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Re: Quoteworthy - Pachter on Other People's Opinions |
Apr 9, 2012, 13:23 |
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Wow. He thinks the "Mass Effect 3 Drama" is the the only reason they got voted the worst company???
There are far more (and better) reasons than that... however, I do understand why people have a hard time believing that EA could be voted worse than a Major Bank. |
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Re: Quoteworthy - Pachter on Other People's Opinions |
Apr 9, 2012, 13:21 |
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Beamer wrote on Apr 9, 2012, 13:14:
Kajetan wrote on Apr 9, 2012, 12:27:
Beamer wrote on Apr 9, 2012, 12:14:
The entitlement is thinking they're entitled to the game under any circumstances. Why not? Whats so wrong about that? I have a certain expectation which can be met by offering a certain product matching my expectation. Fine. A sale. Hooray! If not, than no sale. No harm done.
If a company wants my money, they have to offer me something i like. Its easy. DLC crippled games isnt something i want. I'd rather wait for a cheap GotY version. Or i pirate the game. Or not. Maybe i just loose complete interest in it. My descision. And mine alone. And if someone thinks i behave like a spoiled child wanting certain things, than so be it. Especially if this someone is Pachter.
No, the "spoiled child" is "you didn't do everything to my liking, but I demand to play your game, so I'm pirating it."
A normal human being is "you didn't do everything to my liking, so I'm either not buying your game or waiting until the price drops to one I find more reasonable."
And yet you don't mention the problem that we're discussing.
"you didn't do everything to my liking and I bought the damn game." |
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Re: Quoteworthy - Pachter on Other People's Opinions |
Apr 9, 2012, 13:14 |
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Kajetan wrote on Apr 9, 2012, 12:27:
Beamer wrote on Apr 9, 2012, 12:14:
The entitlement is thinking they're entitled to the game under any circumstances. Why not? Whats so wrong about that? I have a certain expectation which can be met by offering a certain product matching my expectation. Fine. A sale. Hooray! If not, than no sale. No harm done.
If a company wants my money, they have to offer me something i like. Its easy. DLC crippled games isnt something i want. I'd rather wait for a cheap GotY version. Or i pirate the game. Or not. Maybe i just loose complete interest in it. My descision. And mine alone. And if someone thinks i behave like a spoiled child wanting certain things, than so be it. Especially if this someone is Pachter.
No, the "spoiled child" is "you didn't do everything to my liking, but I demand to play your game, so I'm pirating it."
A normal human being is "you didn't do everything to my liking, so I'm either not buying your game or waiting until the price drops to one I find more reasonable."
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Re: ya gotta love it eh? |
Apr 9, 2012, 12:53 |
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Shataan wrote on Apr 9, 2012, 12:46:
" The very fact that he condescends to the fans, the paying customers, by referring to them as entitled whiners"
gotta wonder at this kind of mentality... Game Devs and Publishers/Marketing peeps etc, all feel it is A Ok to cash in on fan excitement over say.... an AVP or Aliens game.... for example.
And then when THEY fux over the game by adding something totally moronic like console control schemes or forced 3rd views... altho THEY think it`s cool..... and after the fans get it they start to justifiably critique the game both pos and negs.... and then the fans get labelled "entitled whiners".
You can bet just about EVERY Game Dev etc etc etc type out there feels this way about their Buyer base. Which is ok, cause I think even less of them.
You might even call it entitlement - they feel entitled to the cash in your wallet  |
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Playing: Faster Than Light, Tales of Graces F, Fire Emblem 3DS
Watching: Ghost in the Shell, Hannibal, Oblivion |
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ya gotta love it eh? |
Apr 9, 2012, 12:46 |
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" The very fact that he condescends to the fans, the paying customers, by referring to them as entitled whiners"
gotta wonder at this kind of mentality... Game Devs and Publishers/Marketing peeps etc, all feel it is A Ok to cash in on fan excitement over say.... an AVP or Aliens game.... for example.
And then when THEY fux over the game by adding something totally moronic like console control schemes or forced 3rd views... altho THEY think it`s cool..... and after the fans get it they start to justifiably critique the game both pos and negs.... and then the fans get labelled "entitled whiners".
You can bet just about EVERY Game Dev etc etc etc type out there feels this way about their Buyer base. Which is ok, cause I think even less of them.
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Re: Quoteworthy - Pachter on Other People's Opinions |
Apr 9, 2012, 12:39 |
ASeven |
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Beamer wrote on Apr 9, 2012, 12:14:
ASeven wrote on Apr 9, 2012, 11:33:
Oh and this picture pretty much portrays the retards that keep calling gamers "entitled" for using their own consumer rights. That's how sad the gaming community is, when gamers go against other gamers using corporate propaganda that diminishes their own justified rights.
But that's a bullshit strawman.
People using entitled use it to gamers that say "that game is $50, and there are additional missions available as DLC for $10. Fuck it, I'm pirating it."
