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Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise

Former baseball star Curt Schilling was interviewed this morning on the Dennis & Callahan sports radio show on WEEI in Boston in the first such appearance since the demise of 38 Studios, the developer he founded. Boston.com quotes some of the conversation where Schilling spoke of investing all of his personal assets into the company while never a penny back out. He also says his former employees "have every right to be upset" as they were "blindsided" by the studio's closure after he promised a month or two of advance warning, admitting he "bombed on that one in epic fashion." He also describes the last ditch effort to save the company that failed because Rhode Island refused to go along with the plan, and addresses accusations that his acceptance of tax credits and loan guarantees from the state were hypocritical in light of his outspoken conservative viewpoints: "I don't know how that correlates to this. I donít have any problem with government helping entrepreneurs and businesses." Thanks JJ.

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85. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 23, 2012, 21:10 RollinThundr
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 19:12:
RollinThundr wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 17:35:
descender wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 17:31:
Capitalism is the way to live prosperous? Greece went bankrupt because of capitalism. Spain went bankrupt because of capitalism. The entire Euro Zone is going to collapse because of capitalism.

Capitalism creates divide, nothing more. Haves and have nots. That's a better life?

Not everyone using the public systems available to them are "leeching. Yes, leechers should be dealt with. Most people use those systems to vault back into the mediocrity of the lower middle class.

Go capitalism.!

Greece wasn't/isn't capitalistic.

I didn't call everyone a leech, but to pretend there isn't many out there abusing the system is flat out laughable.

Are you ever going to provide any actual evidence for this massive number of leeches that you keep talking about? How many are there? How much are they consuming? You want to cut all these services, but you haven't actually shown any reason to cut them, nor any rationale for how much they could be cut without essentially throwing more people out into the street than we already have.

I see plenty of people living on the street around here. They don't seem to be getting much in the way of help either. Not more than they can fit in their shopping carts or trash bags anyway. Where are you getting your info from?

I never said I wanted to cut all of it, I said fix the loop holes so people that ARE CAPABLE OF WORKING. Who refuse to can't take advantage forever.

I'm sorry that that idea doesn't mesh with the bleeding heart liberal utopia of the rich paying for everyone else to live. Real life doesn't work that way.

Then you have someone say that hard work doesn't get you anything. Which is another line of flatout bullshit. Stop being entitled brats and earn a life.
 
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84. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 23, 2012, 20:45 Yifes
 
RollinThundr wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 18:14:
Conservative is more a code word for common sense. Not all of us have the entitled from the womb disease you folks have.

Conservative is a viewpoint and has nothing to do with common sense. You like to pretend that you've pulled yourself up solely by your bootstraps, but that shit just isn't true. The the american dream is far from reality, and arguing from a position of relative privileged that you can get anywhere in life if you simply worked hard enough is naivety that borders on arrogance.

The liberals you are arguing against are not freeloaders. We have worked hard to get to where we are, but unlike you, we acknowledge the help we've received along the way. We pay our taxes just like you, but we believe that social services are worth paying for, for the benefit of society as a whole.

Whether the services in place at the moment are effective enough to be worth our money, now THAT is what liberals and conservative should be discussing. Instead, you make up some bullshit straw man attack against liberal "entitlement". But hey, I'm not surprised by how biased you are and how easily you jump to the wrong conclusions.
 
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83. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 23, 2012, 19:15 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Prez wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 06:21:
I think Obama has been a terrible President. I agree with almost nothing that he has done or stands for (although the libertarian in me appreciates some of what he is trying to do with gay marriage and easing up senselessly harsh drug laws). His predecessor was an unmitigated disaster, as much as I wanted to like him (and did in the beginning). I also think McCain would have been just as much of a disaster. With Romney as my alternative to Obama, I don't have much hope going forward, at least in the short term. I'll vote for Romney I guess but only because I object to not voting at all. I view voting like jury duty - a required civic duty that I'd really rather not do, but I always will do it because it's my civic duty.
I can't think of much of anything that Romney would do that would be any better than Obama. I can think of plenty of things that he'd do that would be worse, given what we heard from him during the primaries. I'm no fan of either, but given the choice, I'd rather vote for Obama. He's just the lesser evil in this case.
 
