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Re: Diablo III Patch |
May 29, 2012, 22:33 |
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HorrorScope wrote on May 29, 2012, 22:15:
nin wrote on May 29, 2012, 22:14:
You could have a doctorate in computer science and still fall victim. So in reality everyone could be at fault at some point. Just wait your turn.
Well when it does, I won't be blaming blizzard for it!
We'll see, you won't know until it happens. Always easy to talk about what you would do when it happens to another. Shit, I'd call that line of thinking the True American Way.
Actually the way YOU are treating it is the stereotypical "American Way" mentality. nin is actually taking responsibility for his actions...you know...how America USED TO BE.  And how MOST of us in here were taught.... |
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In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. / Few men have virtue enough to withstand the highest bidder.
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Re: Diablo III Patch |
May 29, 2012, 22:31 |
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nin wrote on May 29, 2012, 22:14:
You could have a doctorate in computer science and still fall victim. So in reality everyone could be at fault at some point. Just wait your turn.
Well when it does, I won't be blaming blizzard for it!
Zactly. The problem is we live in a society of people who always think they are the victim instead of the problem. Even when you show them they are the problem with facts and data, they will scream and kick that it is someone else's fault that they are an idiot.
Everyone thinks they are a snowflake. |
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In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. / Few men have virtue enough to withstand the highest bidder.
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Re: Diablo III Patch |
May 29, 2012, 22:26 |
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nin wrote on May 29, 2012, 22:14:
And once again, that's not a blizzard problem. Blizzard is not in charge of the security of your computer. YOU ARE.
It doesn't matter. Both users and Blizzard are left to deal with the aftermath of a hack. It angers the customer who doesn't understand the situation and it costs Blizzard a lot of time and money to staff people to deal with these issues.
Force users who do not want to use an authenticator to use two-stage authentication on IP address changes - SMS or phone is easiest since a hack might compromise an email account too. Email seems to work for Steam though. Make it part of the install process to streamline it if they think it will confuse people.
Talking down to people doesn't solve the problem and most so called forum experts seem to think that clicking scan with a popular AV app and not visiting malwaretorrent.com is network security. One of the largest electronics makers in the world was notoriously hacked (Sony) and they had appalling security practices so people really have no idea anyway. One certainly hopes it is the customer's fault because the alternative is depressing. |
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Re: Diablo III Patch |
May 29, 2012, 22:25 |
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Sepharo wrote on May 29, 2012, 22:19:
nin wrote on May 29, 2012, 22:14:
You could have a doctorate in computer science and still fall victim. So in reality everyone could be at fault at some point. Just wait your turn.
Well when it does, I won't be blaming blizzard for it!
Well you could still blame Blizzard for making something so attractive to hackers. No one is desperately trying hack my Tiny Tower account. 
I got an email the other day with someone trying to do a reset on my minecraft account, and I'm not blaming Notch, either...
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RollinThundr Apr 17, 2013, 12:25: Eh really tossing stuff like that in there only to get your panties all bunched up. If you really want to call that trolling sure.
Mr. Tact Apr 17, 2013, 12:33: Pretty sure that's the definition of trolling... |
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Re: Diablo III Patch |
May 29, 2012, 22:21 |
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theyarecomingforyou wrote on May 29, 2012, 20:49:
Nobody is denying that Blizzard has taken steps to improve security and is continuing to do so.
Yes they are, Rollinthundr said it just afew post ago about a class actition suit.
What you said is bullshit that dose not take into consdieration what others have said at all.
You should read and think about what others have posted.
Also, when you gonna ask your bro about his porn sites? Just ask him about Diabloxxxboys.co.tw, do it over sykpe and record it for extra lol.
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Re: Diablo III Patch |
May 29, 2012, 22:19 |
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nin wrote on May 29, 2012, 22:14:
You could have a doctorate in computer science and still fall victim. So in reality everyone could be at fault at some point. Just wait your turn.
Well when it does, I won't be blaming blizzard for it!
Well you could still blame Blizzard for making something so attractive to hackers. No one is desperately trying hack my Tiny Tower account. |
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| [I'm not trolling I'm just] tossing stuff like that in there only to get your panties all bunched up. -TrollinThundr |
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Re: Diablo III Patch |
May 29, 2012, 22:15 |
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nin wrote on May 29, 2012, 22:14:
You could have a doctorate in computer science and still fall victim. So in reality everyone could be at fault at some point. Just wait your turn.
Well when it does, I won't be blaming blizzard for it!
We'll see, you won't know until it happens. Always easy to talk about what you would do when it happens to another. Shit, I'd call that line of thinking the True American Way. |
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Re: Diablo III Patch |
May 29, 2012, 22:14 |
nin |
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You could have a doctorate in computer science and still fall victim. So in reality everyone could be at fault at some point. Just wait your turn.