The entitlement is thinking they're entitled to the game under any circumstances.
No, what you are saying is the real bullshit strawman here and reeks of corporate apologist phrases. We are the customers, we have the rights to purchase and to complain if said purchase is below expectations, especially if there was a hyper-mega marketing effort behind it that painted the game like something else.
The ultimate strawman is thinking customers have almost no rights or no rights at all when in truth it should be corporations that should be on the tip of their toes and not customers. Customers are entitled because they have all the right to be so, because it was their money that paid for it.
Piracy is bad entitlement as your last phrase seems to put it and I agree to a point. All the rest however, especially when it comes to someone who purchased a product like my damn picture shows, is corporate bullshit and a huge strawman publishers are turning on gamers instead of them being the ones validly at the end of it. |
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Re: Quoteworthy - Pachter on Other People's Opinions |
Apr 9, 2012, 12:27 |
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Beamer wrote on Apr 9, 2012, 12:14:
The entitlement is thinking they're entitled to the game under any circumstances. Why not? Whats so wrong about that? I have a certain expectation which can be met by offering a certain product matching my expectation. Fine. A sale. Hooray! If not, than no sale. No harm done.
If a company wants my money, they have to offer me something i like. Its easy. DLC crippled games isnt something i want. I'd rather wait for a cheap GotY version. Or i pirate the game. Or not. Maybe i just loose complete interest in it. My descision. And mine alone. And if someone thinks i behave like a spoiled child wanting certain things, than so be it. Especially if this someone is Pachter. |
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Re: Quoteworthy - Pachter on Other People's Opinions |
Apr 9, 2012, 12:19 |
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Kajetan wrote on Apr 9, 2012, 11:23:
nin wrote on Apr 9, 2012, 11:17:
The fact that gamers call him out on his mistakes when shareholder don't is a little scary... Shareholders have no interest in the inner workings of this weird gaming market. Thats why they pay people like Pachter to translate into understandable biziness speak, what to expect from a new product or how a publisher will perform in the next six months.
Sure, a lot of shareholders will be burned, but the greed is stronger than everything else. They all look at Zynga and ActiBlizz and their record earnings and high stock price. They know they can make it too!!!
Shareholders know it's all mumbo-jumbo and no one can predict the future, they just want educated opinions. Pachter is kind of thought to be a bit of a clown by many of them because his opinion of his opinions is a bit too high, but he still knows the industry well and is pretty firmly entrenched.
But blaming Pachter for not being 100% accurate is like blaming Obama for Solara and Fisker being risky. If Pachter could 100% predict the future he would not have this job, he'd be a billionaire somewhere.
Plus, it's worth remembering that sites like Blues, Kotaku, etc., cherry pick his dumber comments.
But he's still a douche. |
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Re: Quoteworthy - Pachter on Other People's Opinions |
Apr 9, 2012, 12:14 |
Beamer |
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ASeven wrote on Apr 9, 2012, 11:33:
Oh and this picture pretty much portrays the retards that keep calling gamers "entitled" for using their own consumer rights. That's how sad the gaming community is, when gamers go against other gamers using corporate propaganda that diminishes their own justified rights.
But that's a bullshit strawman.
People using entitled use it to gamers that say "that game is $50, and there are additional missions available as DLC for $10. Fuck it, I'm pirating it."
The entitlement is thinking they're entitled to the game under any circumstances. |
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Re: Quoteworthy - Pachter on Other People's Opinions |
Apr 9, 2012, 12:13 |
Beamer |
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Verno wrote on Apr 9, 2012, 10:47:
Funny, it didn't seem to do Dragon Age 2 any favors but thanks for playing Mike.
In truth, this is where I differentiate between wining and validly complaining.
Wining is things like "oh man, that developer once looked at me funny" or "it's wrong that they want to make money" or "the graphics weren't tweaked enough on level 4" or "this game sucks because it isn't 100% identical to the last game."
Valid complaints are "every dungeon is uses the same map, like, not an exaggeration it's literally the same map" or "they completely destroyed a functional game mechanic and replaced it with something half-assed because they felt it was too complicated" or "I spent $15 on this and am getting my ass kicked by guys that spent $50 in DLC yet this game was advertised as being totally fun and playable for that initial payment" or "the physics model is so broken that you drive through, instead of over, bridges."
Usually, but not always, you can tell based upon whether people are irate or constructive, but given that it's the internet and everyone tends to be have anger set at 8 from the get-go... |
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Re: Quoteworthy - Pachter on Other People's Opinions |
Apr 9, 2012, 11:33 |
ASeven |
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| Oh and this picture pretty much portrays the retards that keep calling gamers "entitled" for using their own consumer rights. That's how sad the gaming community is, when gamers go against other gamers using corporate propaganda that diminishes their own justified rights. |
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Re: Quoteworthy - Pachter on Other People's Opinions |
Apr 9, 2012, 11:31 |
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nin wrote on Apr 9, 2012, 11:17:
His comments aren't meant for gamers. They're meant for shareholders.
