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Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise

Former baseball star Curt Schilling was interviewed this morning on the Dennis & Callahan sports radio show on WEEI in Boston in the first such appearance since the demise of 38 Studios, the developer he founded. Boston.com quotes some of the conversation where Schilling spoke of investing all of his personal assets into the company while never a penny back out. He also says his former employees "have every right to be upset" as they were "blindsided" by the studio's closure after he promised a month or two of advance warning, admitting he "bombed on that one in epic fashion." He also describes the last ditch effort to save the company that failed because Rhode Island refused to go along with the plan, and addresses accusations that his acceptance of tax credits and loan guarantees from the state were hypocritical in light of his outspoken conservative viewpoints: "I don't know how that correlates to this. I don’t have any problem with government helping entrepreneurs and businesses." Thanks JJ.

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105. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 24, 2012, 22:26 Mr. Tact
 
No matter which side of the spectrum you are on the situation we face in the November election is somewhat alarming.

Basically, somewhere between 45% and 48% of the voters on each side are going to vote for their candidate no matter what. That means the remaining 4-10% will decide the election. But it's worse than that. Because some states barring a cataclysm will also go one way or the other. So, really it's only the 4-10% in some states. It really makes you think Winston Churchill got it exactly right, "Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried."
 
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104. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 24, 2012, 21:35 Prez
 
Damn you Sepharo! As a bit of student of Feudal Japan, I have to admit I am a tad embarrassed about not knowing about the Obama clan.

Did Japan lose due to socialism and fiscal irresponsibility then?

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103. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 24, 2012, 20:15 Sepharo
 
Prez wrote on Jun 24, 2012, 20:06:
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[H]e has his own faction in Shogun Total War!

http://www.getgamesgo.com/product/total-war-shogun-2-sots-obama-faction

This has to be some kind of joke. In case it gets taken down, here's what the blurb reads:

The Obama Faction Pack
The Obama Faction Pack includes a new playable faction for use in Total War: SHOGUN 2 - Fall of the Samurai.

With long experience of government and administration, the authoritarian people of Obama are unsurpassed in controlling people and trade.

Eh Obama is a Japanese name too. But you're right there's probably some tongue in cheek there.
 
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102. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 24, 2012, 20:06 Prez
 
Deleted.

Political discussions, while occasionally interesting, are ultimately pointless. We all believe what we believe, and are going to vote the way we choose regardless of how many talking points we bandy about.

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101. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 24, 2012, 18:47 Wowbagger_TIP
 
jdreyer wrote on Jun 24, 2012, 17:53:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 19:15:
I can't think of much of anything that Romney would do that would be any better than Obama. I can think of plenty of things that he'd do that would be worse, given what we heard from him during the primaries. I'm no fan of either, but given the choice, I'd rather vote for Obama. He's just the lesser evil in this case.

THIS EXACTLY.

Obama is an intelligent, pragmatic moderate centrist. There are some liberal things he does like Lilly Ledbetter. There are some compassionate things he does like deprioritizing illegal immigrant children deportations (children who are Americans in all but name and not here due to any fault of their own). There some centrist things he does like supporting gay marriage (after more than 50% of the population came out in support). There are some conservative things he does like implementing a Republican healthcare law (all private, no public option, no single payer). And there are some very neocon things he does: order the execution (not capture) of OBL. Increasing the defense budget. Expanding the war in Afghanistan. Expanding illegal monitoring of his own citizens even more than Bush. Supporting an attack on Libya in an illegal war. Killing American citizens without due process. Ordering the creation of viruses to destroy Iran's infrastructure, something if done to use would be an act of war.

Romney's administration would be a disaster. His budget would drastically increase spending while slashing revenues adding trillions to the debt, which is typical during Republican administrations, despite their claim of being fiscally conservative. Romney has said he would bypass congress to start war with Iran, showing he gained no lessons from our debacle in Iraq.