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82. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 23, 2012, 19:12 Wowbagger_TIP
 
RollinThundr wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 17:35:
descender wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 17:31:
Capitalism is the way to live prosperous? Greece went bankrupt because of capitalism. Spain went bankrupt because of capitalism. The entire Euro Zone is going to collapse because of capitalism.

Capitalism creates divide, nothing more. Haves and have nots. That's a better life?

Not everyone using the public systems available to them are "leeching. Yes, leechers should be dealt with. Most people use those systems to vault back into the mediocrity of the lower middle class.

Go capitalism.!

Greece wasn't/isn't capitalistic.

I didn't call everyone a leech, but to pretend there isn't many out there abusing the system is flat out laughable.

Are you ever going to provide any actual evidence for this massive number of leeches that you keep talking about? How many are there? How much are they consuming? You want to cut all these services, but you haven't actually shown any reason to cut them, nor any rationale for how much they could be cut without essentially throwing more people out into the street than we already have.

I see plenty of people living on the street around here. They don't seem to be getting much in the way of help either. Not more than they can fit in their shopping carts or trash bags anyway. Where are you getting your info from?
 
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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." -- Bertrand Russell (I think...)
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81. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 23, 2012, 18:14 RollinThundr
 
Stormsinger wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 18:11:
RollinThundr wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 17:35:
descender wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 17:31:
Capitalism is the way to live prosperous? Greece went bankrupt because of capitalism. Spain went bankrupt because of capitalism. The entire Euro Zone is going to collapse because of capitalism.

Capitalism creates divide, nothing more. Haves and have nots. That's a better life?

Not everyone using the public systems available to them are "leeching. Yes, leechers should be dealt with. Most people use those systems to vault back into the mediocrity of the lower middle class.

Go capitalism.!

Greece wasn't/isn't capitalistic.

I didn't call everyone a leech, but to pretend there isn't many out there abusing the system is flat out laughable.

Right, better a million people starve, than one leech get something for nothing.

"Conservative" is so often just code for sociopath...and your arguments here make it clear which side you're on.

Conservative is more a code word for common sense. Not all of us have the entitled from the womb disease you folks have.
 
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80. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 23, 2012, 18:11 Stormsinger
 
RollinThundr wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 17:35:
descender wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 17:31:
Capitalism is the way to live prosperous? Greece went bankrupt because of capitalism. Spain went bankrupt because of capitalism. The entire Euro Zone is going to collapse because of capitalism.

Capitalism creates divide, nothing more. Haves and have nots. That's a better life?

Not everyone using the public systems available to them are "leeching. Yes, leechers should be dealt with. Most people use those systems to vault back into the mediocrity of the lower middle class.

Go capitalism.!

Greece wasn't/isn't capitalistic.

I didn't call everyone a leech, but to pretend there isn't many out there abusing the system is flat out laughable.

Right, better a million people starve, than one leech get something for nothing.

"Conservative" is so often just code for sociopath...and your arguments here make it clear which side you're on.
 
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79. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 23, 2012, 17:35 RollinThundr
 
descender wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 17:31:
Capitalism is the way to live prosperous? Greece went bankrupt because of capitalism. Spain went bankrupt because of capitalism. The entire Euro Zone is going to collapse because of capitalism.

Capitalism creates divide, nothing more. Haves and have nots. That's a better life?

Not everyone using the public systems available to them are "leeching. Yes, leechers should be dealt with. Most people use those systems to vault back into the mediocrity of the lower middle class.

Go capitalism.!

Greece wasn't/isn't capitalistic.

I didn't call everyone a leech, but to pretend there isn't many out there abusing the system is flat out laughable.
 
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78. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 23, 2012, 17:32 m0deth
 
Prez wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 06:21:
I view voting like jury duty - a required civic duty that I'd really rather not do, but I always will do it because it's my civic duty.

The trouble with this is...sadly, both are/have been far too easy to rig. I used to feel this way...until you become familiar with the how things actually go down once you walk away from the booth/bench.