The fact that gamers call him out on his mistakes when shareholder don't is a little scary...
Well he "predicts", so his mistakes can't really be held against him. Guess investors could or could not listen to him. His average of right vs wrong predictions is probably still okay if he is still in business.
Not that it is extremely hard to predict sales outcome these days. Want to guess the review scores and sales numbers on Max Payne 3 or Grand Theft Auto 5 ? How about Ass Creed3 or Black Ops2?
It may have been tougher back in the day when we've had more original new IPs and less sequels. |
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Re: Quoteworthy - Pachter on Other People's Opinions |
Apr 9, 2012, 11:29 |
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Quoteworthy?. Pachter?. Really, Blue?. Really?.
If there's ANYONE in this industry that should never ever be quoted because he's a complete idiot, that's Pachter.
And nobody whines more than him when someone dares to put in front of him any of his incorrect divinations. Just watch the guy squirm. |
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Re: Quoteworthy - Pachter on Other People's Opinions |
Apr 9, 2012, 11:29 |
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Ah yes, the same Pachter that was surprised by the latest NPD numbers that were well below analyst expectations. The same Pachter that recommended buy on EA stocks not long ago. The same Pachter that loves manipulating the gaming market with his fake data.
Pachter is the living example of how heartless an analyst can become when he considers whiners gamers that actually bought the product so they have more than legitimate reason to complain about anything.
This is why everyone hates people with my profession and I can't say I blame them when we have cunts like these who preach corporate propaganda all the time and disregard consumers and their rights. |
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Re: Quoteworthy - Pachter on Other People's Opinions |
Apr 9, 2012, 11:23 |
Kajetan |
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nin wrote on Apr 9, 2012, 11:17:
The fact that gamers call him out on his mistakes when shareholder don't is a little scary... Shareholders have no interest in the inner workings of this weird gaming market. Thats why they pay people like Pachter to translate into understandable biziness speak, what to expect from a new product or how a publisher will perform in the next six months.
Sure, a lot of shareholders will be burned, but the greed is stronger than everything else. They all look at Zynga and ActiBlizz and their record earnings and high stock price. They know they can make it too!!! |
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Re: Quoteworthy - Pachter on Other People's Opinions |
Apr 9, 2012, 11:22 |
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SpectralMeat wrote on Apr 9, 2012, 11:09:
Jivaro wrote on Apr 9, 2012, 11:04:
so his opinion....regardless of the baseless crap he has spewed in the past...means very little to the industry or to the customers. Yet it still makes news, and we still talk about him and his opinion.
I should have said "his opinion on this matter". I don't hold his opinion in very high regard in the first place, but his job is what it is, and the fact is that he has been "right" often enough to keep doing his job.
When people first started to react to the ending(s) of ME3, one of the things I noticed was that the media and other developers were quick to write up editorials defending the endings. Many reviews written before the average customer had the game in fact never even mention anything being wrong with them. The reason? Because everyone...the media, the analysts, the developers, and the publishers...all of them benefit if the customers stay predictable little sheep. The mainstream, so far, has been more then willing to oblige, until now. It will be very interesting to see how this changes the industry, if at all. |
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Re: Quoteworthy - Pachter on Other People's Opinions |
Apr 9, 2012, 11:17 |
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His comments aren't meant for gamers. They're meant for shareholders.
The fact that gamers call him out on his mistakes when shareholder don't is a little scary...
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RollinThundr Apr 17, 2013, 12:25: Eh really tossing stuff like that in there only to get your panties all bunched up. If you really want to call that trolling sure.
Mr. Tact Apr 17, 2013, 12:33: Pretty sure that's the definition of trolling... |
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Re: Quoteworthy - Pachter on Other People's Opinions |
Apr 9, 2012, 11:15 |
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is bioware a business, or isn't it? since when is giving your customer what they want bad business?
they clearly had a business-mentality when they required every other plot element in the game be vetted by the writing team as a whole. why now this baseless auteur attitude, especially with such a colossal fuckup?
at least we can always count on gaming "journalism" to side with the publishers. |
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Re: Quoteworthy - Pachter on Other People's Opinions |
Apr 9, 2012, 11:15 |
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| Well, if the 'whining' helps sales, and appeasing them causes more whining, then it's a win-win situation, right? He acts like Bioware was the first to change something after fan outcry. Remember Bethesda changing the nonsensical, unavoidable death of the player at the end of Fallout 3? Didn't seem to do them any harm in the long run, and I'm sure there are more examples... |
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Re: Quoteworthy - Pachter on Other People's Opinions |
Apr 9, 2012, 11:09 |
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Jivaro wrote on Apr 9, 2012, 11:04:
so his opinion....regardless of the baseless crap he has spewed in the past...means very little to the industry or to the customers. Yet it still makes news, and we still talk about him and his opinion. |
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