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Re: Sherlock Holmes to Testify in September |
May 4, 2012, 12:41 |
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Jerykk wrote on May 4, 2012, 02:40:
I'm inclined to agree with Prez here. I think most adventure game fans care about interesting stories and characters more than obtuse and convoluted puzzles. That's not to say that the puzzles should be dumbed down, but they should have solutions that aren't completely arbitrary and illogical. There's nothing worse than knowing a very logical solution to a puzzle but not being allowed to actually do it because the game doesn't want you to. Ideally, there would be multiple solutions to any given problem. LA Noire was interesting in that you could actually complete cases without gathering all the evidence and testimony. You'd just get a different ending for each case depending on how thorough you were.
As a kid I loved the Monkey Island games. Adored. But going back to them now was painful. The puzzles often made no sense to me, or most of them at least.
Anyway, does this SH game have the creepy teleporting Watson of the prior ones?
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Re: Sherlock Holmes to Testify in September |
May 4, 2012, 12:21 |
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Jerykk wrote on May 4, 2012, 02:40:
I'm inclined to agree with Prez here. I think most adventure game fans care about interesting stories and characters more than obtuse and convoluted puzzles.
I think it might be a dead heat. A lot of people are extremely nostalgic about the King's Quest, Space Quest,(early) Police Quest and Leisure Suit Larry games, and I think these 4 series were extremely puzzle- rather than story/character-oriented. King's Quest and LSL had a particularly high number of arbitrary solutions, too (the same for Westwood's Legend of Kyrandia games).
Ultimately it's a difference of opinion between people who go in with the attitude that they're trying to outthink the designer, and people who get offended when the game doesn't reward them for solutions which ought to work. There's a great deal of middle ground, of course, but there is something to the argument that most adventure puzzles would be utterly trivial real world situations, as you could just go to the store and buy a bucket, or a screwdriver, or whatever, instead of constantly MacGyvering up solutions to uncomplicated problems using junk you found lying around in the street. |
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Re: Sherlock Holmes to Testify in September |
May 4, 2012, 02:40 |
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| I'm inclined to agree with Prez here. I think most adventure game fans care about interesting stories and characters more than obtuse and convoluted puzzles. That's not to say that the puzzles should be dumbed down, but they should have solutions that aren't completely arbitrary and illogical. There's nothing worse than knowing a very logical solution to a puzzle but not being allowed to actually do it because the game doesn't want you to. Ideally, there would be multiple solutions to any given problem. LA Noire was interesting in that you could actually complete cases without gathering all the evidence and testimony. You'd just get a different ending for each case depending on how thorough you were. |
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Re: Sherlock Holmes to Testify in September |
May 3, 2012, 21:28 |
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Amnesia is more survival-horror than Adventure. Adventure games don't need to be "adventures", I've played IF before where I'm an inanimate fucking object. The genre name is just a holdover from the first one being named "Adventure".
The booing and hissing was for your claim that the genre is dead and dislike of TLJ.
Some people like weird puzzles, fighting with the parser, and pixel hunting... That's the genre. I had a friend who was upset that there were tiny barely noticeable buttons hidden in Grimrock... I'd love that if I could play the damn game  |
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| [I'm not trolling I'm just] tossing stuff like that in there only to get your panties all bunched up. -TrollinThundr |
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Re: Sherlock Holmes to Testify in September |
May 3, 2012, 21:16 |
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Oh damn - I forgot you were an adventure game fan! 
Anyway, believe me, I wish I could say something positive about these games. Well, they have great writing - if only RPG's had writing half as good. And they can do mood and atmosphere like nobody's business. But still, after all this time, and we're still making proverbial fake mustaches out of proverbial cat hair, I have to ask - what is so adventurous about painfully obtuse puzzles?
Call me crazy, but I actually would like some 'adventure' in my adventure games!  Thank God for Amnesia - there's an adventure game with (thankfully logical) puzzles that still manages to feel like an adventure.
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Re: Sherlock Holmes to Testify in September |
May 3, 2012, 20:19 |
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Prez wrote on May 3, 2012, 19:11:
Elf Shot The Food wrote on May 3, 2012, 17:28:
I played Sherlock Holmes vs. Jack the Ripper. I had no idea that Holmes spent so much time solving sliding block puzzles and taming cobras in the stories.