Yes, it just shows that that is how deep the ridiculous "sports team" mindset goes. People will engage in all sorts of mental gymnastics to condemn the "other guy" for things that they would applaud if they were done by someone on their team. It's just so utterly stupid, but that seems to be how the majority of the country sees things.

I assume that's why people like RT here will make all sorts of claims, but not back them up with actual substance. They usually form the opinion first (often cribbed from pundits), and then their confirmation bias takes over to rationalize it. This is why he had no evidence to point to. Even he isn't sure why he believes what he does, as he just has anecdotes and hearsay to support it.
 
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100. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 24, 2012, 18:17 RollinThundr
 
jdreyer wrote on Jun 24, 2012, 17:53:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 19:15:

Romney's administration would be a disaster. His budget would drastically increase spending while slashing revenues adding trillions to the debt, which is typical during Republican administrations, despite their claim of being fiscally conservative. Romney has said he would bypass congress to start war with Iran, showing he gained no lessons from our debacle in Iraq.

So basically he'd be another Barry is what you're saying? Personally I don't like either of them to be honest with you, but 4 more years of Obama's ineptness as a leader is 4 years too many.

So its ok to put boots on the ground in Libya to hand hold France and the UK getting oil. But it's not ok to prevent Iran, who is quite honestly our biggest threat in the middle east from having nukes. ok..

 
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99. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 24, 2012, 17:53 jdreyer
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 19:15:
I can't think of much of anything that Romney would do that would be any better than Obama. I can think of plenty of things that he'd do that would be worse, given what we heard from him during the primaries. I'm no fan of either, but given the choice, I'd rather vote for Obama. He's just the lesser evil in this case.

THIS EXACTLY.

Obama is an intelligent, pragmatic moderate centrist. There are some liberal things he does like Lilly Ledbetter. There are some compassionate things he does like deprioritizing illegal immigrant children deportations (children who are Americans in all but name and not here due to any fault of their own). There some centrist things he does like supporting gay marriage (after more than 50% of the population came out in support). There are some conservative things he does like implementing a Republican healthcare law (all private, no public option, no single payer). And there are some very neocon things he does: order the execution (not capture) of OBL. Increasing the defense budget. Expanding the war in Afghanistan. Expanding illegal monitoring of his own citizens even more than Bush. Supporting an attack on Libya in an illegal war. Killing American citizens without due process. Ordering the creation of viruses to destroy Iran's infrastructure, something if done to use would be an act of war.

Romney's administration would be a disaster. His budget would drastically increase spending while slashing revenues adding trillions to the debt, which is typical during Republican administrations, despite their claim of being fiscally conservative. Romney has said he would bypass congress to start war with Iran, showing he gained no lessons from our debacle in Iraq.
 
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98. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 24, 2012, 17:20 jdreyer
 
Prez wrote on Jun 24, 2012, 08:19:
I lived in the inner city most of my life before moving to a quiet little town in Tennessee. I have also lived in one depressed rural areas where unemployment is high as well in central PA. While what I have is purely anecdotal, I have seen first-hand in these areas welfare fraud so prevalent that it is virtually institutionalized fraud. It is so ingrained in the culture that people believe that they can just sit around and be paid by the commonwealth indefinitely with never a thought about where the money comes from. I'm talking 3rd generation welfare recipients that are born and raised into a culture where a job is something someone else needs to eat and live.

The reason I don't get bent out of shape about it is two-fold. First, given that these people are essentially the product of a failed "nanny state" initiative, it is not their fault - it's the fault of the government and society at large that created the dependency in the first place. Secondly, census data shows that at any given time, there are about 1 to 2 million welfare recipients in America. While that's probably too many, given that it's less than 1 percent of the country's population and a great many of that number are certainly not abusing the system, the number almost ends up being too small to worry about.

