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Analyst: Blame CoD Decline on PC/Wii

Following up on a recent report that suggests sales of Call of Duty; Modern Warfare 3 are trailing behind those of Call of Duty: Black Ops, Gamasutra has a statement from an analyst blaming this on the game's afterthought platforms, the PC and Wii (thanks Joao). Word is: "Cowen's Doug Creutz said in his latest report that while life-to-date Modern Warfare 3 retail sales are indeed down 4.6 percent year-over-year compared to Black Ops, sales of the game on the Xbox 360 and PS3 platforms are actually slightly up year-over-year. However, large declines in sales of the versions of the game for Nintendo Wii, handheld platforms and PC have driven the overall decline, he suggests."

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28. Re: Analyst: Blame CoD Decline on PC/Wii Apr 19, 2012, 18:44 ASeven
 
Beamer wrote on Apr 19, 2012, 09:25:
ASeven wrote on Apr 18, 2012, 18:38:
Beamer wrote on Apr 18, 2012, 12:44:
Yup, workED. I can't imagine anyone paying you to make predictions.

Ah the weapon used by the shills and those weak of mind, the ad hominem to desperately move the attention away to how wrong they are.

Keep on going, monkey, keep on going. You amuse me to no end. It's always fun for me to break apologists, shills and fanboys apart.

All right back at you. You're wrong, you're weak of mind, you're a dancing monkey, and it's amazing that the 360 and PS3 turned out to have stronger 2011s than 2010s yet you're still claiming they're down.

You live in a different reality and, oddly, I've never once seen you admit you're wrong.

As long as you keep entertaining me with your apologist bullshit I know I'll always be right because you have to defend your apologist propaganda so much.

And having a stronger year is meaningless. 2 total game retail copies sold is much stronger than 1, won't save the guy that made the game though.

Apologists will apologist.
 
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27. Re: Analyst: Blame CoD Decline on PC/Wii Apr 19, 2012, 09:25 Beamer
 
ASeven wrote on Apr 18, 2012, 18:38:
Beamer wrote on Apr 18, 2012, 12:44:
Yup, workED. I can't imagine anyone paying you to make predictions.

Ah the weapon used by the shills and those weak of mind, the ad hominem to desperately move the attention away to how wrong they are.

Keep on going, monkey, keep on going. You amuse me to no end. It's always fun for me to break apologists, shills and fanboys apart.

All right back at you. You're wrong, you're weak of mind, you're a dancing monkey, and it's amazing that the 360 and PS3 turned out to have stronger 2011s than 2010s yet you're still claiming they're down.

You live in a different reality and, oddly, I've never once seen you admit you're wrong.
 
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26. Re: Point Of Sale? Apr 18, 2012, 20:48 Sepharo
 
Beamer wrote on Apr 18, 2012, 12:42:
Yeah, there's mild fragmentation, but those buying the DLC tend to be the most committed and best players. Weeding them out via DLC just means it's even easier to mop the floor with the remains.

Would you say that the more DLC that comes out the better you get?
 
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25. Peak versus/vs. Peek Apr 18, 2012, 20:48 Ant
 
DangerDog wrote on Apr 17, 2012, 20:39:
Looks like it still has a following on the PC to me

http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

46,093 players peek today.
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24. Re: Analyst: Blame CoD Decline on PC/Wii Apr 18, 2012, 18:38 ASeven
 
Beamer wrote on Apr 18, 2012, 12:44:
Yup, workED. I can't imagine anyone paying you to make predictions.

Ah the weapon used by the shills and those weak of mind, the ad hominem to desperately move the attention away to how wrong they are.

Keep on going, monkey, keep on going. You amuse me to no end. It's always fun for me to break apologists, shills and fanboys apart.
 
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23. Re: Analyst: Blame CoD Decline on PC/Wii Apr 18, 2012, 17:25 xXBatmanXx
 
The overall decline is that the product is repetitive and boring. PC players don't put up with it as much as console players....  
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22. Re: Point Of Sale? Apr 18, 2012, 12:48 Beamer
 
reisub wrote on Apr 18, 2012, 12:46:
Beamer wrote on Apr 18, 2012, 12:42:
...but mowing people down is oddly satisfying.
Clearly a psychopath in the making.

