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space captain wrote on May 31, 2012, 12:26:
MajorD wrote on May 31, 2012, 10:10:
No, I get it, but I think you are missing my point. So, we'll just leave it at that. Go forth....
your point is one of political correctness, its a matter of distinction whether or not societal indoctrination is "forced" or rather something that children are doing by "formulating their own beliefs"
the problem for me accepting your description is that those "beliefs" have already been created, they have already been conceptually outlined in numerous ways and have established patterns of dissemination throughout many years, or centuries, or millenia
to me, having to choose from a buffet of pre-made ideas, each with built-in bias one way or another... thats not "formulating your own beliefs".. thats pure consumption, pure conformity - there is no creativity involved in such a process, beyond the most simplistic principals of arrangement
This is good, and I am being serious. "Political correctness" is too extreme and it is so out of fricken' control it is sad. I would like to think it was more a neutral approach. 
So, back to the my original response to Fibrocyte’s comment to Verno, "Start by explaining that there is no heaven - they're never too young to start learning the truth"., Now, I agree that the “idea” - I say “idea” for the sake of our post communications here - of heaven will some how be impressed upon children/people, whether it via books, TV, radio, over hearing conversations, engaging in conversation, seeing a billboard, interacting with other kids, etc, etc; there’s no doubt about it. My counter to Fibrocyte’s comments was very epigrammatic, but what I was trying to convey was to let the kid formulate their own opinion whether it was impressed on them already. At some point, a child is going to ask their parent(s) about heaven, if it exists, etc. Now, the parent can either insist/engrain into the kid that there is a heaven, or they could give them enough neutral information for the child to formulate their own decisions along the way.
What I have found interesting over the years is where kids are brought up in a religious family/household, and then eventually become agnostic or atheists for some reason or another. Was it provoked by higher education, negative experiences, work associates, significant others, etc……who knows. And then on the other side you have people that were brought up in a household without religious beliefs or practices, and then become religious in their adult life. Was it due being a product of their environment(s), divine intervention, significant other, positive experiences, etc…..again, who knows.
Oh, and your comment, becoming a "functional member of society" is a matter of pure conformity... not necessarily "bad", but there is a conditioning process employed to tame the wildness of the human animal - suppression, repression, and so forth.
So true, we are definitely animals with a higher degree of intelligence....
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