Well said, Prez. Welfare used to be abused a lot more, but was reformed under Clinton and the Repub congress in order to force more people to get a job. At the time, liberals wrung their hands about all the people who would be thrown off the rolls and starve to death, but it really did get people to get jobs and reduce the rolls. Right now however, we're in the worst recession since the 1920s, and the rolls have understandably swollen. No system is perfect, but the once we have right now is much better and more efficient than it was 15 years ago.
 
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97. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 24, 2012, 12:55 Stormsinger
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Jun 24, 2012, 12:45:
RollinThundr wrote on Jun 24, 2012, 12:12:
Dades wrote on Jun 24, 2012, 10:47:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Jun 24, 2012, 02:09:
I'm simply asking what you're basing your beliefs on this subject on. I don't think that's too much to ask, do you?

He retreats from details at every opportunity and speaks in vague, second hand talking points. I'm starting to doubt he even has beliefs of his choosing. This is the danger of politics really, people so intensely fervent yet they can't even explain how they arrived at that basis. It's yours, own it!

Prez wrote on Jun 24, 2012, 08:19:
The reason I don't get bent out of shape about it is two-fold. First, given that these people are essentially the product of a failed "nanny state" initiative, it is not their fault - it's the fault of the government and society at large that created the dependency in the first place. Secondly, census data shows that at any given time, there are about 1 to 2 million welfare recipients in America. While that's probably too many, given that it's less than 1 percent of the country's population and a great many of that number are certainly not abusing the system, the number almost ends up being too small to worry about.

Precisely. If only people got that worked up over banking deregulation or our burgeoning military spending. I lean pretty far toward the right but we have many people with their political priorities all out of whack. Political tit for tat is the name of the game. People no longer seem to actually understand the things they rail against. It's not about oh I hate the idea of healthcare because insert reason here, its about hating healthcare because the other party likes it. People aren't even in the drivers seat anymore, they form their beliefs based on the oppositions actions, its disgusting.

How is pointing you to google's many cases vague? Listen, you folks can enjoy your nanny state initiatives, and let me know when Barry sends you a mortgage check. I'm over it at this point.
I already told you why. Because those cases don't tell us the extent of the issue or how it affects the budget and economy. I can point to cases of all sorts of crime, but without knowing the statistics behind it, we don't know how bad the problem is. You seem to be going off your gut rather than facts. I certainly don't like the idea of people getting a free ride on my tax dollars either, but I'm looking for the facts about the extent of the problem, not a bunch of ranting, assumptions, and Google anecdotes which seems to be all you're willing to provide.

Unless you'd like to provide us with some evidence that supports your belief that this is such a huge issue, I don't see any reason to continue this. At this point, I don't think you're being even remotely rational.

There never has been any real evidence of the Cadillac-driving welfare queens, you know. And that's all this rant has been, a regurgitation of old, worn-out propaganda. No evidence whatsoever, just complaints about the "other" stealing from him. Straight from Faux News and Limbaugh, style and all.
 
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96. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 24, 2012, 12:45 Wowbagger_TIP
 
RollinThundr wrote on Jun 24, 2012, 12:12:
Dades wrote on Jun 24, 2012, 10:47:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Jun 24, 2012, 02:09:
I'm simply asking what you're basing your beliefs on this subject on. I don't think that's too much to ask, do you?

He retreats from details at every opportunity and speaks in vague, second hand talking points. I'm starting to doubt he even has beliefs of his choosing. This is the danger of politics really, people so intensely fervent yet they can't even explain how they arrived at that basis. It's yours, own it!

Prez wrote on Jun 24, 2012, 08:19:
The reason I don't get bent out of shape about it is two-fold. First, given that these people are essentially the product of a failed "nanny state" initiative, it is not their fault - it's the fault of the government and society at large that created the dependency in the first place. Secondly, census data shows that at any given time, there are about 1 to 2 million welfare recipients in America. While that's probably too many, given that it's less than 1 percent of the country's population and a great many of that number are certainly not abusing the system, the number almost ends up being too small to worry about.

