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Re: Out of the Blue |
Jul 25, 2012, 19:09 |
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Agent.X7 wrote on Jul 25, 2012, 17:10:
jdreyer wrote on Jul 25, 2012, 16:00:
Beamer wrote on Jul 25, 2012, 15:25:
5 billion wasn't designing, 5 billion was total. Not really too surprising, given that they had to make how many uniforms? A lot of that money would have been spent, anyway, even if they'd not bothered looking into new camo. Still, that seems extremely excessive. Let's assume $1b (!) for design and testing, and $4b for production. The army currently has 560,000 active soldiers but let's use 700,000 to account for rotation in and out of the army over the past few years since the design was implemented. That's about $5700 per soldier for uniforms. A full ACU is less than $100 on Amazon, and I'm sure the army gets a better deal buying in bulk, so I'm wondering where all the money went? Big Army, man. Big Army. The money gets taken back if they don't spend it and the budget gets lowered, so they spend it anyway they can. They knew from the start that the ACU was shit, but they fielded it anyway. Many, many soldiers in the sandbox have been injured and killed because ACU is a fucking walking target. It doesn't blend with anything. (Except old couch patterns.) It's not just the ACU uniform. You need to also replace ballistic vests/plate carriers, load-bearing vests, magazine and utility pouches, inclement weather clothing, patrol caps and boonies, rucksacks and combat packs, helmet covers, etc.
My unit was one of the first to get ACUs. Got issued them near the end of 2004 since we were set to deploy in Summer '05. Weren't allowed to wear them immediately, but they were instantly hated. Awful fit. Terrible "features" that offered no benefit over BDUs/DCUs.
As for blending, well, they weren't totally useless. Obviously they didn't do shit for us on Ft. Drum in upstate NY, but in theater it was hit or miss. In urban areas they didn't do too well, but it's nearly impossible to make a good urban camo anyway. They did quite a bit better out in the rural areas. The purpose of camo isn't to make invisible anyway, it's just supposed to break up your silhouette and make it harder to discern geometric shapes.
The issue wasn't that UCP didn't work well in Iraq (it actually worked decent against most Iraqi backdrops), but that it was touted as universal, which it clearly isn't as it doesn't work in temperate forested environments, like Afghanistan. Here's an example http://i.imgur.com/prTKX.jpg (that's actually my right leg on the left corner ). Obviously it's not going to work as well in close up, but if you imagine the CSM in the foreground standing 250-300m away in the background, it would be pretty difficult to make out his clear shape. |
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Jul 25, 11:46 |
Re: Out of the Blue |
PHJF |
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Jul 25, 14:55 |
Re: Out of the Blue |
jdreyer |
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Jul 25, 15:00 |
Re: Out of the Blue |
El Pit |
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Jul 25, 11:54 |
Re: Out of the Blue |
Silicon Avatar |
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Jul 25, 12:21 |
Re: Out of the Blue |
Beamer |
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Jul 25, 14:52 |
Re: Out of the Blue |
Bet |
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Jul 25, 15:14 |
Re: Out of the Blue |
jdreyer |
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Jul 25, 15:25 |
Re: Out of the Blue |
Beamer |
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Jul 25, 16:00 |
Re: Out of the Blue |
jdreyer |
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Jul 25, 17:10 |
Re: Out of the Blue |
Agent.X7 |
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Jul 25, 19:09 |
Re: Out of the Blue |
eunichron |
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Jul 25, 20:43 |
Re: Out of the Blue |
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Jul 25, 12:44 |
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Jul 25, 13:01 |
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Jul 25, 13:33 |
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Jul 25, 14:31 |
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PHJF |
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Jul 25, 15:18 |
Re: Out of the Blue |
jdreyer |
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Jul 25, 14:53 |
Re: Out of the Blue |
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Jul 25, 15:34 |
How the Dark Knight Became Dark Again |
jdreyer |
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Jul 25, 16:07 |
Rage |
jimnms |
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Jul 25, 17:11 |
Re: Rage |
Agent.X7 |
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Jul 25, 17:32 |
Hobbit |
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Jul 25, 18:42 |
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Jul 26, 11:46 |
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Jul 26, 11:54 |
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nin |
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Jul 26, 11:59 |
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Jul 26, 15:58 |
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Jul 26, 18:03 |
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Jul 26, 18:17 |
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Matshock |
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Jul 26, 18:22 |
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eunichron |
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Jul 26, 18:43 |
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Matshock |
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Jul 26, 18:29 |
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Jul 26, 19:02 |
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eunichron |
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Jul 26, 19:25 |
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Matshock |
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Jul 26, 19:13 |
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jdreyer |
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Jul 26, 00:25 |
Re: Out of the Blue |
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