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Bulletstorm Sequel Cancelled; PC Piracy Mentioned

In spite of EA saying the original "under-performed," a sequel to Bulletstorm was in the works at People Can Fly before being cancelled by parent company Epic Games reports GameSpot, who hear from Epic president Mike Capps on the topic. Mike indicates they have put the Polish developer on a different project they will "be announcing pretty soon," though there is no clue if this is the recently revealed PC game Epic is planning. "We thought a lot about a sequel, and had done some initial development on it, but we found a project that we thought was a better fit for People Can Fly," he said. "We haven't announced that yet, but we will be announcing it pretty soon." He goes on to praise Bulletstorm and says he'd love to go back to the property, "but right now we don't have anything to talk about." Just to stir the pot a little, the story concludes with Capps' comment that sales of the PC version may have been harmed by piracy: "We made a PC version of Bulletstorm, and it didn't do very well on PC and I think a lot of that was due to piracy. It wasn't the best PC port ever, sure, but also piracy was a pretty big problem."

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199. Re: Bulletstorm Sequel Cancelled; PC Piracy Mentioned Apr 11, 2012, 18:07 ASeven
 
StingingVelvet wrote on Apr 11, 2012, 17:20:
ASeven wrote on Apr 11, 2012, 16:54:
Though you saying everyone has an agenda is hilarious since you did say earlier in this thread that the internet should be regulated by laws to fight piracy. Once someone says such enormous aberration out of their mouths anything else they may say on the current discussion is rendered moot and worthless. The whole internet didn't fight SOPA and PIPA and now ACTA just because they were in a mood.

I didn't say it should be, I said it will be, which makes sense overall because things always go down this way. And I didn't say any current model is right or proper.

As for the whole internet fighting it, 90% were sheep. Most of them didn't even have a clue it only applied to foreign based websites, they were all saying youtube was gonna fall.

Anyway, my main point is that when people take advantage of freedoms to do shit that hurts those in power creating jobs the government is gonna smack that freedom down. Happens over and over and over again.

Wow... are you for real? You accuse that 90% of people fighting SOPA were sheep and then you blather loud and clear like one. Wow.

Here's a quick way of saying it, my style: Fuck off. Taking away freedoms has happened too much and it has reached a critical point, otherwise the whole internet wouldn't rise up to fight such laws as they did. Or the Pirate Party who defends internet and personal freedom wouldn't be right now the third fucking biggest party in Germany that according to polls will win a lot of seats in the German govt. OR in Austria where it's the 4th biggest party now, I believe. You wouldn't see the rise of these parties if people were sheep as you claim. Or how Poland and many Eastern European countries had HUGE street protests against ACTA and it was so bad even Polish MPs wore Guy Fawkes/Anonymous masks on the motherfucking Polish parliament. In fact these protests have pretty much killed ACTA in Europe since the Eastern countries now are refusing to sign that EU treaty, therefore rendering it completely void for all EU. This is not a sign of sheepish people, on the contrary, it's a sign of informed people who are sick of this shit.

No sorry, just fuck off. It won't be due to sheep like you, and yes you are the sheep here, that will lie down and take it in the ass that MY personal freedom and the freedoms of everyone around it will be taken away. And if you think that it will happen, just look at what will happen with CISPA now as the net is stirring again.

A small group abusing things IS NOT a fucking excuse to destroy freedom for all just because a tiny elitist group wants it.
 
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198. Re: Bulletstorm Sequel Cancelled; PC Piracy Mentioned Apr 11, 2012, 17:26 Dades
 
Chromius wrote on Apr 11, 2012, 17:23:
So now we are flagrantly abusing our freedom? Whoa back the train up, so that means we need to have our freedom removed because of other peoples flagrant abuse. There is a loophole in everything yet when its abuse by a small amount it equals our freedom removed. A person shoots someone with a gun it an excuse to start a vendetta to take away gun rights.

Hey the rich use and abuse loopholes in a great many things do you see their freedoms being removed? Or any Bills or Laws passed to rein it in. We lose our freedom whenever the wealthy or govt feels insecure about its hold on domination and or mostly greed. Like profit loopholes to not pay billions or even a trillion in taxes and we are worried about pirating a 20 dollar console port. lol. Yes Congress please convene so we can pass a new Bill.

