade then medicare for the rest of your life? OR do you plan on making money under the table while sticking it to taxpayers for medicade/medicare?

IF you don't support the Affordable Care Act why do you trust the people that foisted it upon you to forge an equitable national health care system?

I could cite everything, but we have to pass national health care to find out what's in it, right?

Sic Semper Tyrannis.

To quote someone a few posts back: "Isn't fear mongering awesome? "I have nothing to back up these wild accusations someone on the tv/radio told me, but fuck am I scared! Quick! Everyone into the cellar!"

Or to paraphrase... g'dam you're a friggin idiot. You're way, way, way past the "it's pointless to talk to you" line.

Burn straw man burn!

Yeah, you're right- we're pretty much done talking.

I'll see you at the polls and I'll bring all the folks from Chic-Fil-A day with me.


 
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63. Re: Skyrim Versus ThreatFire Aug 8, 2012, 11:41 yonder
 
Matshock wrote on Aug 8, 2012, 10:59:
gray wrote on Aug 8, 2012, 08:08:
Matshock wrote on Aug 7, 2012, 14:16:
China's one child policy- no arms in the UK, penalties for fat people, gas is $10.00 a gallon to pay all the taxes for healthcare in the UK.


Citation please.

So as a proponent of national health care do you support the Affordable Care Act that will force you to buy health insurance from a private, for profit insurer? Or do you just plan to not work ever and be on medicade then medicare for the rest of your life? OR do you plan on making money under the table while sticking it to taxpayers for medicade/medicare?

IF you don't support the Affordable Care Act why do you trust the people that foisted it upon you to forge an equitable national health care system?

I could cite everything, but we have to pass national health care to find out what's in it, right?

Sic Semper Tyrannis.

To quote someone a few posts back: "Isn't fear mongering awesome? "I have nothing to back up these wild accusations someone on the tv/radio told me, but fuck am I scared! Quick! Everyone into the cellar!"

Or to paraphrase... g'dam you're a friggin idiot. You're way, way, way past the "it's pointless to talk to you" line.
 
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62. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 8, 2012, 10:59 Matshock
 
gray wrote on Aug 8, 2012, 08:08:
Matshock wrote on Aug 7, 2012, 14:16:
China's one child policy- no arms in the UK, penalties for fat people, gas is $10.00 a gallon to pay all the taxes for healthcare in the UK.


Citation please.

So as a proponent of national health care do you support the Affordable Care Act that will force you to buy health insurance from a private, for profit insurer? Or do you just plan to not work ever and be on medicade then medicare for the rest of your life? OR do you plan on making money under the table while sticking it to taxpayers for medicade/medicare?

IF you don't support the Affordable Care Act why do you trust the people that foisted it upon you to forge an equitable national health care system?

I could cite everything, but we have to pass national health care to find out what's in it, right?

Sic Semper Tyrannis.
 
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61. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 8, 2012, 09:22 xXBatmanXx
 
eh, who cares. 99% of politicians are paid fakes....  
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60. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 8, 2012, 08:45 nin
 
gray wrote on Aug 8, 2012, 08:08:
Matshock wrote on Aug 7, 2012, 14:16:
China's one child policy- no arms in the UK, penalties for fat people, gas is $10.00 a gallon to pay all the taxes for healthcare in the UK.


Citation please.

Isn't fear mongering awesome? "I have nothing to back up these wild accusations someone on the tv/radio told me, but fuck am I scared! Quick! Everyone into the cellar!"

 
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59. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 8, 2012, 08:24 Mr. Tact
 
Well, someone is up for a big surprise -- because after looking around a bit, there seems to be plenty of people on both sides who think their guy has a big lead. But then again, I guess that's mostly standard isn't it?  
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58. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 8, 2012, 08:08 gray
 
Matshock wrote on Aug 7, 2012, 14:16:
China's one child policy- no arms in the UK, penalties for fat people, gas is $10.00 a gallon to pay all the taxes for healthcare in the UK.


Citation please.
 
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57. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 8, 2012, 04:10 nutshell42
 
Matshock wrote on Aug 7, 2012, 22:09:
John Kerry had it "locked up" right up until he didn't on election night.

So you're saying that Romney's in a worse position than Kerry? Interesting.


I'm still waiting for an explanation of what Obama's done to "stab Israel in the back."

In fact given the way Netanyahu has treated the administration you'd think there'd be at least some kind of retaliation. But as far as I can tell Obama just sat there and turned the other cheek.
 
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56. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 8, 2012, 02:51 Xoxotl
 
Bhruic wrote on Aug 7, 2012, 20:13:
Right now it's not even remotely close - Obama has it locked up.

Dewey Defeats Truman! Dewey Defeats Truman!
 
