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0x10cͨ Screenshots

Markus" notch" Persson tweets the release of some prototype screenshots from 0x10cͨ, Mojang's upcoming space game. He's also added a note to the section mentioning "hard science fiction" to back off that a bit: "Update: GAH, NO! I'm focusing on fun gameplay instead. I still want to get corrected on glaring scientific errors, though."

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34. Re: 0x10<sup>c</sup>&#872; Screenshots Apr 12, 2012, 14:39 Beamer
 
Data wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 14:32:
Boy, you old gaming Geezers have no fucking imagination at all. Notch, I am inspired by your old school, clinky 3d graphics. Save me from the cancer that expects everything to have high detail normal maps, and has so quickly forgotten the spirit minecraft brought us. If you are honestly complaining of the graphics now.. you have.

Can you just pretend that Notch is making you feel young again too? Just for a moment. Remember when you gizzed over quake graphics. try to think that way again, or has the dark side of "13 year old call of duty graphics" infected your gaming soul.

This is a bit unfair. For one, you mock CoD as "13 year old graphics" yet you say people are stupid for mocking graphics that look out of date.

For another, everyone overlooked Minecraft's ugly graphics (and they were ugly) because they were functional. The functionality made the ugliness somewhat charming.
Ugliness doesn't seem to be functional in this game, so people are more critical of it. That, plus part of the appeal of space sims was always that they were beautiful.


I agree it's early to be concerned, as these are potentially placeholder, but I think it's clear that people want graphics to be not-ugly. Not necessarily state of the art, but not-ugly. I'd wager Notch incorporates art direction in a few months.




As for why Notch revealed this, I honestly do not think Notch has much marketing savvy. Not because he couldn't, but because it is meaningless to him. He does what he wants, and if you like it you buy it. He's just a guy coding something and enjoys sharing it and discussing it. Again, that's his charm. I do not think he gave any thought to whether this would hurt or help him, he just wanted to show people what he was working on, not for his own benefit but because he thinks he's doing something fun and likes to talk about it.
 
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33. Re: 0x10<sup>c</sup>&#872; Screenshots Apr 12, 2012, 14:32 Data
 
Boy, you old gaming Geezers have no fucking imagination at all. Notch, I am inspired by your old school, clinky 3d graphics. Save me from the cancer that expects everything to have high detail normal maps, and has so quickly forgotten the spirit minecraft brought us. If you are honestly complaining of the graphics now.. you have.

Can you just pretend that Notch is making you feel young again too? Just for a moment. Remember when you gizzed over quake graphics. try to think that way again, or has the dark side of "13 year old call of duty graphics" infected your gaming soul.
 
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32. Re: 0x10<sup>c</sup>&#872; Screenshots Apr 12, 2012, 14:26 NKD
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 14:12:
Can someone explain to me what the potential upside is from releasing these? Because if you ask me all it does is invite criticism -- deserved or not.

A lot of people want to see it. I know I enjoy seeing a game come together from the very beginning. And he WANTS constructive criticism. Of course that means filtering through all the bullshit from the more intellectually stunted gamers.

Notch isn't a really marketing minded guy. He's a developer. He has an almost naive approach to communicating with the fans. He posts things assuming fans will understand that nothing is set in stone in a game that's been in development for a few weeks.

I think that kind of openness and honesty is refreshing, and since he's not enslaved to some oppressive publisher, he has the freedom to do it.
 
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31. Re: 0x10<sup>c</sup>&#872; Screenshots Apr 12, 2012, 14:13 killer_roach
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 14:12:
Can someone explain to me what the potential upside is from releasing these? Because if you ask me all it does is invite criticism -- deserved or not.

That may very well be the point - Notch might be operating from the school of "no publicity is bad publicity". He's certainly gotten people talking, now, hasn't he?
 
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30. Re: 0x10<sup>c</sup>&#872; Screenshots Apr 12, 2012, 14:12 Mr. Tact
 
Can someone explain to me what the potential upside is from releasing these? Because if you ask me all it does is invite criticism -- deserved or not.  
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29. Re: 0x10<sup>c</sup>&#872; Screenshots Apr 12, 2012, 13:58 killer_roach
 
NKD wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 13:31:
killer_roach wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 13:25:
Topevoli wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 11:33:
Its a prototype. It has nothing to do with graphics and they are purposely under developed.