Thank you, this is almost exactly what I thought when I read when I read that garbage he wrote about people abusing freedom.
 
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197. Re: Bulletstorm Sequel Cancelled; PC Piracy Mentioned Apr 11, 2012, 17:23 Chromius
 
StingingVelvet wrote on Apr 11, 2012, 13:30:
I don't really see how it's different from any other cause of regulation. Sure big companies push it for money reasons, but in the end they can only do so because people are so flagrantly abusive of the freedom offered.

Pretty much every regulation comes from similar abuses.

So now we are flagrantly abusing our freedom? Whoa back the train up, so that means we need to have our freedom removed because of other peoples flagrant abuse. There is a loophole in everything yet when its abuse by a small amount it equals our freedom removed. A person shoots someone with a gun it an excuse to start a vendetta to take away gun rights.

Hey the rich use and abuse loopholes in a great many things do you see their freedoms being removed? Or any Bills or Laws passed to rein it in. We lose our freedom whenever the wealthy or govt feels insecure about its hold on domination and or mostly greed. Like profit loopholes to not pay billions or even a trillion in taxes and we are worried about pirating a 20 dollar console port. lol. Yes Congress please convene so we can pass a new Bill.
 
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196. Re: Bulletstorm Sequel Cancelled; PC Piracy Mentioned Apr 11, 2012, 17:23 StingingVelvet
 
Prez wrote on Apr 11, 2012, 16:27:
Everyone has a fucking agenda. Everyone.

So... what's yours?

I try to be as centrist as possible, which I suppose is an agenda. In this particular case though I love games, even most games people here complain about, and want to support them being made. I don't have a customer is always right mentality, actually I tend to assume the opposite. Most people are fucking stupid.

I try to call them like I see them, but honestly I probably have a thing against blind hatred of "the man" for hatred's sake, which a lot of times is what the comment section on this website is about.
 
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195. Re: Bulletstorm Sequel Cancelled; PC Piracy Mentioned Apr 11, 2012, 17:20 StingingVelvet
 
ASeven wrote on Apr 11, 2012, 16:54:
Though you saying everyone has an agenda is hilarious since you did say earlier in this thread that the internet should be regulated by laws to fight piracy. Once someone says such enormous aberration out of their mouths anything else they may say on the current discussion is rendered moot and worthless. The whole internet didn't fight SOPA and PIPA and now ACTA just because they were in a mood.

I didn't say it should be, I said it will be, which makes sense overall because things always go down this way. And I didn't say any current model is right or proper.

As for the whole internet fighting it, 90% were sheep. Most of them didn't even have a clue it only applied to foreign based websites, they were all saying youtube was gonna fall.

Anyway, my main point is that when people take advantage of freedoms to do shit that hurts those in power creating jobs the government is gonna smack that freedom down. Happens over and over and over again.
 
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194. Re: Bulletstorm Sequel Cancelled; PC Piracy Mentioned Apr 11, 2012, 16:54 ASeven
 
StingingVelvet wrote on Apr 11, 2012, 16:21:
ASeven wrote on Apr 11, 2012, 14:41:
That kind of idiotic shit, making up fake data without any evidence whatsoever, turns you into a fucking apologist. Want to gain respect from everyone here? Stop making shit up to defend a decaying industry, it's that simple.

And the people on the other side aren't doing the same exact thing, disregarding piracy and acting like it's not a big deal so that the companies always look wrong?

Everyone has a fucking agenda. Everyone.

Shame that the rare reliable studies that do exist on piracy point in the direction of non-commercial piracy not being as bad as people paint it. And the studies the governments made point that the studies entertainment businesses make are deeply flawed, like that US govt report. And there's nothing more other than corporate bullshit and propaganda that was debunked by the US govt in that report.

Though you saying everyone has an agenda is hilarious since you did say earlier in this thread that the internet should be regulated by laws to fight piracy. Once someone says such enormous aberration out of their mouths anything else they may say on the current discussion is rendered moot and worthless. The whole internet didn't fight SOPA and PIPA and now ACTA just because they were in a mood.