Precisely. If only people got that worked up over banking deregulation or our burgeoning military spending. I lean pretty far toward the right but we have many people with their political priorities all out of whack. Political tit for tat is the name of the game. People no longer seem to actually understand the things they rail against. It's not about oh I hate the idea of healthcare because insert reason here, its about hating healthcare because the other party likes it. People aren't even in the drivers seat anymore, they form their beliefs based on the oppositions actions, its disgusting.

How is pointing you to google's many cases vague? Listen, you folks can enjoy your nanny state initiatives, and let me know when Barry sends you a mortgage check. I'm over it at this point.
I already told you why. Because those cases don't tell us the extent of the issue or how it affects the budget and economy. I can point to cases of all sorts of crime, but without knowing the statistics behind it, we don't know how bad the problem is. You seem to be going off your gut rather than facts. I certainly don't like the idea of people getting a free ride on my tax dollars either, but I'm looking for the facts about the extent of the problem, not a bunch of ranting, assumptions, and Google anecdotes which seems to be all you're willing to provide.

Unless you'd like to provide us with some evidence that supports your belief that this is such a huge issue, I don't see any reason to continue this. At this point, I don't think you're being even remotely rational.
 
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95. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 24, 2012, 12:37 Dades
 
Own your opinions, you keep using a bunch of talking points I could have cherry picked from fox news. Nanny state, liberal, Obamacare, welfare fraud, derp derp we can get that from shitty news websites. Telling people to google things is lazy and just tells other people that you didn't form your own opinions. Maybe you would help them understand what you're talking about if you actually gave them actual information to work with.

How is welfare fraud even the slightest bit important when it is a literal drop in the ocean in terms of our budgetary problems? It is a talking point to blame liberals for perceived new age laziness in our workforce, nothing more. Where's the substance? Fiscal conservatism doesn't mean shedding all government programs and supplements.
 
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94. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 24, 2012, 12:12 RollinThundr
 
Dades wrote on Jun 24, 2012, 10:47:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Jun 24, 2012, 02:09:
I'm simply asking what you're basing your beliefs on this subject on. I don't think that's too much to ask, do you?

He retreats from details at every opportunity and speaks in vague, second hand talking points. I'm starting to doubt he even has beliefs of his choosing. This is the danger of politics really, people so intensely fervent yet they can't even explain how they arrived at that basis. It's yours, own it!

Prez wrote on Jun 24, 2012, 08:19:
The reason I don't get bent out of shape about it is two-fold. First, given that these people are essentially the product of a failed "nanny state" initiative, it is not their fault - it's the fault of the government and society at large that created the dependency in the first place. Secondly, census data shows that at any given time, there are about 1 to 2 million welfare recipients in America. While that's probably too many, given that it's less than 1 percent of the country's population and a great many of that number are certainly not abusing the system, the number almost ends up being too small to worry about.

Precisely. If only people got that worked up over banking deregulation or our burgeoning military spending. I lean pretty far toward the right but we have many people with their political priorities all out of whack. Political tit for tat is the name of the game. People no longer seem to actually understand the things they rail against. It's not about oh I hate the idea of healthcare because insert reason here, its about hating healthcare because the other party likes it. People aren't even in the drivers seat anymore, they form their beliefs based on the oppositions actions, its disgusting.

How is pointing you to google's many cases vague? Listen, you folks can enjoy your nanny state initiatives, and let me know when Barry sends you a mortgage check. I'm over it at this point.
 
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93. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 24, 2012, 10:47 Dades
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Jun 24, 2012, 02:09:
I'm simply asking what you're basing your beliefs on this subject on. I don't think that's too much to ask, do you?

He retreats from details at every opportunity and speaks in vague, second hand talking points. I'm starting to doubt he even has beliefs of his choosing. This is the danger of politics really, people so intensely fervent yet they can't even explain how they arrived at that basis. It's yours, own it!