Heh.
But man, when an FPS has good mechanics and you get in the zone and just saw through people the second you see them, you get that hot knife through butter feeling. So satisfying. Over XBL MW3 gives you about 3 seconds of audio from the person you kill, too, so you hear that little bit of dissatisfaction.

Although I pretty much say "nice kill" or "good shot" after every death, and I don't think I've ever had someone say anything similar back to me.
 
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21. Re: Point Of Sale? Apr 18, 2012, 12:46 reisub
 
Beamer wrote on Apr 18, 2012, 12:42:
...but mowing people down is oddly satisfying.
Clearly a psychopath in the making.
 
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20. Re: Analyst: Blame CoD Decline on PC/Wii Apr 18, 2012, 12:44 Beamer
 
ASeven wrote on Apr 17, 2012, 22:47:
Beamer wrote on Apr 17, 2012, 22:14:
ASeven wrote on Apr 17, 2012, 20:20:
PC retail sales...

What PC retail sales? Holy shit this guy is a disgrace to my profession, he didn't really study anything about what he's talking about, he's just trying to reassure investors that all is ok. Holy fuck, PC retail sales is non-existant to begin with. What a sad case of not doing any homework at all.

This may be part of the point, ASeven. NPD only measures retail sales. So this is all analysts have to work with, as they can't properly measure Steam sales.
So PC sales are down, which is in part due to PC retail sales as a whole being down.

But, again fitting the "we're both wrong" theory, the 360 and PS3 seem to be stronger than ever.



You won't admit that, though. Nope, you still see every tiny thing as being manipulated into your own little theory. Hell, now you're claiming to be an equity analyst.

Shame that if the 360 and PS3 is stronger than the decline is far more serious then. Then again you had to take a chance to throw more apologist crap. Not surprised. Hell, go read the articles on gamasutra that do show people are worried this is a decline and not a cycle. Oh but you won't because it would show you are pretty wrong.

And the point is, there is no PC retail sales anymore, they no longer have any relevancy to whatever numbers NPD throws. PC sales have long become digital, retail is only a tiny fraction of PC gaming sales overall.

Oh and I worked as an equity analyst. Try not to make assumptions about my life, ok?

Yup, workED. I can't imagine anyone paying you to make predictions.
 
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19. Re: Point Of Sale? Apr 18, 2012, 12:42 Beamer
 
Jerykk wrote on Apr 18, 2012, 12:36:
I actually liked MW2 accept for the lack of server support, BlOps ruined all the fun of unlocking weapons and attachments... But I still bought it for PC.

The reason I never even considered MW3 is all the DLC that was planned to come out... $60 bucks is enough, if you expect me to drop another $100+ for a few maps but the same gameplay your crazy!

Didn't MW2 and BLOPS have tons of DLC too?

Pretty sure of it. I think I have 6.5 days in MW3 multiplayer right now. No plans to buy any DLC - don't need new maps. I'm getting better every day and my K:D ratio is rising rapidly. If I only game for about 30 minutes it's much easier to do 3 rounds of this than half of a Skyrim mission, or start something entirely new, so I just keep falling back to it. I really expected about 18 hours out of multiplayer, but mowing people down is oddly satisfying.

Yeah, there's mild fragmentation, but those buying the DLC tend to be the most committed and best players. Weeding them out via DLC just means it's even easier to mop the floor with the remains.
 
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18. Re: Point Of Sale? Apr 18, 2012, 12:36 Jerykk
 
I actually liked MW2 accept for the lack of server support, BlOps ruined all the fun of unlocking weapons and attachments... But I still bought it for PC.

The reason I never even considered MW3 is all the DLC that was planned to come out... $60 bucks is enough, if you expect me to drop another $100+ for a few maps but the same gameplay your crazy!

Didn't MW2 and BLOPS have tons of DLC too?
 
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17. Re: Point Of Sale? Apr 18, 2012, 10:57 Topevoli
 
I actually liked MW2 accept for the lack of server support, BlOps ruined all the fun of unlocking weapons and attachments... But I still bought it for PC.