LOL. The severe, arbitrary limitations imposed by the hopelessly obsolete point-and-click adventure genre basically marginalize what should be a fascinating and thoroughly engrossng experience. A while back on a whim a bought a trio of Sherlock Holmes games on a Steam sale and played several hours of one. The story was exquisite and mature, the mystery engaging and thrilling, the mood deliciously dark. And pretty much at every turn, as soon as fun was in danger of breaking out the game made fast work of it by making me play "what does the designer want me to do here, and exactly in what order" or better yet "where is the motherfucking pixel I'm supposed to click on since I know I figured this puzzle out an hour ago." These are flaws of the supposedly best examples the genre has to offer. I ended up quitting "The Longest Journey" in all three of my failed attempts to finally finish it, and it's supposed to be a classic. A band-aid on a rubber glove to fix an electrical wire? Really?
I mean its the 21st century - we really haven't evolved beyond these ridiculously short-sighted design flaws? Seriously? No wonder the adventure genre is long dead.
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| [I'm not trolling I'm just] tossing stuff like that in there only to get your panties all bunched up. -TrollinThundr |
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Re: Sherlock Holmes to Testify in September |
May 3, 2012, 19:11 |
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Elf Shot The Food wrote on May 3, 2012, 17:28:
I played Sherlock Holmes vs. Jack the Ripper. I had no idea that Holmes spent so much time solving sliding block puzzles and taming cobras in the stories.
LOL. The severe, arbitrary limitations imposed by the hopelessly obsolete point-and-click adventure genre basically marginalize what should be a fascinating and thoroughly engrossng experience. A while back on a whim a bought a trio of Sherlock Holmes games on a Steam sale and played several hours of one. The story was exquisite and mature, the mystery engaging and thrilling, the mood deliciously dark. And pretty much at every turn, as soon as fun was in danger of breaking out the game made fast work of it by making me play "what does the designer want me to do here, and exactly in what order" or better yet "where is the motherfucking pixel I'm supposed to click on since I know I figured this puzzle out an hour ago." These are flaws of the supposedly best examples the genre has to offer. I ended up quitting "The Longest Journey" in all three of my failed attempts to finally finish it, and it's supposed to be a classic. A band-aid on a rubber glove to fix an electrical wire? Really?
I mean its the 21st century - we really haven't evolved beyond these ridiculously short-sighted design flaws? Seriously? No wonder the adventure genre is long dead.
This comment was edited on May 3, 2012, 19:16. |
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Re: Sherlock Holmes to Testify in September |
May 3, 2012, 17:28 |
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| I played Sherlock Holmes vs. Jack the Ripper. I had no idea that Holmes spent so much time solving sliding block puzzles and taming cobras in the stories. |
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Re: Sherlock Holmes to Testify in September |
May 3, 2012, 10:38 |
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Verno wrote on May 3, 2012, 09:46:
Totally unrelated but that new Sherlock series on BBC is damned good television for anyone looking for something new to watch.
Not only is that show great, but Watson is Bilbo and Sherlock is Smaug.
They should make a game based off of that show. |
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Re: Sherlock Holmes to Testify in September |
May 3, 2012, 10:06 |
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| Everyone loves the idea of space exploration but unfortunately no one wants to pay for it |
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Playing: Super Mario 3D Land, Tales of Graces F, Fire Emblem 3DS
Watching: Hannibal, Community, Life |
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Re: Sherlock Holmes to Testify in September |
May 3, 2012, 10:00 |
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As much as I like Sherlock, for the love of all that is good why isnt there a NEW Star Trek on TV??? Or a newer Babylon 5???....or any kind of SF series that doesnt involve Steven Spielberg...
Its like humanity's interest in space has plumeted to a new low in 2012....Yeah retiring the shuttle, now that was a BRILLIANT IDEA...
Fuck space, we dont want to go there, nothing to see there, move along now...
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Re: Sherlock Holmes to Testify in September |
May 3, 2012, 09:48 |
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Verno wrote on May 3, 2012, 09:46:
Totally unrelated but that new Sherlock series on BBC is damned good television for anyone looking for something new to watch.
I did not know there was one. Which is fairly odd, given we get a lot of BBC stuff here in the Great White North. Personally I still love all the old Basil Rathbone film. He was the best Sherlock.
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Re: Sherlock Holmes to Testify in September |
May 3, 2012, 09:46 |
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The Testicles of Sherlock Holmes? Sounds a bit racy doesn't it?
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| "Are you crazy? Is that your problem?" - Jack Burton |
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Re: Sherlock Holmes to Testify in September |
May 3, 2012, 09:46 |
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| Totally unrelated but that new Sherlock series on BBC is damned good television for anyone looking for something new to watch. |
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Playing: Super Mario 3D Land, Tales of Graces F, Fire Emblem 3DS
Watching: Hannibal, Community, Life |
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