Prez wrote on Jun 24, 2012, 08:19:
The reason I don't get bent out of shape about it is two-fold. First, given that these people are essentially the product of a failed "nanny state" initiative, it is not their fault - it's the fault of the government and society at large that created the dependency in the first place. Secondly, census data shows that at any given time, there are about 1 to 2 million welfare recipients in America. While that's probably too many, given that it's less than 1 percent of the country's population and a great many of that number are certainly not abusing the system, the number almost ends up being too small to worry about.

Precisely. If only people got that worked up over banking deregulation or our burgeoning military spending. I lean pretty far toward the right but we have many people with their political priorities all out of whack. Political tit for tat is the name of the game. People no longer seem to actually understand the things they rail against. It's not about oh I hate the idea of healthcare because insert reason here, its about hating healthcare because the other party likes it. People aren't even in the drivers seat anymore, they form their beliefs based on the oppositions actions, its disgusting.

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92. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 24, 2012, 08:19 Prez
 
I lived in the inner city most of my life before moving to a quiet little town in Tennessee. I have also lived in one depressed rural areas where unemployment is high as well in central PA. While what I have is purely anecdotal, I have seen first-hand in these areas welfare fraud so prevalent that it is virtually institutionalized fraud. It is so ingrained in the culture that people believe that they can just sit around and be paid by the commonwealth indefinitely with never a thought about where the money comes from. I'm talking 3rd generation welfare recipients that are born and raised into a culture where a job is something someone else needs to eat and live.

The reason I don't get bent out of shape about it is two-fold. First, given that these people are essentially the product of a failed "nanny state" initiative, it is not their fault - it's the fault of the government and society at large that created the dependency in the first place. Secondly, census data shows that at any given time, there are about 1 to 2 million welfare recipients in America. While that's probably too many, given that it's less than 1 percent of the country's population and a great many of that number are certainly not abusing the system, the number almost ends up being too small to worry about.
 
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91. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 24, 2012, 02:09 Wowbagger_TIP
 
RollinThundr wrote on Jun 24, 2012, 02:03:
I think it comes from doing IT in a school system and watching kids get constantly coddled left and right. The administration is more worried about bullying rather than actual teaching most of the time.

Not only that but they tend to put the cart before the horse often, most of the computers in this system are nearly 10 years old, years out of warranty, but instead of trying to get grants or using the money in the budget to replace them, they'd rather spend it on infocus projectors and shit like that, that said machines can barely function while using. Constantly using the mantra of "21st century technology!" um no sorry your Pentium 3 800 mhz machines are not 21st century technology.

Dude google is your friend, there's tons and tons and tons of documented welfare fraud out there.

Your guess is as good as mine as to what a solution would be, however between loopholes in the welfare system and loopholes in our current tax code the route we're currently going is not sustainable. We'll end up a Greece type of situation eventually, it's only a matter of time no matter what party is running the show.

I'm sure there are schools that have screwed up spending priorities. That's not what I'm trying to discuss right now.

I know I can find all kinds of stuff with Google. I'm asking where you, specifically, got the information that has you so riled up about this. You just refuse to provide it. From what you say, it's like you've read some stories about welfare fraud, and seen kids get "coddled", whatever that means. I'm sure there are lots of cases of welfare fraud, but you haven't given me any reason to believe that they make up anything like a significant percentage of welfare recipients or spending. Yet you seem to think there is some sort of epidemic that is a threat to our economy.

I'm simply asking what you're basing your beliefs on this subject on. I don't think that's too much to ask, do you?
 
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90. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 24, 2012, 02:03 RollinThundr
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Jun 24, 2012, 00:37:
RollinThundr wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 23:05:
Do a google search for welfare fraud, look at the 1000's of cases. To pretend it happens to little that it's insignificant is silly. I've said more than a couple times in this thread I have no problem with helping people via social programs that really need it and who do their best to contribute back into the system.
Looking at cases doesn't tell me where you're getting your statistics from. You seem to think it's a large problem. Why do you believe that? Where do you get the numbers? How many cases are there? What percentage are they of the whole?

