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Out of the Blue

Well my optimism that we'd turned a corner on the Gunnar-man peeing everywhere was premature, as he had a couple of incidents over the weekend. This is pretty distressing to us, and seems to indicate he is still somewhat distressed himself, and the fact that this is getting MrsBlue more and more (understandably) upset with him is not helping this at all. If this wasn't upsetting enough, this also has her talking about not wanting any more dogs after this, which is about the worst possible outcome I could imagine from all this, as the pooches are the apples of my eye.

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39. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 12, 2012, 05:41 Prez
 
I bought all the Europa Universalis, Hearts of Iron, and Crusader Kings DLC I was missing since it was all on sale. Some of them were only 49 cents. And I still don't own any of the Nancy Drew games thank you very much!  
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38. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 12, 2012, 01:40 nin
 
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Christ, Prez! Did you buy the rest of the steam catalog you were missing?

 
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37. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 12, 2012, 01:32 nin
 

I also just had a dear friend of mine diagnosed with cancer a few weeks ago. Last Monday he found out that it was "much worse than they thought" and the next day he had a massive heart attack and that was that. Beats the fuck out of being slowly eaten up with cancer,

When I got to the end of that, I was thinking the exact same thing... think I'd rather be hit by a bus and die quickly than to spend months in a hospital bed feeling miserable and wasting away.

I'm sorry for your loss as well, WarPig.

 
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36. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 12, 2012, 00:38 WarPig
 
Personally I would never do chem/rad. EVER. Fuck cancer, when I get diagnosed it's party time till death. At least then I had a better life than whatever would come with and after chem/rad. Live just ain't worth living when it's filled with suffering and illness. Because that's what chem/rad "therapy" gets you unless you are very lucky.

I understand your point but at the same time I guess my uncle was just lucky when the chem/rad therapy he went through killed the liver AND colon cancer that he had. Other than making him weak it didn't even make him all that sick. So I guess I'm just sayin'... maybe it could be worth it. Who knows.

I also just had a dear friend of mine diagnosed with cancer a few weeks ago. Last Monday he found out that it was "much worse than they thought" and the next day he had a massive heart attack and that was that. Beats the fuck out of being slowly eaten up with cancer, so in a way, good for him, saved he and his poor wife a whole lot of misery and money.

So I guess what I'm saying is... hell, I don't know.
 
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35. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 11, 2012, 23:14 Prez
 
On a lighter note, congrats to the LA Kings for their well-deserved Stanley Cup victory. (And a personal "thank you" from me for beating the NJ Devils who I despise more than any oter team in the sporting world )  
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34. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 11, 2012, 22:53 Prez
 
DNForever wrote on Jun 11, 2012, 22:02:
How is that not negligent homicide at least?

No malicious intent, no intent to kill, no real motive, no homicide happening, a parents right to choose the course of care for their minor child, no guarantee that mainstream care will produce a better outcome, no homicide, no homicide, and did I mention no homicide?

I'm not a lawyer (and very obviously neither are you) but I can read.

From www.uslegal.com/negligent-homicide:

"(a) (1) A person commits negligent homicide if he or she negligently causes the death of another person, not constituting murder or manslaughter...

Negligent homicide is the killing of another person through gross negligence or without malice... It is characterized as a death caused by conduct that grossly deviated from ordinary care.

Not getting medical care for your child's treatable but potentially fatal condition sounds like it fits that definition exactly to me.

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33. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 11, 2012, 22:02 DNForever
 

How is that not negligent homicide at least?

No malicious intent, no intent to kill, no real motive, no homicide happening, a parents right to choose the course of care for their minor child, no guarantee that mainstream care will produce a better outcome, no homicide, no homicide, and did I mention no homicide?
 
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32. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 11, 2012, 21:27 sauron
 
Cutter wrote on Jun 11, 2012, 20:11:
nin wrote on Jun 11, 2012, 19:58:

My sister's husband at all of 29 is in chemo today.


Damn. I'm very sorry to hear that, Cutter. I truly hope things get better.

Yeah, me too. He's a great guy but the cancer just doesn't want to seem to let him go Everytime we think we've got it licked something else crops up. It makes me angry more than anything else.

A friend of ours was diagnosed with cancer in her 30's and it turned out she has a genetic predisposition.

It helps her only a little since she is now already screened very regularly as a cancer survivor. However, they also checked for the mutation in her kids, which could end up saving their lives.
 
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31. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 11, 2012, 20:11 Cutter
 
nin wrote on Jun 11, 2012, 19:58:

My sister's husband at all of 29 is in chemo today.


Damn. I'm very sorry to hear that, Cutter. I truly hope things get better.

Yeah, me too. He's a great guy but the cancer just doesn't want to seem to let him go Everytime we think we've got it licked something else crops up. It makes me angry more than anything else.
 
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30. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 11, 2012, 19:58 nin
 

My sister's husband at all of 29 is in chemo today.


Damn. I'm very sorry to hear that, Cutter. I truly hope things get better.

 
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29. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 11, 2012, 19:15 Cutter
 
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Jun 11, 2012, 18:58:
Cutter wrote on Jun 11, 2012, 18:36:
Spot on. If it wasn't this it would be something else. And how is it hokum exactly? The Cancer society is hokum. Heaven knows how many billions they've raised over the decades with almost virtually no improvement. Even Harvard medical school said cancer will be uncurable for a long, long time to come, if ever.
I hope you're joking. 30 years ago my grandfather would have been dead from the bladder cancer he had. 20 years ago he would have had a slim chance of survival. 15 years ago, he was one of the few given an experimental Interferon-a treatment along with low-dose chemo. He was clear and free from that. 4 years ago he died from Cancer though it was due to melanoma which had spread into the lymph system and literally ate the bone structure of his spine away while spreading through his body.

