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26. Re: put this in your pipe and smoke it Jul 20, 2012, 17:03 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Spaced wrote on Jul 20, 2012, 15:57:
The 'blame the wealthy' is a misdirection tactic being used by a political idealogy (used by both R's and D's historically) in order to keep and gain more power. They want you to blame your rich neighbors and direct you to vote for them and their policies so they can achieve their ultimate objectives. The reality for hiking taxes on the rich is: there aren't enough 'rich' people to make any significant changes to the course of the country. And that's exactly what they don't want you to know while they attempt to distract you and play on your envy and jealousy so you'll enthusiastically support them and what they're doing. Even if they get what they want, it won't solve even a small fraction of the problem.

For example, say they get everything they want. Lets start with the pending tax hikes on the 'rich'. Yeah, problem solved, right? They got the hike they wanted and all will be well. No, the revenue generated (about $75-80 billion) will cover about 8 days of government spending. It's a complete farse. So lets really get those 'rich' people and take everything away from them. We'll just leave them with a few dollars to eek out an existance like the rest of the 99% of us. That'll solve it, right? Nope, even if they confiscate all of it, it'll only cover spending for a few months. The math is that the top 10% pay around 70% of the entire tax bill already, even though they earn around 43% of the total income. Sliding the scale further won't make a dent in the course of the current spending path, simply because there aren't enough of them to take enough money from.

So what are they (the ones promoting the hikes) doing? That's the real question and you'll need to read history to learn what the idealogy is based on, why they are taking the steps they are, and what it -will- eventually lead to. I'm starting to doubt it will be reversible at this point, no one (not even the 'rich' Republicans) are stepping up to make the necessary changes to turn away from the approaching cliff.

Throughout history, it often starts at the top, but always works its way down through the middle class, the poor, and everyone's property/wealth until collapse. Steps like increasing taxes, Roman empire style 'debasement' (quantitative easing in modern terms), confiscation, and reclamation are merely attempts to delay the inevitable. But at most, they may gain a few months or years of survival at best.

Give it some time (probably down to within a decade or so now) and you won't have to 'worry' about those few 'rich' people any more, you'll have a whole new array of things to worry about.

I don't think anyone is saying that raising certain taxes on the rich is going to solve our problems. That's just another straw-man argument used to cut off that line of thought. It certainly won't fix the debt problems we have, but it will help. The same people who point out that "8 days of government spending" point will turn around and say we should cut some other programs that they don't like that amount to a mere few million or so. They will then say something like "there's no silver bullet and every little bit helps". Funny how that doesn't apply when you're talking about $80 billion. That $80 billion from the people who are in the top 0.1% would make a huge difference when it comes to keeping some other important programs in place.

That said, I do think the tax code needs a serious rewrite from top to bottom. It's insane right now and just makes even discussing these issues difficult because there are so many bizarre rules, loopholes, exceptions, etc. in the code that nobody is really sure what the point of any of it is anymore.

 
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  1. Jul 20, 11:45 Re: Morning Safety Dance Dev
  2. Jul 20, 12:15  Re: Morning Safety Dance Will W
  3. Jul 20, 12:23   Re: Morning Safety Dance Longswd
  7. Jul 20, 12:47    Re: Morning Safety Dance Will W
  23. Jul 20, 16:04     Re: Morning Safety Dance Dev
  24. Jul 20, 16:44      Re: Morning Safety Dance Beamer
  4. Jul 20, 12:26 put this in your pipe and smoke it space captain
  5. Jul 20, 12:35  Re: put this in your pipe and smoke it Axis
  6. Jul 20, 12:42   Re: put this in your pipe and smoke it NegaDeath
  12. Jul 20, 13:56    Re: put this in your pipe and smoke it nin
  8. Jul 20, 13:30   Re: put this in your pipe and smoke it Beamer
  11. Jul 20, 13:50    Re: put this in your pipe and smoke it RollinThundr
  13. Jul 20, 14:04     Re: put this in your pipe and smoke it Beamer
  14. Jul 20, 14:43      Re: put this in your pipe and smoke it maleitch
  15. Jul 20, 14:55       Re: put this in your pipe and smoke it Wowbagger_TIP
  16. Jul 20, 14:56       Re: put this in your pipe and smoke it NegaDeath
  18. Jul 20, 15:08        Re: put this in your pipe and smoke it Beamer
  19. Jul 20, 15:18         Re: put this in your pipe and smoke it Prez
  20. Jul 20, 15:20          Re: put this in your pipe and smoke it nin
  21. Jul 20, 15:21          Re: put this in your pipe and smoke it Beamer
  22. Jul 20, 15:57         Re: put this in your pipe and smoke it Spaced
  25. Jul 20, 16:48          Re: put this in your pipe and smoke it Beamer
>> 26. Jul 20, 17:03          Re: put this in your pipe and smoke it Wowbagger_TIP
  27. Jul 20, 17:38           Re: put this in your pipe and smoke it Spaced
  28. Jul 20, 18:13            Re: put this in your pipe and smoke it Wowbagger_TIP
  29. Jul 20, 19:15            Re: put this in your pipe and smoke it Sepharo
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