Dev wrote on Jun 25, 2012, 21:04:

mag wrote on Jun 25, 2012, 20:15:
I'm kind of afraid of what they'll do to the pyro. Pyro and spy are my two most-played classes.

Why do you think they are doing anything to the pyro? It already got the class updates (which is where the flare gun came from) long long ago. Wasn't it one of the first ones to do so?

eunichron wrote on Jun 25, 2012, 17:09:

I haven't played TF2 for years, is it even worth playing now that it's a F2P hat simulator?

Wildone wrote on Jun 25, 2012, 17:38:
And its a bit late in the game for a 'meet the..' anything..games been out for so long now its redundant.

mag wrote on Jun 25, 2012, 20:15:
I'm kind of afraid of what they'll do to the pyro. Pyro and spy are my two most-played classes. Spy's hard enough now that most people have learned to spy check everyone and everything, so I don't want the pyro to get better.

On the other hand, I rather love my degreaser+compression blast+flare gun. I can dominate with that. Please don't take it away.

mag wrote on Jun 25, 2012, 20:15:
I'm kind of afraid of what they'll do to the pyro. Pyro and spy are my two most-played classes.

Shok wrote on Jun 25, 2012, 14:47:
I always loved using the flare gun to annoy and kill snipers on 2fort. Maybe I'll play some more TF2 this week if the new pyro changes are cool.

Wildone wrote on Jun 25, 2012, 17:37:
Spys are pretty useless except for sapping stuff, and they always die/get killed in the process. As a career pyro I spy check EVERRRRRRYOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEE

Wildone wrote on Jun 25, 2012, 17:38:
And its a bit late in the game for a 'meet the..' anything..games been out for so long now its redundant.

theyarecomingforyou wrote on Jun 25, 2012, 17:38:

Pigeon wrote on Jun 25, 2012, 17:12:
Spy is definitely one of the harder classes to master, and it really depends on how alert the other team is, and how good your team is at providing enough of a distraction for you to slip through the lines and cause some damage.

If any class is a newb class its pyro, you can run in and set everything on fire and die and maybe get some assists because you set everything on fire. But it still takes skill to master, I don't see too many real good pyros, but when I do they're pretty devastating.

Exactly. I very rarely play as spy because I don't find it enjoyable. It takes a lot of time and effort to master when every other class is considerably more fun.

Pigeon wrote on Jun 25, 2012, 17:12:
Spy is definitely one of the harder classes to master, and it really depends on how alert the other team is, and how good your team is at providing enough of a distraction for you to slip through the lines and cause some damage.

If any class is a newb class its pyro, you can run in and set everything on fire and die and maybe get some assists because you set everything on fire. But it still takes skill to master, I don't see too many real good pyros, but when I do they're pretty devastating.

Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Jun 25, 2012, 16:01:

TychoCelchuuu wrote on Jun 25, 2012, 15:16:

Verno wrote on Jun 25, 2012, 15:14:

deqer wrote on Jun 25, 2012, 14:42:
Although their "Meet the *" videos are nice, the game TF2 still remains to be overly balanced to the point of being handicapped with it's newbie classes like Spy, or it's random critical hits mechanism; it's just so boring now because there is no sense of skill or control or dominance when you have so many shit random factors like that in the game.

Hahaha come on, in what universe is Spy a newbie class? It is one of the most difficult classes to play effectively and requires a lot of foresight and strategy. Opposition teams are well trained to shoot first on many servers so you have to effectively imitate other players, their routes and know where what class will be when which requires a well rounded understanding of class balance in general. You also need good timing and instinct to pick your goals to best help the team, not to mention a bit of luck.

deqer's definition of a newbie class is probably "whichever class usually kills me in something that I think wasn't a fair fight." He probably imagines that spies just walk around cloaked or disguised, killing whoever they want instantly with bacstabs.

No kidding. I've tried playing a spy occasionally, but I've found that I don't have the patience for it. It really is a difficult class to play well. I see lots of really lousy spies though, and they tend to get repeatedly killed in humiliating ways on most servers

TychoCelchuuu wrote on Jun 25, 2012, 15:16:

Verno wrote on Jun 25, 2012, 15:14:

deqer wrote on Jun 25, 2012, 14:42:
Although their "Meet the *" videos are nice, the game TF2 still remains to be overly balanced to the point of being handicapped with it's newbie classes like Spy, or it's random critical hits mechanism; it's just so boring now because there is no sense of skill or control or dominance when you have so many shit random factors like that in the game.

Hahaha come on, in what universe is Spy a newbie class? It is one of the most difficult classes to play effectively and requires a lot of foresight and strategy. Opposition teams are well trained to shoot first on many servers so you have to effectively imitate other players, their routes and know where what class will be when which requires a well rounded understanding of class balance in general. You also need good timing and instinct to pick your goals to best help the team, not to mention a bit of luck.

deqer's definition of a newbie class is probably "whichever class usually kills me in something that I think wasn't a fair fight." He probably imagines that spies just walk around cloaked or disguised, killing whoever they want instantly with bacstabs.