Well when it does, I won't be blaming blizzard for it!
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RollinThundr Apr 17, 2013, 12:25: Eh really tossing stuff like that in there only to get your panties all bunched up. If you really want to call that trolling sure.
Mr. Tact Apr 17, 2013, 12:33: Pretty sure that's the definition of trolling... |
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Re: Diablo III Patch |
May 29, 2012, 22:07 |
HorrorScope |
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nin wrote on May 29, 2012, 22:02:
Blizzard is not in charge of the security of your computer. YOU ARE.
Right, sure, ok.
Then if I have repeated issues with Blizzard products where I don't with others, in the end it will cost them. My fault or not.
You could have a doctorate in computer science and still fall victim. So in reality everyone could be at fault at some point. Just wait your turn. |
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Re: Diablo III Patch |
May 29, 2012, 22:02 |
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theyarecomingforyou wrote on May 29, 2012, 21:56:
nin wrote on May 29, 2012, 20:56:
Considering he got hacked, there's no evidence he's not compromised. If we're going to play this game then I raise you: there's no evidence it wasn't you that hacked him. Are we done acting like 3yr olds? If he didn't click on a malicious link or install dubious software, and he had a fully up to date system with anti-virus, then should the concern not be that this could become a widespread issue? Either malicious software is bypassing reasonable precautions or there is an issue with remote hacks. If it's the former then it can even get around the authenticator, as previous attacks have done exactly that. Both are serious concerns, yet you're still keen to blame the user and defend the company profiting from adopting an insecure system.
It is a wide spread issue. As I said earlier, and you quoted, various apps may say a system is clean, even when it isn't. If whatever is out here hasn't been discovered, it's not been reported. And if it's not been reported, it's not in dats. And if its not in the dats, the program of your choice will say the machine is clean, even when it's not.
And once again, that's not a blizzard problem. Blizzard is not in charge of the security of your computer. YOU ARE.
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RollinThundr Apr 17, 2013, 12:25: Eh really tossing stuff like that in there only to get your panties all bunched up. If you really want to call that trolling sure.
Mr. Tact Apr 17, 2013, 12:33: Pretty sure that's the definition of trolling... |
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Re: Diablo III Patch |
May 29, 2012, 21:56 |
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nin wrote on May 29, 2012, 20:56:
Considering he got hacked, there's no evidence he's not compromised. If we're going to play this game then I raise you: there's no evidence it wasn't you that hacked him. Are we done acting like 3yr olds? If he didn't click on a malicious link or install dubious software, and he had a fully up to date system with anti-virus, then should the concern not be that this could become a widespread issue? Either malicious software is bypassing reasonable precautions or there is an issue with remote hacks. If it's the former then it can even get around the authenticator, as previous attacks have done exactly that. Both are serious concerns, yet you're still keen to blame the user and defend the company profiting from adopting an insecure system. |
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Re: Diablo III Patch |
May 29, 2012, 21:35 |
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Krovven wrote on May 29, 2012, 18:19:
So much misinformation both negative and positive coming from everyone. But Im only going to waste my time to correct one thing.
From... http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5149181449#1
In all of the individual Diablo III-related compromise cases we've investigated, none have occurred after a physical Battle.net Authenticator or Battle.net Mobile Authenticator app was attached to the player's account, and we have yet to find any situation where a Diablo III player's account was accessed outside of "traditional" compromise methods (i.e. someone logging using an account's login email and password).
This is all new to non-WoW players, so the misinformation and rage is flowing freely.
I've been using a mobile Authenticator since it was released for Battle.net and I've never had any problems. Nor did I before I started using the Authenticator. Since I've started using it many people I know in WoW had their account "hacked" and they never had an Authenticator.
There are many ways that someone could "hack" an account, most of them end up being enduser error. This doesn't mean that there couldn't be a leak somewhere in Blizzard, just means it is very unlikely and I'd bet 99 times out of 100 that the source of the compromise was on the users end.
All I have to say is my account getting hacked was a 1 time rare occurrence. Nothing of mine has ever been hacked before or since. I've been doing this a long time, and this was an anomaly for me. blahblahblah, I know it won't matter for some of you, because unless it's YOUR box, it's the users fault. The only other things I could do was go down to my ISP and rip apart their email servers for clues, and/or go to blizzard and do the same to their stuff(and interrogate an employee or 2....). In the end it's just a game account, so I did not give enough of a fuck to do that.
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Re: Diablo III Patch |
May 29, 2012, 21:31 |
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Muscular Beaver wrote on May 29, 2012, 19:55:
Awesome going...
Right now I am thinking about getting a refund.
Yeah... Good luck with that......
Maybe I should get a refund on The Witcher 2 on Steam due to that clusterfuck with 8gb Patches when it first came out...
Oh wait... you cant....
