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30. Re: Saturday Safety Dance Jun 7, 2012, 10:04 Ant
 
KilrathiAce wrote on Jun 2, 2012, 22:21:
nytimes requires me to login/have account just to read news sorry nope
Use BugMeNot.com.
 
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29. Re: Saturday Safety Dance Jun 3, 2012, 14:44 space captain
 
Jivaro wrote on Jun 3, 2012, 12:16:
As long as somebody can make money off of it...I doubt it is going to change.

global power failures, mass flooding, supervolcanoes, nuclear winters ... all potential learning opportunities.. people will discover what actually has REAL value at that point

sooner or later
 
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28. Re: Saturday Safety Dance Jun 3, 2012, 14:13 zirik
 
Krovven wrote on Jun 3, 2012, 13:59:
Aside from lending some troops as assistance to the Brits, the US did not officially enter the war until 1941 when Japan declared war on the US and attacked Pearl Harbour. Again, nothing to do with Democracy.

dont forget the american volunteer group (AKA the flying tigers) who became part of the chinese air force. they helped keep the burma road open for china. china was not democratic before the war. they certainly did not convert after.
 
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27. Re: Saturday Safety Dance Jun 3, 2012, 13:59 Krovven
 
Illumin wrote on Jun 2, 2012, 22:38:
Seriously? WTF was World War 2 about? If that wasn't a fight for democracy I don't know what is.

While I agree with pretty much everything you said, WW2 had absolutely nothing to do with "Democracy". Japan was already at war with China, Germany invaded Poland in 1939. NOTHING TO DO WITH DEMOCRACY! Hitler just wanted to wipe out Poland and everyone in it and take the land for himself.

Aside from lending some troops as assistance to the Brits, the US did not officially enter the war until 1941 when Japan declared war on the US and attacked Pearl Harbour. Again, nothing to do with Democracy.

Since WW2, the US have invested heavily into their military and using that strength to force their own political agenda (democracy conversion) upon other countries (ie: Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, etc).

 
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26. Re: Saturday Safety Dance Jun 3, 2012, 12:16 Jivaro
 
space captain wrote on Jun 2, 2012, 22:51:
sooner or later, humanity will evolve past this "rah rah! go team!"/"my god is the true god, your god is not real" territorial bullshit

until then...

ATTACK!!!!!!!!!!!

As long as somebody can make money off of it...I doubt it is going to change.
 
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25. Re: Saturday Safety Dance Jun 3, 2012, 11:49 Bet
 
Tom wrote on Jun 3, 2012, 10:18:
Left, right, what difference does it make. They're all a bunch of crooks.
If only not voting fixed everything. 40-50% of the American populace put in a vote of 'no confidence' every 4 years. And what is it now, 11% approval rating for congress?

We're winning! Wait...
 
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24. Re: Saturday Safety Dance Jun 3, 2012, 10:18 Tom
 
Left, right, what difference does it make. They're all a bunch of crooks.  
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23. Re: Saturday Safety Dance Jun 3, 2012, 09:59 Cutter
 
Prez wrote on Jun 3, 2012, 06:28:
That's always been the purview and major problem of the right-wing. They never let reality stand in the way of their convictions.

That's a misrepresentation. Knowing the facts of America's history, both the good and the bad, does not lead to a singular conclusion. There will be varied interpretations of the same set of facts given the prism through which they are viewed. That's as true with the "blame America first" crowd as it is with the "America, fuck Yeah!!" crowd. Right wingers definitley don't have a corner on the market when it comes to spin and rhetoric by any stretch of the imagination.

Not singular, but a measurable and consistent pattern that has been established which supports the thesis that America is not only not a force for democracy but actively works against it for the most part. That's a fact. Even the phrase 'Blame America first crowd' is something the right-wing utilizes constantly so they can ignore the facts. It only supports what I'm saying. I never said that the left doesn't utilize spin and rhetoric either but that's not what we were talking about and it certainly doesn't change the evidence.
 
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22. Re: Saturday Safety Dance Jun 3, 2012, 06:28 Prez
 
That's always been the purview and major problem of the right-wing. They never let reality stand in the way of their convictions.