If they're deliberately underdeveloped, then he's an idiot for posting them online. That's pretty much a flagrant violation of Game Marketing 101 there - never give people a less-than-positive impression of your game relative to the plans for it.

You people bitch and moan about games being shrouded in miles and miles of MarketingSpeak, but when someone has a transparent and open development process, you bitch and moan about that too?

You're talking to the wrong person about that. I'm an economist - I'm the person everybody here hates when it comes to business decisions.
 
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28. Re: 0x10<sup>c</sup>&#872; Screenshots Apr 12, 2012, 13:45 NKD
 
Dmitri_M wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 13:42:
NKD wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 13:40:
Dmitri_M wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 13:36:
Yes. Too many Gen X'ers and Gen Y'ers here. Not enough Millennial Gen blind optimism.

What? Sorry I'm a bit confused as to how your post relates to the seemingly illogical disconnect between hating both marketing-infused and open development processes.

It was just a joke.

Oh, okay. Guess I didn't get it
 
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27. Re: 0x10<sup>c</sup>&#872; Screenshots Apr 12, 2012, 13:42 Dmitri_M
 
NKD wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 13:40:
Dmitri_M wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 13:36:
Yes. Too many Gen X'ers and Gen Y'ers here. Not enough Millennial Gen blind optimism.

What? Sorry I'm a bit confused as to how your post relates to the seemingly illogical disconnect between hating both marketing-infused and open development processes.

It was just a joke.
 
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26. Re: 0x10<sup>c</sup>&#872; Screenshots Apr 12, 2012, 13:40 NKD
 
Dmitri_M wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 13:36:
Yes. Too many Gen X'ers and Gen Y'ers here. Not enough Millennial Gen blind optimism.

What? Sorry I'm a bit confused as to how your post relates to the seemingly illogical disconnect between hating both marketing-infused and open development processes.
 
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25. Re: 0x10<sup>c</sup>&#872; Screenshots Apr 12, 2012, 13:36 Dmitri_M
 
NKD wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 13:31:
killer_roach wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 13:25:
Topevoli wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 11:33:
Its a prototype. It has nothing to do with graphics and they are purposely under developed.

If they're deliberately underdeveloped, then he's an idiot for posting them online. That's pretty much a flagrant violation of Game Marketing 101 there - never give people a less-than-positive impression of your game relative to the plans for it.

You people bitch and moan about games being shrouded in miles and miles of MarketingSpeak, but when someone has a transparent and open development process, you bitch and moan about that too?

Yes. Too many Gen X'ers and Gen Y'ers here. Not enough Millennial Gen blind optimism.
 
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24. Re: 0x10<sup>c</sup>&#872; Screenshots Apr 12, 2012, 13:31 NKD
 
killer_roach wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 13:25:
Topevoli wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 11:33:
Its a prototype. It has nothing to do with graphics and they are purposely under developed.

If they're deliberately underdeveloped, then he's an idiot for posting them online. That's pretty much a flagrant violation of Game Marketing 101 there - never give people a less-than-positive impression of your game relative to the plans for it.

You people bitch and moan about games being shrouded in miles and miles of MarketingSpeak, but when someone has a transparent and open development process, you bitch and moan about that too?
 
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23. Re: 0x10<sup>c</sup>&#872; Screenshots Apr 12, 2012, 13:27 Beamer
 
killer_roach wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 13:25:
Topevoli wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 11:33:
Its a prototype. It has nothing to do with graphics and they are purposely under developed.

If they're deliberately underdeveloped, then he's an idiot for posting them online. That's pretty much a flagrant violation of Game Marketing 101 there - never give people a less-than-positive impression of your game relative to the plans for it.

Honestly, I think what you're going to see isn't going to be too far removed.

Notch as a whole is a flagrant violation of Game Marketing 101. It's gotten him in trouble on many occasions, but it's part of his charm. He's 100% open and, as far as I know, honest, with his fans. If he's thinking something you know it. If he's working on something you see it.

Consider this not an effort to gain sales but a guy letting people see how he develops games.
 
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22. Re: 0x10<sup>c</sup>&#872; Screenshots Apr 12, 2012, 13:25 Necrophob
 
Cutter wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 12:33:
Anyone who doesn't think this is what the game will look like is nuts. He's a one trick pony. Nuff said.

If it has fun mechanics/game-play, people will overlook the shitty graphics, just like Minecraft. He'll just lose out on the people who see crappy graphics and say "that game looks horrible, no way".