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Re: Diablo III Patch |
May 29, 2012, 21:26 |
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Aaaaaaaaaand... Error 37 how I've missed you.
Anyone else find it amusing that over half the auction house is *still* inaccessible? |
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Re: Diablo III Patch |
May 29, 2012, 21:16 |
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-turns on Wireshark-
*watches the packets roll out*
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Re: Diablo III Patch |
May 29, 2012, 20:56 |
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Krovven wrote on May 29, 2012, 18:19:
So much misinformation both negative and positive coming from everyone. But Im only going to waste my time to correct one thing.
Waste our time you mean, crawl back under your rock.
Nobody is denying that Blizzard has taken steps to improve security and is continuing to do so. However, a considerable number of people are having their experiences ruined by account hacks and there's a lot more that can be done. The reality is that you don't get this with other games. My brother and I play TF2 - another game with inventory and trading systems - and our accounts have never been hacked, nor have we needed an authenticator.
That's because Valve has implemented two-stage authentication correctly and forces re-authentication when your IP changes. Steam accounts used to get hacked frequently and Valve recognized that asking your users to educate themselves on computers was a lost cause. Most people do not know nor care to know anything about their computer outside of how to use youporn and facebook. Blaming them is retarded and just loses money.
This comment was edited on May 29, 2012, 21:09. |
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Re: Diablo III Patch |
May 29, 2012, 20:56 |
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There is still no evidence that it's a malware infection and - more importantly - he took sensible and reasonable precautions (using anti-virus, keeping software up to date, etc).
Considering he got hacked, there's no evidence he's not compromised.
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RollinThundr Apr 17, 2013, 12:25: Eh really tossing stuff like that in there only to get your panties all bunched up. If you really want to call that trolling sure.
Mr. Tact Apr 17, 2013, 12:33: Pretty sure that's the definition of trolling... |
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Re: Diablo III Patch |
May 29, 2012, 20:51 |
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Looks like can't play now because authenticator servers are wonky.
I do believe that this will be my last Blizzard product if they keep with the always online model for single player. Already cashed out on WoW and MMO's in general. |
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Re: Diablo III Patch |
May 29, 2012, 20:49 |
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nin wrote on May 29, 2012, 18:48:
And none of that is a guaranty. All it takes is one web site visit. I spend days cleaning up shit like that, when Kaspersky, MBAM, Spybot MSSE find nothing. But fireeye still shows the machine phoning home.
And none of that is blizzards fault. As I've already said, I checked whether he had visited any suspicious links or installed any dubious software and he hadn't. There is still no evidence that it's a malware infection and - more importantly - he took sensible and reasonable precautions (using anti-virus, keeping software up to date, etc).
HorrorScope wrote on May 29, 2012, 19:54:
Not that this is bad advice, but does anyone ever stop to think of this logically, about patches.
Lets say you updated everything today, you make it sound as if someone would be safe. But we know in a month MS and Adobe will have additional security patches. So how can you be safe today, when in a month more fixes are coming? Obviously something was missed this month. And a month after that more? How's come last months updates weren't good enough? And this months will be? That's exactly the point though. All you can do is keep your computer up to date and take sensible precautions. If somebody wants to get through then there's very little you can do. Yet people persist in blaming the victim. Now, let's compare this to rape. Are rape victims to blame for being too stupid to carry pepper spray or for wearing clothes that were too easy to get into or for not learning self-defence? It strikes me as quite ludicrous that people here are so willing to blame my brother despite knowing nothing about him and not knowing any of the details.
Krovven wrote on May 29, 2012, 19:34:
So even though the likelihood of the problem being 99% end-user related, Blizzard isn't doing enough? They use a random key gen hardware, release free software for smart phones and they still don't do enough? This is all to protect the masses that are incapable of protecting themselves. To my knowledge, the only other game company that has done as much is Sony with EQ, and that happened long after Blizzard did it for WoW. Nobody is denying that Blizzard has taken steps to improve security and is continuing to do so. However, a considerable number of people are having their experiences ruined by account hacks and there's a lot more that can be done. The reality is that you don't get this with other games. My brother and I play TF2 - another game with inventory and trading systems - and our accounts have never been hacked, nor have we needed an authenticator.
Blizzard has created a system that has inherent risk associated with it, due to the monetisation of in-game items. It is therefore their responsibility to go above and beyond in order to mitigate that increased risk. We haven't even got to the RMAH stage, when people will start associating their bank accounts / bank cards with the game. |
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Re: Diablo III Patch |
May 29, 2012, 20:13 |
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Pretty much every government branch and major company in the US (nevermind the rest of the world) has been hacked and continues to get hacked.
It's a good thing Blizzard made this traditionally SP game into a government like, hackable fucking game/mess so people can't dupe virtual, worthless, items.
D3 makes Roper look like a genius, and THAT'S hard to do these days. |
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