The problem we face, is we're dumb as a state. We don't learn from our mistakes, we keep hoping the next guy in the same party will fix things. When that doesn't happen the knee-jerk is felt all the way down to Jersey, and the process begins again, just with the other party. We even re-elect convicted felons,and give them conservative talk radio shows! ...sigh

To make problems worse, loyal sports fans were taken in by this whole thing, the hype surrounding their(38 Studios) impending move to RI. I saw this part coming, I will admit, I have always felt Curt was an overpaid hack when he wore the uniform, and nothing has changed beyond his arrogance level skyrocketing. He's a hypocrite for taking that back room deal from our previous schmuck Governor, and he's an outright bullshit artist for trying to blame the current dumb dumb. All Chaffee did was actually BE our representative, and voice concerns we all had after so long with no returns. Every time the state asked to see how things were going...they got the usual dance/song/screwball pitch from 38 Studios to not worry, things were great even though Amalur sold a .33% market share, needing at least 1% or 3 million copies...even to survive!

Let's do some math...75 million from the state easy cash, plus the supposed 50 million he says he lost....while I know this isn't all of it, that's around 125 million dollars for one studio to make one game?

Are you fucking serious Curt?

Either you are the worst "Conservative" on the planet, or you are an outright lying thief. I suspect we will find under testimony, and I'm sure he will have to...that he's full of shit...and ran his company into the ground, not unlike some of his moments in Boston.
 
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77. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 23, 2012, 17:31 descender
 
Capitalism is the way to live prosperous? Greece went bankrupt because of capitalism. Spain went bankrupt because of capitalism. The entire Euro Zone is going to collapse because of capitalism.

Capitalism creates divide, nothing more. Haves and have nots. That's a better life?

Not everyone using the public systems available to them are "leeching. Yes, leechers should be dealt with. Most people use those systems to vault back into the mediocrity of the lower middle class.

Go capitalism.!
 
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76. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 23, 2012, 17:12 RollinThundr
 
descender wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 15:32:
Right, as long as there is money to be made, you're all for it. Fuck it all if people are starving or sick though.

So tell me, which is the better investment, those working and paying back into the system and creating jobs, or those who leech off the system and don't contribute anything back into it?

Greece pretty much went bankrupt. France to cover their oh so wonderful healthcare (note we have the best doctors and medical technology in the world in the US, that shit isn't free) who are now looking to raise their taxes to astronomical levels to pay for it.

Going full socialism is not the way to have a strong economy, for as imperfect as capitalism is, it's still the way to live prosperous.

You need the basic things, police, fire, road infrastructure etc, the more you give to the government to control and do for you, the less freedom you'll have in the end.
 
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75. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 23, 2012, 16:57 sfhand
 
I have, as a matter of course, talked to many right wing types. With most we have been able to focus on the things that we agree on about what is ailing our country. None of these reasonable people used terms like "socialist loving douches". I think your partisan attitude is a huge part of the problem because most of what ails us is beyond right vs left, and right vs left is right where the powers that be want to keep us. Head on over to Rolling Stone and read Taibbi's latest on Wall Street crime and tell us again how babysitting is the big problem we face...  
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74. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 23, 2012, 15:32 descender
 
Wasn't France supposed to go bankrupt from their best healthcare system in the world?

It seems they are more socially progressive than most countries, without all the bellyaching about the myth of "freedom".

"I donít have any problem with government helping entrepreneurs and businesses"

Right, as long as there is money to be made, you're all for it. Fuck it all if people are starving or sick though.
 
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73. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 23, 2012, 14:12 space captain
 
its pretty easy to break it down.. if someone likes it, its "good"... if they dont like it, its "bad"

logic doesnt have anything to do with decisions like that
 
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72. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 23, 2012, 14:04 RollinThundr
 
sfhand wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 13:57:
socialist loving douches???

What is wrong with socialism? You don't approve of the commons? You don't approve of your local police department? Nor our military? Nor fire departments? Nor our highway system? Libraries? Schools? Parks?

and no, I'm not voting Democrat or Republican...

I'm making a tee shirt:

Just say NO
to organized crime
vote 3rd party

Providing infrastructure is one thing. Babysitting everyone is another. See Greece and soon to be France.
 
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71. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 23, 2012, 13:57 sfhand
 
socialist loving douches???

What is wrong with socialism? You don't approve of the commons? You don't approve of your local police department? Nor our military? Nor fire departments? Nor our highway system? Libraries? Schools? Parks?

and no, I'm not voting Democrat or Republican...

I'm making a tee shirt:

Just say NO
to organized crime
vote 3rd party
 
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70. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 23, 2012, 12:15 Stormsinger
 
cappy wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 02:37:
RollinThundr wrote on Jun 22, 2012, 23:07:
fact of the matter is, he did surround himself with socialist loving douches. He tends to lean quite a bit towards socialistic policy. You don't need to watch Limbaugh to do some thinking on that.