Then, there's also the question about what to do about it. Are there sensible fixes that can be put into place to improve the system without turning it into a bureaucratic nightmare that is so top-heavy with red tape and layers of review that it becomes a textbook example of an inefficient government program? Can we fix it in ways that don't cost more than they're worth, and don't screw over the people that actually need the help? All your ranting about liberals so far has addressed none of this.


RollinThundr wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 23:05:
I just can't stand the entitlement/PC mentality we have now in the US however. Granted since liberals pretty much run most of the public school systems at this point, I can't say I should be too surprised.
Right, because liberals love welfare fraud. They don't care how many people are mooching off the system, they just want everyone to have whatever they want for free. You really need to get off this kick of generalizing about the beliefs of this vaguely defined group you call "liberals". I notice you weren't too keen on the generalizations about conservatives earlier either. Maybe you should think about it a bit before you slap labels on people. I wonder if you'd consider me a liberal? I mean, we obviously do disagree on some things...

I think it comes from doing IT in a school system and watching kids get constantly coddled left and right. The administration is more worried about bullying rather than actual teaching most of the time.

Not only that but they tend to put the cart before the horse often, most of the computers in this system are nearly 10 years old, years out of warranty, but instead of trying to get grants or using the money in the budget to replace them, they'd rather spend it on infocus projectors and shit like that, that said machines can barely function while using. Constantly using the mantra of "21st century technology!" um no sorry your Pentium 3 800 mhz machines are not 21st century technology.

Dude google is your friend, there's tons and tons and tons of documented welfare fraud out there.

Your guess is as good as mine as to what a solution would be, however between loopholes in the welfare system and loopholes in our current tax code the route we're currently going is not sustainable. We'll end up a Greece type of situation eventually, it's only a matter of time no matter what party is running the show.
 
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89. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 24, 2012, 00:37 Wowbagger_TIP
 
RollinThundr wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 23:05:
Do a google search for welfare fraud, look at the 1000's of cases. To pretend it happens to little that it's insignificant is silly. I've said more than a couple times in this thread I have no problem with helping people via social programs that really need it and who do their best to contribute back into the system.
Looking at cases doesn't tell me where you're getting your statistics from. You seem to think it's a large problem. Why do you believe that? Where do you get the numbers? How many cases are there? What percentage are they of the whole?

Then, there's also the question about what to do about it. Are there sensible fixes that can be put into place to improve the system without turning it into a bureaucratic nightmare that is so top-heavy with red tape and layers of review that it becomes a textbook example of an inefficient government program? Can we fix it in ways that don't cost more than they're worth, and don't screw over the people that actually need the help? All your ranting about liberals so far has addressed none of this.


RollinThundr wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 23:05:
I just can't stand the entitlement/PC mentality we have now in the US however. Granted since liberals pretty much run most of the public school systems at this point, I can't say I should be too surprised.
Right, because liberals love welfare fraud. They don't care how many people are mooching off the system, they just want everyone to have whatever they want for free. You really need to get off this kick of generalizing about the beliefs of this vaguely defined group you call "liberals". I notice you weren't too keen on the generalizations about conservatives earlier either. Maybe you should think about it a bit before you slap labels on people. I wonder if you'd consider me a liberal? I mean, we obviously do disagree on some things...
 
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88. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 23, 2012, 23:53 Dades
 
People commit fraud via tax credits all the time but we don't do away with that whole system either. The entitlement mentality seems to run in both parties as per this discussion. Ranting about the Liberals as if they were one big party who all voted the same way on every issue is tripe.  
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87. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 23, 2012, 23:05 RollinThundr
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 22:20:
RollinThundr wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 21:10:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 19:12:
RollinThundr wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 17:35:
descender wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 17:31:
Capitalism is the way to live prosperous? Greece went bankrupt because of capitalism. Spain went bankrupt because of capitalism. The entire Euro Zone is going to collapse because of capitalism.

Capitalism creates divide, nothing more. Haves and have nots. That's a better life?

