Verno wrote on May 29, 2012, 09:53:

I use caltrops as my escape skill as I find it suits party play much better, it lets me as well as my allies escape difficult scrapes and works great against extremely fast champions. So far I havent seen a single boss or champion that cant be held with caltrops. Caltrops FTW

They're great in Act 2 because all of that shit is annoying and runs around like crazy. Unfortunately their utility drops off a lot in A3/A4 and you need the Invuln from SS quite often. Fortunately you can really stick with 2 DPS skills and 4 utility on the DH and still have it work pretty well.

Theo wrote on May 29, 2012, 08:54:

Muscular Beaver wrote on May 29, 2012, 04:22:

Ive seen people like you who run around with 17k HP in Inferno and die every second. Yes, very much fun indeed and so unimportant!

People like me, have 600+ resists and tones of armor. youll find that when you do that, you dont get your bazzillion HPs eaten in seconds because its the most important part of damage mitigation.

So to retort,

Ive seen people like you who run around with 50 bazzillion HP in Inferno and die every second because you dont have any resist gear and think its viable to out gear it with flat HP.

Its people like that who are in the forums crying like hell because they dont understand how the game works and then complain that there HP alone isnt helping them and the game is somehow broken.

those people need to L2p.

I use caltrops as my escape skill as I find it suits party play much better, it lets me as well as my allies escape difficult scrapes and works great against extremely fast champions. So far I havent seen a single boss or champion that cant be held with caltrops. Caltrops FTW

Mr. Tact wrote on May 29, 2012, 09:36:

Verno wrote on May 29, 2012, 09:17:
Right now the game has become more about what absurd amount of gold I can attain by selling Inferno gear on the AH.

Ok, I gotta ask. What magnitude of gold are we talking about? 10s of thousands? 100s of thousands? millions?

Ok, I gotta ask. What magnitude of gold are we talking about? 10s of thousands? 100s of thousands? millions?

Verno wrote on May 29, 2012, 09:17:
Right now the game has become more about what absurd amount of gold I can attain by selling Inferno gear on the AH.

Verno wrote on May 29, 2012, 09:17:
Yeah I'm well aware of how they changed Inferno in the last month of development. Stacking resists isn't a catchall either, you need a fine tuned balance of vit, resists and DPS plus some group coordination to do the later acts of Inferno in a group environment.

Verno wrote on May 29, 2012, 09:17:
We're currently working through A4 and it's nothing short of brutal, I can't really see wanting to farm this sort of content either as the loot we're seeing isn't a lot of "fun" to collect. Right now the game has become more about what absurd amount of gold I can attain by selling Inferno gear on the AH.

Theo wrote on May 29, 2012, 08:54:
Its supposed to be a whole other difficulty, each act, is supposed to be a "tier" in effect in inferno. next patch youll start seeing the "ilvls" that drop so that you can see that not all lvl 60 lewt is equal. worry less about your build and stack some resists - you might need to run act 1 a lot first to get the money to do so.

Where do you even get resist gear? I've seen so few pieces drop with elemental resists and such compared to the primary stat buffs.

Muscular Beaver wrote on May 29, 2012, 04:22:

Ive seen people like you who run around with 17k HP in Inferno and die every second. Yes, very much fun indeed and so unimportant!

Verno wrote on May 29, 2012, 08:43:

Not trying to poop on your build ideas but Act 2 Inferno is like moving to a whole other difficulty. Good luck getting through it without Smoke Screen. I hate SS and prefer more active style skills like Vault but it's incredibly painful to play without SS in Inferno, the difficulty was not really play tested or balanced around most builds. There really isn't a lot of depth or strategy to the mechanics either btw, shit just hits absurdly hard and you basically gamble with what champion affixes you will get. Some are so awful that they have to be skipped.

The end game in general needs to be retuned, they are obviously letting the players beta test it for them.

Recently they nerfed a Demon Hunter skill which apparently was unbalanced and 'broken'. I have never used this skill in my build and the fact that Im quite successful at this point even in solo play (end of Act1 inferno) DESPITE the fact that I was not using the DERP skill tells me quite a lot about the game and that there is a whole shitload that simply has to learned through trial and error.

NKD wrote on May 29, 2012, 04:37:

Muscular Beaver wrote on May 29, 2012, 04:22:

Theo wrote on May 29, 2012, 03:33:

Muscular Beaver wrote on May 28, 2012, 18:49:
I just unlocked Inferno yesterday and the game instantly went from awesome to pure SUCK!
I have very good gear, lots of HP for a wizard, but there is no chance completing even act 1. People already have adapted. They dont play Inferno much, and if its being played, a few areas are being farmed, by avoiding mobs and running to chests and stuff.

Yeah, better gear will prolly change that, but I wont farm act 1 or Hell act 3 & 4 until I have 20 million to buy proper gear.
I feel like Im going to stop playing soon, because this is not fun.

repeat after me, HP is the least important stat in inferno.

Yeah, especially if the servers lag so much that you cant avoid getting hit, even as a wizard. Also you have to kite the elites all the time (which is another joke) and in tight quarters its even more impossible to avoid getting hit.

Ive seen people like you who run around with 17k HP in Inferno and die every second. Yes, very much fun indeed and so unimportant!

There's a certain level of Effective HP you should reach (Effective HP being HP modified by your resist and armor values), but the thing is that in Act 4 and to a lesser extent Act 3, survivability is not attainable. You WILL get ripped apart, regardless of your gear, if some mobs get near you.

The best defense in the later Acts is a good offense. You can't tank them anyway, so beyond a basic level of HP and resistance, you'd be stupid to even try. Without solid DPS and a reasonable kiting spec you will hit the enrage timers on the elite/champion packs and you will die.

What he should have said is that vitality whoring is a bad idea. You need some level of resists, and you need excellent DPS. Balanced stats are both more effective, and cheaper to obtain.

InBlack wrote on May 29, 2012, 06:30:
Good changes are coming but the game in its current state is hardly unplayable, unenjoyable or broken.

Sempai wrote on May 29, 2012, 06:08:
Tried logging in, servers are full, got put in a server Queue.

This is awesome!