Ozmodan wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 14:58:

Orogogus wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 14:52:

Ozmodan wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 14:47:
A tank is a tank is a tank. GamesWorkshop is run by a bunch of idiots to start with.

Secondly the designs are not even close to similar. Someone has gotten a bit too high.

I feel the second tank is the one that should really be in Blue's original post, as it's horrifically damning.

Link from rockpapershotgun

Sorry but I have to disagree with you, it looks like any tank and they are NOT similar, they have significant differences.

Orogogus wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 15:01:
Seriously?? Is that first image loading for you? Dual turreted guns with the same nozzle end, with a grille in the middle of the turret and another in the front-center of the main body, the same armor plating on the sides and a spiked steamroller? I really can't fathom not finding them similar.

Ozmodan wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 14:58:

Orogogus wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 14:52:

Ozmodan wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 14:47:
A tank is a tank is a tank. GamesWorkshop is run by a bunch of idiots to start with.

Secondly the designs are not even close to similar. Someone has gotten a bit too high.

I feel the second tank is the one that should really be in Blue's original post, as it's horrifically damning.

Link from rockpapershotgun

Sorry but I have to disagree with you, it looks like any tank and they are NOT similar, they have significant differences.

Orogogus wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 14:52:

Ozmodan wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 14:47:
A tank is a tank is a tank. GamesWorkshop is run by a bunch of idiots to start with.

Secondly the designs are not even close to similar. Someone has gotten a bit too high.

I feel the second tank is the one that should really be in Blue's original post, as it's horrifically damning.

Link from rockpapershotgun

Ozmodan wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 14:47:
A tank is a tank is a tank. GamesWorkshop is run by a bunch of idiots to start with.

Secondly the designs are not even close to similar. Someone has gotten a bit too high.

Orogogus wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 14:47:
"Nowhere did I see anyone make the abandonware argument"
- Practically every single entry in that link you provided was the guy saying something to the effect of "This isn't even in print any more, so I don't know why GW is angry." Examples:

"A big shout out to the fans who supported this game all the years that GW ignored it."
"Can anyone actually play these games with just a rules summary? Actually, does anyone actually play a game like this anymore at all?"
"Another game long, long out of print. Why bother having the file removed?"
"The sad thing is, if some of these games had been supported by the company instead of being abandoned they would have made money out of them."
"This one goes back to 1980. I fail to see how I could be affecting the company with a rules summary for it."
"There goes all the Battlecars stuff. My rework of this game took a long, long time to do and it's a shame I can't share it with anyone anymore. Or maybe GW is planning a re-release of this 1983 game? Yeah, right."
"All my work for Man O' War is gone. In addition to the summary, I'd redone all the ship cards to a standard size and format - thanks for all your help Scott (manowarplayer), we worked hard on that project didn't we?"
"Yet another long-defunct game - I spent many hours doing new reference cards for all the units for this one."

SXO wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 13:56:
I enjoy harping on EA as much as anybody, but even I can't put the blame for this on them. More than likely this was some relatively new art dev working for the studio that's making the game who's just not imaginative enough to come up with some original designs.

Orogogus wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 14:20:
Well, we're talking about Space Hulk specifically, which doesn't really need minis to play. There were definitely rules summaries up and map tiles, which is basically the whole game. ASeven agrees that there were some infringing files, and it's agreed that GW gave a broad notice and BGG did a wide takedown. What part is in contention, exactly?

Orogogus wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 14:20:
EDIT: A lot of those player aids in your link were basically up with the abandonware argument, that GW isn't doing anything with those games or had posted them online themselves so anything goes. And there's one guy in the Space Hulk entry who outright says that he put together a copy from the player aids (and other people noting that that's not really helping).

EDIT 2: I mean, seriously: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/46348/space-hulk-a-diy-geeklist

That's like a how-to guide on how to get a c-and-d.

Orogogus wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 14:00:
From what I call of the BGG furor, they were hosting a lot of files, which put together as a whole pretty much obviated the need for ever buying the game if you had a printer. GW sent a notice that BGG was in violation, without specifying what exactly was in violation of what, and in response BGG nuked everything. Fandom went apeshit, life went on.

SXO wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 13:56:
I enjoy harping on EA as much as anybody, but even I can't put the blame for this on them. More than likely this was some relatively new art dev working for the studio that's making the game who's just not imaginative enough to come up with some original designs.

Orogogus wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 14:00:
From what I call of the BGG furor, they were hosting a lot of files, which put together as a whole pretty much obviated the need for ever buying the game if you had a printer. GW sent a notice that BGG was in violation, without specifying what exactly was in violation of what, and in response BGG nuked everything. Fandom went apeshit, life went on.

Orogogus wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 13:20:
There is such a thing as selective context.
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BE AWARE that we will happily spend money bringing counterfeiters and other infringers to justice, regardless of the cost. Such activities kill the hobby for everyone.

This is not exactly the same thing as saying they'll sue you, personally, for posting a picture of your painted minis, or making a fansite. They clearly want to come to an accommodation with the people generating good buzz for them with mods, fansites, etc., but not counterfeiters or file sharers. I mean, you make them sound like blithering idiots, but the history I can find on Google and their stated policies seem fairly reasonable.

We are encountering people who counterfeit our miniatures and products more and more frequently. Counterfeiting is a crime in most countries worldwide. In addition to the other penalties, you can go to prison for counterfeiting. The same is true of peer-to-peer file sharing - if you have not paid for the material and you download it using peer-to-peer software, you are engaging in illegal activity. The same is true even if you already own a copy of the relevant Codex or Army Book. Please remember that Games Workshop does not produce its rule books or codices in electronic format - if you ever see any such material in electronic format, it is likely to be the product of criminal or infringing activity.

BE AWARE that we will happily spend money bringing counterfeiters and other infringers to justice, regardless of the cost. Such activities kill the hobby for everyone.