The reason I never even considered MW3 is all the DLC that was planned to come out... $60 bucks is enough, if you expect me to drop another $100+ for a few maps but the same gameplay your crazy!

And I get it, "you don't need to buy all the DLC". But if you don't you are fragmented from the larger community, and it may be a unnoticeable dent in their profits, but I refuse to support a company with that mind set.

Companies used to make games to make money but also to create a great game that will be remembered and cherished. Now its "How little can we give them and still justify the price, We need to save our ideas for next year" and it sickens me.
 
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16. Point Of Sale? Apr 18, 2012, 08:53 Darth Guybrush
 
I think is what that means....  
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15. No subject Apr 18, 2012, 08:53 Darth Guybrush
 
I heard a developer posted today (somewhere here on Blues I think) that people by the Wii for the Sports and Fit games. That's it! No market for anything else on it. Sad but true.  
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14. Ditto! Apr 18, 2012, 08:49 Darth Guybrush
 
The CODs are frequent visitors to the Steam top 10.

I have them all on PC and enjoy them - I am just not into the multiplayer side - or a fanatic at least. So many other great games and so little spare time.

Personally if Activision keep charging AUD$99.00 for a game that has been out for ages reeks of greed [how long since MW3 was released?].

And with games like Skyrim with FREE mods and worthy others like Kingdoms of Amalur, the recently updated Witcher 2. Sheesh!
 
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13. Re: Analyst: Blame CoD Decline on PC/Wii Apr 18, 2012, 07:16 MercilessMing
 
Wait a minute the obvious question. I thought PC sales didn't exist, there wasn't a measurable pc market, companies don't make money on PC version, hence the bottom shouldn't be adjusted no matter how the PC version does? Hypocrisy at it's finest, next follow up will be
"the Piracy" is hurting sales? Analyst make up your mind, PC versions doesn't helps sells, piracy hurts sells, non-selling pc version hurts sells which is it?
 
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12. Re: Analyst: Blame CoD Decline on PC/Wii Apr 18, 2012, 01:06 Creston
 
So apparently not only do the console monkeys happily keep buying the same fucking game over and over again, but they convince more of their friends to do so as well.

And we wonder why the game industry has totally gone to shit. It's because that is the largest client base...

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11. Re: Analyst: Blame CoD Decline on PC/Wii Apr 18, 2012, 00:11 SirKnight
 
I stopped reading at analyst.  
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10. Re: Analyst: Blame CoD Decline on PC/Wii Apr 17, 2012, 22:47 ASeven
 
Beamer wrote on Apr 17, 2012, 22:14:
ASeven wrote on Apr 17, 2012, 20:20:
PC retail sales...

What PC retail sales? Holy shit this guy is a disgrace to my profession, he didn't really study anything about what he's talking about, he's just trying to reassure investors that all is ok. Holy fuck, PC retail sales is non-existant to begin with. What a sad case of not doing any homework at all.

This may be part of the point, ASeven. NPD only measures retail sales. So this is all analysts have to work with, as they can't properly measure Steam sales.
So PC sales are down, which is in part due to PC retail sales as a whole being down.

But, again fitting the "we're both wrong" theory, the 360 and PS3 seem to be stronger than ever.



You won't admit that, though. Nope, you still see every tiny thing as being manipulated into your own little theory. Hell, now you're claiming to be an equity analyst.

Shame that if the 360 and PS3 is stronger than the decline is far more serious then. Then again you had to take a chance to throw more apologist crap. Not surprised. Hell, go read the articles on gamasutra that do show people are worried this is a decline and not a cycle. Oh but you won't because it would show you are pretty wrong.

And the point is, there is no PC retail sales anymore, they no longer have any relevancy to whatever numbers NPD throws. PC sales have long become digital, retail is only a tiny fraction of PC gaming sales overall.

Oh and I worked as an equity analyst. Try not to make assumptions about my life, ok?
 
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9. Re: Analyst: Blame CoD Decline on PC/Wii Apr 17, 2012, 22:15 tuddies
 
Is somebody complaining that they made a few million dollars less? Where is my tear-soaked towel?  
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