Regulations are to be made carefully. Regulations made with the help of corporations to end a problem that only affects corporations anyway (piracy does not affect or negatively impact, not much anyway, governments) is not good. Those problems should be solved by the corporations themselves without turning governments into their private police, it is a private crime, not a public one, at least non-commercial, individual piracy is.

So I'm sorry but anyone with a clear agenda here is you and people like Beamer and Krovven and the likes.

EDIT: And here's my agenda: I'm pro-consumer in these days where laws are clearly anti-consumer and pro-corporations. I will fight against anything that impacts consumers in terrible ways. Regulating the internet and hence free speech, since SOPA was pretty much using piracy as an excuse to destroy innovation, free speech and competition of the big corps, is something I will fight against and will be 100% opposed.
 
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193. Re: Bulletstorm Sequel Cancelled; PC Piracy Mentioned Apr 11, 2012, 16:48 ASeven
 
Prez wrote on Apr 11, 2012, 16:11:
You know, trolls and corporate lapdogs inflating posts with fallacies everywhere, rational people offering logical responses, cycle repeats. That and people are pissed for the piracy card being used again on the same phrase they say the PC port was not that good.

You could have just said 'Beamer'. Biggest troll on the site. Truthfully I am not really interested in any more debate about piracy. While it is an utterly insignificant factor in how well a title performs, publishers and their shills will continue to use it as the go-to crutch to point to when their flawed, poorly marketed game sells like crap. That's not going to change. Been there, done that, yadda yadda yadda.

Nah, Beamer is only one, Krovven and CJparker joined the party as well.
 
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192. Re: Bulletstorm Sequel Cancelled; PC Piracy Mentioned Apr 11, 2012, 16:27 Prez
 
Everyone has a fucking agenda. Everyone.

So... what's yours?
 
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191. Re: Bulletstorm Sequel Cancelled; PC Piracy Mentioned Apr 11, 2012, 16:21 StingingVelvet
 
ASeven wrote on Apr 11, 2012, 14:41:
That kind of idiotic shit, making up fake data without any evidence whatsoever, turns you into a fucking apologist. Want to gain respect from everyone here? Stop making shit up to defend a decaying industry, it's that simple.

And the people on the other side aren't doing the same exact thing, disregarding piracy and acting like it's not a big deal so that the companies always look wrong?

Everyone has a fucking agenda. Everyone.
 
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190. Re: Bulletstorm Sequel Cancelled; PC Piracy Mentioned Apr 11, 2012, 16:11 Prez
 
You know, trolls and corporate lapdogs inflating posts with fallacies everywhere, rational people offering logical responses, cycle repeats. That and people are pissed for the piracy card being used again on the same phrase they say the PC port was not that good.

You could have just said 'Beamer'. Biggest troll on the site. Truthfully I am not really interested in any more debate about piracy. While it is an utterly insignificant factor in how well a title performs, publishers and their shills will continue to use it as the go-to crutch to point to when their flawed, poorly marketed game sells like crap. That's not going to change. Been there, done that, yadda yadda yadda.
 
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189. Re: Bulletstorm Sequel Cancelled; PC Piracy Mentioned Apr 11, 2012, 15:21 Bhruic
 
Speculation is based upon assumption

Sigh.

Once again, there is reasoned speculation/assumption, and presumptious. For example, if you were to say that you think it's going to be cold tomorrow, we can assume that you are doing so reasonably, based on things like "how warm was it today", and "what weather patterns are moving into place for tomorrow". If, however, you said it was going to be 40F tomorrow, there would be a higher expectation of proof on your part. How did you determine what the temperature is going to be? What qualifications allow you to make that determination? Etc.

Once you bring out numbers like "over a million copies downloaded", and "over one hundred thousand people would have bought it", you better have some evidence to back that up if you want to be taken seriously. Which I assume you do.

If you don't want to be taken seriously, disregard everything I've posted, and continue your "speculation".
 
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188. Re: Bulletstorm Sequel Cancelled; PC Piracy Mentioned Apr 11, 2012, 14:41 ASeven
 
Beamer wrote on Apr 11, 2012, 14:07:
ASeven wrote on Apr 10, 2012, 10:55:
And Beamer once again being the fucking industry apologetic. No surprises there either.

What baffles me here is that I don't get how what I'm saying makes me an apologist.