Sorry there's been advancement's and a lot of them. What would have killed you 20 years ago, you have a pretty good survival chance of today.

My sister's husband at all of 29 is in chemo today. I've known plenty of people who have died of cancer. Fact is that since the 50's there's been less than a 10% increase in successfully treating cancer overall - in some areas with milder forms it hits 28% in others less than 5% but averages out to around 8% overall. That's not good cosindering it's been 60 years and god knows how many hundreds of billions. Every few years we hear about some new 'almost miracle' cure that will end it but it never pans out. However, it certainly keeps the money flowing in like the ocean. I have a friend who does corporate fundraising for cancer and makes over 100k a year doing it. Fact is, cancer is an industry, and a profitable one at that.


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28. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 11, 2012, 19:08 Creston
 
Verno wrote on Jun 11, 2012, 15:55:
Creston wrote on Jun 11, 2012, 15:30:
Mine's not pulling anything. Did you get the beta patch?

DLing it now.

I hope it doesn't break too many mods. I was just getting ready to start a new playthrough...

Creston

I've been playing with it for a few weeks, SKSE is already updated and most things have been dandy. I think Dance of Death wasn't updated yet but that was the only mod I cared about with any compatibility problems.

Cheers, bud

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27. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 11, 2012, 18:58 Mashiki Amiketo
 
Cutter wrote on Jun 11, 2012, 18:36:
Spot on. If it wasn't this it would be something else. And how is it hokum exactly? The Cancer society is hokum. Heaven knows how many billions they've raised over the decades with almost virtually no improvement. Even Harvard medical school said cancer will be uncurable for a long, long time to come, if ever.
I hope you're joking. 30 years ago my grandfather would have been dead from the bladder cancer he had. 20 years ago he would have had a slim chance of survival. 15 years ago, he was one of the few given an experimental Interferon-a treatment along with low-dose chemo. He was clear and free from that. 4 years ago he died from Cancer though it was due to melanoma which had spread into the lymph system and literally ate the bone structure of his spine away while spreading through his body.

Sorry there's been advancement's and a lot of them. What would have killed you 20 years ago, you have a pretty good survival chance of today.
 
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26. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 11, 2012, 18:36 Cutter
 
Cabezone wrote on Jun 11, 2012, 15:04:
Most men eventually develop prostate cancer. At his age, with it also being stage one slow growing, it's unlikely to doctors would do much of anything anyway.

Spot on. If it wasn't this it would be something else. And how is it hokum exactly? The Cancer society is hokum. Heaven knows how many billions they've raised over the decades with almost virtually no improvement. Even Harvard medical school said cancer will be uncurable for a long, long time to come, if ever.
 
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25. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 11, 2012, 17:42 Mashiki Amiketo
 
Heads up the 1.6 patch resets all your keyboard bindings. Oh yay?  
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24. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 11, 2012, 17:06 eRe4s3r
 
I live in Germany where no doctor can ever force you to do anything. That is what being free means Being free to choose death over healing is the greatest freedom a human can and SHOULD have. No matter how stupid it might be to not take the offer of healing. In the end, as long as your decision does not endanger others you can do whatever the heck you want.

And this also applies for parents/children and ESPECIALLY for chem/rad therapy. I won't deny that for children with stupid parents this can be problematic and deadly. But if you make concessions when it comes to freedom you end up with no freedom. Personally, I'd rather have the state NEVER be involved in this kind of stuff. Sadly even here it is in some way involved as you can get no HELP to die faster legally.

There are some few exceptions.... One thing I sure would prefer state mandated is inoculation .. but you can't have everything.
 
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23. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 11, 2012, 17:04 nin
 
Final 20 hours on the Two Guys (AKA Space Quest devs) KS! We're just barely over the goal, so if you want in for cheap, or want to make sure no one screws everyone over by retracting their bid at the last minute, nows the time! See link below - and thank you!

 
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22. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 11, 2012, 16:59 xXBatmanXx
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Jun 11, 2012, 14:26:
My spin on Tommy Chong is he beat the odds living to 74. It is all gravy now.

Exactly.
 
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21. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 11, 2012, 16:54 Acleacius
 
Yeah, really need to make sure to see the Vet to rule out medical problems, if you haven't already. Secondly he could actually be complaining, arguing about something.

Did you or Mrs. Blue changed/moved anything in the house or schedule that effected him? Like no longer allow him in your bedroom if he was used to being in there.
 
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20. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 11, 2012, 16:49 Acleacius
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Jun 11, 2012, 14:54:
What a fucked up world it'd be if the gov or strangers could dictate you what is a life worth living and what not. Leave the parents to their decision as it is not your business to meddle in.

And while in the special case of child-cancer I would tend to agree that survival should be prioritized, in this world we don't have the right to overrule parental decisions on this kind of issue....
I really don't know where you live but it doesn't sound like a first world/industrialized country. You clearly don't live in the USA, becasue you would recognize the words "Child Endangerment" and know it's a Felony. There are currently many parent(s) behind bars for denying care to their childeren. At least in my memory, first recall it being a problem for christian scientists, now days scienctoligists and any extreme religion.
 
The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.That is easy.All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.It works the same way in any country.
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