Judging from a few of the shots though, it doesn't look locked into the cube motif.
 
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21. Re: 0x10<sup>c</sup>&#872; Screenshots Apr 12, 2012, 13:25 killer_roach
 
Topevoli wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 11:33:
Its a prototype. It has nothing to do with graphics and they are purposely under developed.

If they're deliberately underdeveloped, then he's an idiot for posting them online. That's pretty much a flagrant violation of Game Marketing 101 there - never give people a less-than-positive impression of your game relative to the plans for it.

Honestly, I think what you're going to see isn't going to be too far removed.
 
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20. Re: 0x10<sup>c</sup>&#872; Screenshots Apr 12, 2012, 12:33 Cutter
 
Anyone who doesn't think this is what the game will look like is nuts. He's a one trick pony. Nuff said.
 
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19. Re: 0x10<sup>c</sup>&#872; Screenshots Apr 12, 2012, 12:28 Beelzebud
 
He has said that he's going for plain polygons with no textures, as the "style" of the game, so it's fair to criticize that aspect. If he was worried about people criticizing alpha quality screen shots, he wouldn't be posting them online...

Personally I'm going to have fun watching this. Maybe not for the same reasons as everyone else, but it will be amusing to see how this plays out. (I don't expect much)
 
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18. Re: 0x10<sup>c</sup>&#872; Screenshots Apr 12, 2012, 12:13 NKD
 
Beamer wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 12:05:
Well, these graphics serve no purpose unless building out of cubes.
As others have said, though, it's way too early to be concerned about graphics.

You build using a rudimentary and easy to use in-game 3D model editor. You're not restricted to cubes, but given the tools at your disposal you'll be building using relatively simple shapes.

High res textures on simple shapes often looks terrible. Especially when you can stretch and scale them.

It's not cubes, but it is a very retro TIE Fighter era style.
 
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17. Re: 0x10<sup>c</sup>&#872; Screenshots Apr 12, 2012, 12:05 Beamer
 
NKD wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 11:57:
Dmitri_M wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 11:53:
The simplistic blocks worked in Minecraft because it was a sandbox game. The blocky shapes made the game accessible to anyone who has ever played with toy blocks as a child.

0x10 sounds like much more an actual game with mechanics rather than a sandbox "do anything".

He said it would involve "hard science", accessing onboard systems, fixing things. Isn't possible to achieve that without bumbling around in these cube like graphics?

If he isn't a one trick pony, perhaps he can devise an alternate 2D tiled way of doing the graphics that still allow customisation. I mean, how many space ship interiors can you really design using just 1 meter x 1 meter cubes?

It's a good thing this game doesn't involve building things out of cubes then. (Well, you could, but your shit would be pretty ugly.)

Well, these graphics serve no purpose unless building out of cubes.
As others have said, though, it's way too early to be concerned about graphics.
 
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16. Re: 0x10<sup>c</sup>&#872; Screenshots Apr 12, 2012, 11:57 NKD
 
Dmitri_M wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 11:53:
The simplistic blocks worked in Minecraft because it was a sandbox game. The blocky shapes made the game accessible to anyone who has ever played with toy blocks as a child.

0x10 sounds like much more an actual game with mechanics rather than a sandbox "do anything".

He said it would involve "hard science", accessing onboard systems, fixing things. Isn't possible to achieve that without bumbling around in these cube like graphics?

If he isn't a one trick pony, perhaps he can devise an alternate 2D tiled way of doing the graphics that still allow customisation. I mean, how many space ship interiors can you really design using just 1 meter x 1 meter cubes?

It's a good thing this game doesn't involve building things out of cubes then. (Well, you could, but your shit would be pretty ugly.)
 
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15. Re: 0x10<sup>c</sup>&#872; Screenshots Apr 12, 2012, 11:55 TychoCelchuuu
 
Mad Max RW wrote on Apr 12, 2012, 11:21:
I'm not sure what he's trying to show off here. It looks like placeholder stuff for testing the lighting engine. Why even waste time posting this?
I'm not sure what you're trying to critique here. It looks like content-less stuff for criticizing the developer for some reason. Why even waste time posting this?

This guy's giving everyone the full details of the game as he develops it. Some people like seeing how a game is made: viewing the progress from step one to step seven million. It's not like he's personally emailing the screenshots to you and asking you to comment. If you don't want to see 0x10^c or whatever until it's done, then just ignore it until it's done.
 
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