eunichron wrote on Jul 11, 2012, 17:09:
I was wrong, Valve are the saviors of PC gaming!

Krovven wrote on Jul 11, 2012, 16:13:
/facepalm. I don't think you know what IP (Intellectual Property) even means.

Narbacular Drop is an Intellectual Property. Portal is an IP. Left 4 Dead is an IP. Counter-Strike is an IP. Half-Life is an IP. These are all ORIGINAL IP's based on other game concepts.

Very little in the industry at this point is actually "original".

Your CoD example is like saying Half-Life isn't an original IP because it's a first-person shooter, and wasn't the first.

Basically at this point you are grasping at anything to support your weak argument, and you just look dumb doing it.

Companies hire people to get their creations. Sometimes they have already created something before hired, sometimes after, sometimes it's just a proof-of-concept when hired, etc. Narbacular Drop was a STUDENT project, not made by a company. They hired those students to expand on their ideas, while incorporating some of their experienced existing staff into the design process.

TF guys were just random guys, not a company, that were all hired by Valve. Counter-Strike & DoDs same thing. Turtle Rock was absorbed by Valve after years of just making stuff for Valve anyways.

So no, they are not like EA at all. They don't buy out companies then shut them down 6 months to a couple years later. Valve has NEVER done that.

So why fault a good company for hiring talented people and allowing those people to make a great living off their ideas?

Undead Scottsman wrote on Jul 11, 2012, 13:25:
"For the record" YOU are the one who brought up the metric of Portal being their most recent new IP, not me. Either it counts as a new IP or it doesn't: you can't have it both ways.

Although, to be fully honest, your stance on it's origin is pretty wrong. Narbacular Drop is not Portal. It shares none of the setting, characters, story or advanced mechanics of the Portal games, all of which were developed internally at Valve by Valve staff on Valve's payroll for Valve's use, It just shares a mechanic and nothing more.

And again, make up your mind: Do they need to make new IP's to be a real game company or do they need to put out a sequel to the game series that YOU happen to like, which is for some arbitrary reason immune to this "no new ip's means you're hardly a game company" thing.

eunichron wrote on Jul 11, 2012, 04:54:

Undead Scottsman wrote on Jul 11, 2012, 04:21:
Wait... You say they're not a gaming company because they haven't made a new IP since 2007 and then say it's a douche move they haven't put out a particular sequel?

Also, Valve was never big on 'new IP.' After Half-Life and all the way to Portal, the only new IP they released, that wasn't a new version of a preexisting mod, was Ricochet in 2000. Team Fortress, Counter-Strike, and Day of Defeat all existed prior to Valve acquiring them, and all of Valve's other releases were either NEWER versions of those mods (CS/DoD: Source) or new Half-Life sequels/addons (HL2, Ep1). It wasn't until Portal in 2007 that they put out a new, full IP that wasn't a two level tech demo.

Yes that is what I said. What is hard to understand about it? They abandoned their only original IP without finishing it, and without any confirmation that they either A.) Are working on Episode 3 (or Half-Life 3, I think it's pretty obvious that releasing Episode 3 at this point is inconceivable), or B.) Have given up on making original games of their own and instead prefer to focus on buying out/publishing mod/indie teams and improving the Steam platform.

For the record Portal is not original either. It started out as an indie release, bought out by Valve, and re-imagined as Portal. The setting changed between games, but the basic design and mechanics are essentially the same.

eunichron wrote on Jul 11, 2012, 03:02:
Not when Jason Holtman is saying, "We hardly make anything anymore." source.

Yes, I understand the quote in context is in reference to TF2, but when you consider that Valve hasn't released an original IP since 2007, I would hardly call them a game company. They're more of a publisher and tools-provider at this point.

Undead Scottsman wrote on Jul 11, 2012, 04:21:
Wait... You say they're not a gaming company because they haven't made a new IP since 2007 and then say it's a douche move they haven't put out a particular sequel?

Also, Valve was never big on 'new IP.' After Half-Life and all the way to Portal, the only new IP they released, that wasn't a new version of a preexisting mod, was Ricochet in 2000. Team Fortress, Counter-Strike, and Day of Defeat all existed prior to Valve acquiring them, and all of Valve's other releases were either NEWER versions of those mods (CS/DoD: Source) or new Half-Life sequels/addons (HL2, Ep1). It wasn't until Portal in 2007 that they put out a new, full IP that wasn't a two level tech demo.

Beelzebud wrote on Jul 11, 2012, 02:40:
Valve: Great game company, or greatest game company?

Sepharo wrote on Jul 10, 2012, 23:31:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=81259411

Valve just released a revolution in machinima, hell filmmaking, for free.

Sepharo wrote on Jul 10, 2012, 23:31:
Valve just released a revolution in machinima, hell filmmaking, for free.