Not everyone using the public systems available to them are "leeching. Yes, leechers should be dealt with. Most people use those systems to vault back into the mediocrity of the lower middle class.

Go capitalism.!

Greece wasn't/isn't capitalistic.

I didn't call everyone a leech, but to pretend there isn't many out there abusing the system is flat out laughable.

Are you ever going to provide any actual evidence for this massive number of leeches that you keep talking about? How many are there? How much are they consuming? You want to cut all these services, but you haven't actually shown any reason to cut them, nor any rationale for how much they could be cut without essentially throwing more people out into the street than we already have.

I see plenty of people living on the street around here. They don't seem to be getting much in the way of help either. Not more than they can fit in their shopping carts or trash bags anyway. Where are you getting your info from?

I never said I wanted to cut all of it, I said fix the loop holes so people that ARE CAPABLE OF WORKING. Who refuse to can't take advantage forever.

(edit) I didn't mean you want to cut all services, but that you want to cut a variety of services. I'm asking you to provide evidence for this massive fraud that you're talking about. You keep claiming that there's so many people just living high on the hog on the backs of taxpayers. Where's your evidence? Which specific loopholes are you referring to?

RollinThundr wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 21:10:
I'm sorry that that idea doesn't mesh with the bleeding heart liberal utopia of the rich paying for everyone else to live. Real life doesn't work that way.

Then you have someone say that hard work doesn't get you anything. Which is another line of flatout bullshit. Stop being entitled brats and earn a life.
And this is just a bunch of non sequitur crap that has nothing to do with my question.

Do a google search for welfare fraud, look at the 1000's of cases. To pretend it happens to little that it's insignificant is silly. I've said more than a couple times in this thread I have no problem with helping people via social programs that really need it and who do their best to contribute back into the system.

I just can't stand the entitlement/PC mentality we have now in the US however. Granted since liberals pretty much run most of the public school systems at this point, I can't say I should be too surprised.
 
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RollinThundr wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 21:10:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 19:12:
RollinThundr wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 17:35:
descender wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 17:31:
Capitalism is the way to live prosperous? Greece went bankrupt because of capitalism. Spain went bankrupt because of capitalism. The entire Euro Zone is going to collapse because of capitalism.

Capitalism creates divide, nothing more. Haves and have nots. That's a better life?

Not everyone using the public systems available to them are "leeching. Yes, leechers should be dealt with. Most people use those systems to vault back into the mediocrity of the lower middle class.

Go capitalism.!

Greece wasn't/isn't capitalistic.

I didn't call everyone a leech, but to pretend there isn't many out there abusing the system is flat out laughable.

Are you ever going to provide any actual evidence for this massive number of leeches that you keep talking about? How many are there? How much are they consuming? You want to cut all these services, but you haven't actually shown any reason to cut them, nor any rationale for how much they could be cut without essentially throwing more people out into the street than we already have.

I see plenty of people living on the street around here. They don't seem to be getting much in the way of help either. Not more than they can fit in their shopping carts or trash bags anyway. Where are you getting your info from?

I never said I wanted to cut all of it, I said fix the loop holes so people that ARE CAPABLE OF WORKING. Who refuse to can't take advantage forever.

(edit) I didn't mean you want to cut all services, but that you want to cut a variety of services. I'm asking you to provide evidence for this massive fraud that you're talking about. You keep claiming that there's so many people just living high on the hog on the backs of taxpayers. Where's your evidence? Which specific loopholes are you referring to?

RollinThundr wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 21:10:
I'm sorry that that idea doesn't mesh with the bleeding heart liberal utopia of the rich paying for everyone else to live. Real life doesn't work that way.

Then you have someone say that hard work doesn't get you anything. Which is another line of flatout bullshit. Stop being entitled brats and earn a life.
And this is just a bunch of non sequitur crap that has nothing to do with my question.

This comment was edited on Jun 23, 2012, 22:47.
 
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