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55. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 8, 2012, 02:48 Xoxotl
 
Bodolza wrote on Aug 7, 2012, 15:34:
Fast and Furious: Not even an Obama program. Why are you bringing this up? You honestly think the DOJ is going to suddenly stop doing stupid stuff under a new president?

Funny, that's exactly what Obama was saying, right up to the point where he invoked Executive Privilege to prevent Congress from getting the paper trail between him and Holder regarding the release of thousands of military-grade weapons to the Mexican drug cartels and the murders of over 300 Mexican citizens and two Federal agents.

So, which is it? Was Obama lying then, or is he lying now?
 
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54. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 7, 2012, 22:09 Matshock
 
John Kerry had it "locked up" right up until he didn't on election night.

SSDD.
 
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53. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 7, 2012, 21:57 RailWizard
 
jdreyer wrote on Aug 7, 2012, 21:36:
RailWizard wrote on Aug 7, 2012, 17:49:
None of the above!

Also, like them or not, cut off support for Israel and you will have their blood on your hands as the Muslim zombie hordes engulf their tiny scrap of nothing. Seems like a shitty thing to do to an ally, then again, no one accuses the US of not being filled with self-serving assholes these days.


I see, so we have to pay them 8 billion a year for eternity?

Israel has nukes, they don't need our money.

Because with the amount of money you guys spend on other crap(military but other shit too) it's a drop in the bucket. Let's be real here, the ONLY reason anyone gives a fuck is because either A: Jew hate or B: Religious hate. The money will come right back as lobbying or campaign contributions ANYways due to your corrupt form of government.

Basically: Go ahead and pull the money, but it will change exactly nothing. You will still be two-faced, double dealing, corrupt, absolutest, tools of the empire looking for the nearest scapegoat to lay all your problems on.
 
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52. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 7, 2012, 21:45 Mr. Tact
 
Bhruic wrote on Aug 7, 2012, 20:54:
National polls are irrelevant. You don't need a national majority to win, so why bother with them? The only thing that matters are state polls. On that front, Obama is still clearly leading in sufficient "swing states" to get the electoral victory.

So yes, I am correct about how things stand right now. Again, everything is subject to change. But it's really annoying constantly hearing the media try to talk about how "close" the race is, when it's anything but.
Actually, I agree. The national polls are mostly meaningless. I wasn't clear/specific but I was talking about the state polls, hence my mentioning of the "5-10 states". I'll admit to taking the last 2 weeks off from the news. I was busy with some family business and after all there is only so much "news" a sane person can take. But unless there's been significant change in several states in the last two weeks, I think your position is overly optimistic for the President.

This is what I have seen -- when considering the margin of error, there has rarely been more than a 3% gap either way. I consider that too close to call.
 
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51. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 7, 2012, 21:36 jdreyer
 
RailWizard wrote on Aug 7, 2012, 17:49:
None of the above!

Also, like them or not, cut off support for Israel and you will have their blood on your hands as the Muslim zombie hordes engulf their tiny scrap of nothing. Seems like a shitty thing to do to an ally, then again, no one accuses the US of not being filled with self-serving assholes these days.


I see, so we have to pay them 8 billion a year for eternity?

Israel has nukes, they don't need our money.
 
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50. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 7, 2012, 20:56 RailWizard
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Aug 7, 2012, 20:42:
RailWizard wrote on Aug 7, 2012, 17:49:
None of the above!
If only that were a choice. Or there was a better choice.

Some guy off the street would do a better job. This is why I liked Ron Paul, tho obviously he's not some random off the street. He at least had the balls to say things that were not popular, not pandering to public hysteria opinion. You could do worse, and apparently, you will since americans seem to prefer shined up bullshit as opposed to brutal truth.

Bhruic wrote on Aug 7, 2012, 20:54:
But it's really annoying constantly hearing the media try to talk about how "close" the race is, when it's anything but.
Your media is completely corrupt and reprehensible. The fact you are all not up in arms about this says a lot about your collective intelligence.

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49. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 7, 2012, 20:54 Bhruic
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Aug 7, 2012, 20:42:
Most polls on both sides say it's close. The fact that 45% of the voters on both sides made their choice prior to the primaries, makes it close. The fact that 5-10 states, and only those states will be the deciding factor, make it close. I'd like to believe you are correct. I don't think you are. And even if I did, I'm not sure I would care to say it loud for fear Mr. Murphy would come a callin'.

Ok, so you go back to the polls again. National polls are irrelevant. You don't need a national majority to win, so why bother with them? The only thing that matters are state polls. On that front, Obama is still clearly leading in sufficient "swing states" to get the electoral victory.

So yes, I am correct about how things stand right now. Again, everything is subject to change. But it's really annoying constantly hearing the media try to talk about how "close" the race is, when it's anything but.
 
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