That's a misrepresentation. Knowing the facts of America's history, both the good and the bad, does not lead to a singular conclusion. There will be varied interpretations of the same set of facts given the prism through which they are viewed. That's as true with the "blame America first" crowd as it is with the "America, fuck Yeah!!" crowd. Right wingers definitley don't have a corner on the market when it comes to spin and rhetoric by any stretch of the imagination.
 
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21. Re: Saturday Safety Dance Jun 3, 2012, 01:54 Illumin
 
Yes U.S.A has some issues I wont deny it, and yes our government likes to do its own thing. But to say the U.S isn't and never was about Democracy is complete bullshit.

Hum looks like I agreed with you to an extent but keep changing my words to make you look good its cool with me.If you choose to call that an ignore go for it.
 
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20. Re: Saturday Safety Dance Jun 3, 2012, 01:37 Cutter
 
Prez wrote on Jun 3, 2012, 01:03:
There's no winning on any forum... It's a discussion.

Internet political debate - like nuclear war, the only winning move is not to play. Sorry about the quote-steal, Joshua.

No so. Illum is upset because of people knocking on the US in regard to their foreign policy. It's not like these facts don't exist are only available to a select few. He chooses to ignore them because they don't jibe with his view and he would be forced to adjust to a reality he doesn't like so it's easier for him to simply deny all of it. That's always been the purview and major problem of the right-wing. They never let reality stand in the way of their convictions.
 
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19. Re: Saturday Safety Dance Jun 3, 2012, 01:03 Prez
 
There's no winning on any forum... It's a discussion.

Internet political debate - like nuclear war, the only winning move is not to play. Sorry about the quote-steal, Joshua.
 
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18. Re: Saturday Safety Dance Jun 3, 2012, 01:00 Illumin
 
Sure thing buddy. Have a good one.  
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17. Re: Saturday Safety Dance Jun 3, 2012, 00:59 Sepharo
 
There's no winning on any forum... It's a discussion. Nobody is going to change anyone's mind either way. If you meant what you wrote you should've left it. Speaking of hating on things you're the one accusing people of hating America just because they're a bit more historically literate than yourself You left that post btw...  
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16. Re: Saturday Safety Dance Jun 3, 2012, 00:39 Illumin
 
Sepharo wrote on Jun 3, 2012, 00:26:
Illumin wrote on Jun 3, 2012, 00:04:
Not gonna argue think what ever you want about the U.S, nothing I say is going to change a small mind.

Why'd you remove what you wrote? I shoulda quoted

All though I believe what I wrote I removed it because I know there is no winning on these forums. There are some good people on Blues but eh to many that just like to fight and hate on things. Im not going to be one of them. I had my say and im done with it.
 
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15. Re: Saturday Safety Dance Jun 3, 2012, 00:26 Sepharo
 
Illumin wrote on Jun 3, 2012, 00:04:
Not gonna argue think what ever you want about the U.S, nothing I say is going to change a small mind.

Why'd you remove what you wrote? I shoulda quoted
 
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14. Re: Saturday Safety Dance Jun 3, 2012, 00:26 Sepharo
 
He's not wrong in his statement... The U.S. goes to war when its interests are at stake. In WW2 our ally Britain was getting pounded. And don't forget it took Japan to attack us for us to officially enter the war. The extent of the holocaust was unknown (especially by the American public) so that was hardly a reason for entering.  
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13. Re: Saturday Safety Dance Jun 3, 2012, 00:04 Illumin
 
Not gonna argue think what ever you want about the U.S, nothing I say is going to change a small mind.

This comment was edited on Jun 3, 2012, 00:24.
 
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12. Re: Saturday Safety Dance Jun 2, 2012, 22:56 Orogogus
 
It's pretty clear from historical sources (e.g. the presidential campaigns, congressional records) that the Civil War wasn't fought to end slavery, although it did in the end. The South started the war to preserve slavery, but the North fought to stop them from seceding.

Re: WW2, Russia and China did most of the fighting and dying, and obviously they weren't fighting for democracy.
 
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11. Re: Saturday Safety Dance Jun 2, 2012, 22:51 space captain
 
sooner or later, humanity will evolve past this "rah rah! go team!"/"my god is the true god, your god is not real" territorial bullshit

until then...

ATTACK!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Go forth, and kill!
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