Let me know when anything Obama does reaches anything like the level of what LBJ and FDR did. I won't hold my breath.

Instead, what he's pursued has been pretty middle-of-the-road. Healthcare reform has been bandied around at least since Nixon's time - and by both Parties. And again, Obama's healthcare bill owes a lot of its genesis to the heavy lifting done by GOP and conservatives. It was not a particularly original idea.

Objectively, I don't see much different from him versus Dubya or even Reagan on the domestic side. I tend to see Clinton and H.W. Bush as being somewhat similar. His policies are not revolutionary, and they're hardly even evolutionary. They're certainly not even close to being on the scale of LBJ or FDR.

Personally, I wouldn't call Obama middle of the road. He's pretty hard right. He only looks centrist by comparison to the GOTP radicals.

Change his skin color to pink, his name to Emerson Winchester, leave his policies and actions exactly as they have been, and drop him 15 years back in the past. And the Republicans would be falling all over this guy as their hero, the new incarnation of Saint Reagan.
 
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69. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 23, 2012, 11:11 Flatline
 
RollinThundr wrote on Jun 22, 2012, 14:35:
I don't think anyone is against helping out small businesses (not that 38 Studios really fits into that category) or having a safety net for veterans or people who are truly disabled that can't work.

Clearly you haven't listened to the Tea Party, or read any of the Republican party's actual proposals/bills/budgets/laws. Because they both nuke this kind of stuff, specifically.
 
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68. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 23, 2012, 08:16 space captain
 
Prez wrote on Jun 23, 2012, 06:21:
I find it amusing that everyone speaks in absolutes i.e. "People just want to vote the Black Kenyan out of office!" (REALLY??) and equally absurd stuff, but then a guy like cappy comes in speaking rationally, logically rather than emotionally and in a very unbiased manner (what a concept!!!), and everyone suddenly agrees with him. I wish I could do that - good show cappy.

i find it amusing that people argue and debate over the governmental system as if it is legitimately functional and economically viable

seems like blind faith is some crucial bit of human nature... it used to be the holy church, now its the government

but when you see whats really going on, you cant blame people for hiding from it... its very understandable
 
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67. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 23, 2012, 06:21 Prez
 
I find it amusing that everyone speaks in absolutes i.e. "People just want to vote the Black Kenyan out of office!" (REALLY??) and equally absurd stuff, but then a guy like cappy comes in speaking rationally, logically rather than emotionally and in a very unbiased manner (what a concept!!!), and everyone suddenly agrees with him. I wish I could do that - good show cappy.

Suffice it to say that the country is a mess, and seeing as how we as a country 1) are so sharply divided and 2) are unwilling to be honest with ourselves about how it got that way and instead want to tow the party line and play the partisan, I don't expect anything will ever happen except more pointless bickering between liberals and conservatives, neither of whom will budge an inch because as soon as they do the other side pounces on it as a weakness. Don't get me wrong; I have my own distinct opinions on what is right and what should be done (and little of it lines up with what liberals usually intend, and only half of what conservatives want), but there's always room for civil discourse. It just never happens because we root for "our side" as if we were at a football game and dig in to defend it at all costs, objectivity be damned. I shake my head when I see people defending the politicians in Congress as if any of them are at all on our side. They are on their own side, and the sooner we as a citizenry realize that, the sooner we actually might start effecting real change in the way things are going.

I think Obama has been a terrible President. I agree with almost nothing that he has done or stands for (although the libertarian in me appreciates some of what he is trying to do with gay marriage and easing up senselessly harsh drug laws). His predecessor was an unmitigated disaster, as much as I wanted to like him (and did in the beginning). I also think McCain would have been just as much of a disaster. With Romney as my alternative to Obama, I don't have much hope going forward, at least in the short term. I'll vote for Romney I guess but only because I object to not voting at all. I view voting like jury duty - a required civic duty that I'd really rather not do, but I always will do it because it's my civic duty.

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66. Re: Curt Schilling on 38 Studios' Demise Jun 23, 2012, 03:40 jdreyer
 
Great stuff cappy. You did a better job than I ever could. My hat is off to you, sir!  
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