To break down my points:
1) Piracy is not a good thing
2) Piracy leads to lost sales
3) Piracy is inevitable
4) Piracy does not break many games, if any
5) Piracy estimates should possibly be built into sales estimates, but more likely don't need to be as it's kind of independent
6) Developers hate piracy from an emotional standpoint and their opinions about piracy aren't always rational for that reason, much like a parent often doesn't react rationally to a child being picked on by another child


Somehow this is apologizing, most likely because you seem to think piracy leads to higher revenues.

You left out all those numbers about torrents you pulled out from fantasy land. And many more details like that. If you are a rational person and not an apologist you wouldn't have said, let me see, " Bulletstorm was pirated more than a million times."

That kind of idiotic shit, making up fake data without any evidence whatsoever, turns you into a fucking apologist. Want to gain respect from everyone here? Stop making shit up to defend a decaying industry, it's that simple.

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187. Re: Bulletstorm Sequel Cancelled; PC Piracy Mentioned Apr 11, 2012, 14:07 Beamer
 
ASeven wrote on Apr 10, 2012, 10:55:
And Beamer once again being the fucking industry apologetic. No surprises there either.

What baffles me here is that I don't get how what I'm saying makes me an apologist.

To break down my points:
1) Piracy is not a good thing
2) Piracy leads to lost sales
3) Piracy is inevitable
4) Piracy does not break many games, if any
5) Piracy estimates should possibly be built into sales estimates, but more likely don't need to be as it's kind of independent
6) Developers hate piracy from an emotional standpoint and their opinions about piracy aren't always rational for that reason, much like a parent often doesn't react rationally to a child being picked on by another child


Somehow this is apologizing, most likely because you seem to think piracy leads to higher revenues.
 
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186. Re: Bulletstorm Sequel Cancelled; PC Piracy Mentioned Apr 11, 2012, 14:07 Verno
 
StingingVelvet wrote on Apr 11, 2012, 13:30:
I don't really see how it's different from any other cause of regulation. Sure big companies push it for money reasons, but in the end they can only do so because people are so flagrantly abusive of the freedom offered.

Pretty much every regulation comes from similar abuses.

I find the premise fatally flawed and predicated on anecdotes so *shrug*. Can't really think of an excuse for kneejerk legislation that can have long term negative impact on many different markets when there is little to support it. It's also incredibly difficult to implement and enforce considering the differences in international copyright law, not to mention the nature of the internet itself.

Sensible regulation with both corporate and public input is a different story but that's not what they've been attempting to do.

I think many markets are adapting just fine as is and are providing more convenience/value which is the real way to fight consumer piracy.

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185. Re: Bulletstorm Sequel Cancelled; PC Piracy Mentioned Apr 11, 2012, 14:02 Beamer
 
Bhruic wrote on Apr 11, 2012, 12:51:

I'm not the only one people are doing it to. Others are putting their own speculation out there as discussion points. How about challenging it with your own speculation rather than stupidly acting like it's being stated as fact?

There's nothing wrong with speculation. There's something wrong with baseless speculation. When you said "If a game is pirated a million times I think it's safe to say that's 100,000 lost sales.", you had nothing to back that up with. You were just making up figures out of thin air.

If I were to say "I think 98% of pirates donate to animal shelters", I'd really hope that you would think I'm in no position to make claims about what 98% of pirates would do. In the same way, you are in no position to make claims about what 10% of pirates would do.

Speculation is meant to be debated.

Lies, damn lies, and statistics. Which category did your fall into again? There's no point debating made-up numbers, because they are just that - made-up.

Just look at how many people think Mike Capps said "PC piracy canceled Bulletstorm 2" when he never actually said that

Ok, I looked. One person. And even that is a bit of a stretch of what they actually said.

He said low sales canceled Bulletstorm. He also said piracy lowered PC sales.

Really, and connecting the dots is too much for you? If they aren't making a sequel because of low sales, and piracy lowered sales, then at least part of the reason they aren't making a sequel is because of piracy. That doesn't mean it's the only reason, but you'd have to be truly clueless to believe that he's not suggesting it's a significant factor.

Speculation is based upon assumption. I do not think it's a hard assumption to say 10% of pirates would likely buy. I don't think that's a hard press. Would they buy full price? Of course not. But I don't think it's a big stretch to say 1 out of 10 would pick a game up eventually. Maybe you think it's 5%. Maybe you think it's 1%. These don't end up being very meaningful differences in the scale of sequel-or-no-sequel.

And more than one guy said that. And people are acting as if that was his point, going back to "ooooh god, blaming piracy again," as if he said it's the prime cause for woe. Yes, piracy was an issue, but it was not the key issue. He isn't saying it was a significant factor. PC sales were not expected to be enough. It was the console sales that were the significant factor.
 
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184. Re: Bulletstorm Sequel Cancelled; PC Piracy Mentioned Apr 11, 2012, 13:30 StingingVelvet
 
Verno wrote on Apr 11, 2012, 09:11:
StingingVelvet wrote on Apr 11, 2012, 04:08:
Indeed, and the rate of piracy I see in the people around me gives me cause to believe it has a much greater impact than you are comfortable thinking about.

No one really has a problem with that, it's when people start talking about censoring the entire internet because the audience "cant be responsible" that becomes borderline self parody.

I don't really see how it's different from any other cause of regulation. Sure big companies push it for money reasons, but in the end they can only do so because people are so flagrantly abusive of the freedom offered.

Pretty much every regulation comes from similar abuses.
 
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183. Re: Bulletstorm Sequel Cancelled; PC Piracy Mentioned Apr 11, 2012, 13:14 ASeven
 
Prez wrote on Apr 11, 2012, 13:08:
I was very surprised at how enjoyable the game was for me. It wasn't the most memorable game ever, had a ton of console concessions, and it was just as lazily ported as most all other games, and yet I found the game fun. Lots of neat ideas going on.

What really got me in here, though, was a genuine curiosity about what in the world about this news warrants a 200-post thread.

You know, trolls and corporate lapdogs inflating posts with fallacies everywhere, rational people offering logical responses, cycle repeats. That and people are pissed for the piracy card being used again on the same phrase they say the PC port was not that good.
 
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182. Re: Bulletstorm Sequel Cancelled; PC Piracy Mentioned Apr 11, 2012, 13:08 Prez
 
I was very surprised at how enjoyable the game was for me. It wasn't the most memorable game ever, had a ton of console concessions, and it was just as lazily ported as most all other games, and yet I found the game fun. Lots of neat ideas going on.

What really got me in here, though, was a genuine curiosity about what in the world about this news warrants a 200-post thread.
 
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181. Re: Bulletstorm Sequel Cancelled; PC Piracy Mentioned Apr 11, 2012, 13:00 ASeven
 
TotalBiscuit weighs in on this debacle:

http://youtu.be/Es8WkmHTO4A

EDIT: And he pretty much breaks the myth that console piracy is rare. Not on the UK!

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180. Re: Bulletstorm Sequel Cancelled; PC Piracy Mentioned Apr 11, 2012, 12:51 Bhruic
 

I'm not the only one people are doing it to. Others are putting their own speculation out there as discussion points. How about challenging it with your own speculation rather than stupidly acting like it's being stated as fact?

There's nothing wrong with speculation. There's something wrong with baseless speculation. When you said "If a game is pirated a million times I think it's safe to say that's 100,000 lost sales.", you had nothing to back that up with. You were just making up figures out of thin air.

If I were to say "I think 98% of pirates donate to animal shelters", I'd really hope that you would think I'm in no position to make claims about what 98% of pirates would do. In the same way, you are in no position to make claims about what 10% of pirates would do.

Speculation is meant to be debated.

Lies, damn lies, and statistics. Which category did your fall into again? There's no point debating made-up numbers, because they are just that - made-up.

Just look at how many people think Mike Capps said "PC piracy canceled Bulletstorm 2" when he never actually said that

Ok, I looked. One person. And even that is a bit of a stretch of what they actually said.

He said low sales canceled Bulletstorm. He also said piracy lowered PC sales.

Really, and connecting the dots is too much for you? If they aren't making a sequel because of low sales, and piracy lowered sales, then at least part of the reason they aren't making a sequel is because of piracy. That doesn't mean it's the only reason, but you'd have to be truly clueless to believe that he's not suggesting it's a significant factor.
 
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