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DICE: Console Certification Holds Up PC Patches

Speaking with PC Gamer, DICE executive producer Patrick Bach expresses frustration that the console certification process is holding up the release of patches for the PC edition of Battlefield 3. He goes on to explain the problems that can be caused when they need to fix problems introduce by patches, but he doesn't seem to actually explain what is preventing them from releasing PC patches whenever they want, though he does say this can be considered a benefit "because you get proper testing."

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41. Re: DICE: Console Certification Holds Up PC Patches Mar 28, 2012, 11:25 ASeven
 
Beamer wrote on Mar 28, 2012, 11:08:
ASeven wrote on Mar 28, 2012, 10:00:
Quboid wrote on Mar 28, 2012, 09:54:
You have some nerve talking about strawman arguments. You implied that me saying publishers like money means that we should "reward devs and publishers who rip gamers off". Bullshit. Whereas, I said that project management is good, and considering it has led to "a booming industry that has shown ridiculous growth", your argument that it "drives gamers away" is more bullshit.

I'm all for Kickstarter and other indie development schemes but I am also all for sticking to reality.

Again, the industry is in a major decline since 2004. Again, reality shows indies are quickly becoming as major players in the industry as publishers. Again, making money is not the only factor since if you treat people like trash those people will flock to better alternatives, regardless of how well publishers make games or not.

You seem to forget the human factor in your market equation. It's that human factor that's fucking the industry completely because gamers will always find a better alternative when they feel being treated like shit. Basic economics in fact that applies to all kind of markets and industries. Treat people like shit, people will treat you with no sales.

How can you possibly say since 2004?

Sales went up significantly after that. It's a cycle. And yes, publishers are doing things poorly, but your expectations are so warped.

ASeven, I do not know what you do. I do not know what skills you have. But please, for the love of god, get a job in the industry for a while, or just take some vacation time and go to GDC and talk to some people next year.
Nothing is every as simple or as obvious as you make it.

Financial analyst, worked with the industry before so yes, I do know what I'm talking about regarding this.

And yes, 2004. Don't believe me? Perhaps you'll believe Gamasutra then?

As reported by the USA Today, Pachter said that January software sales have averaged $518 million between 2004 and 2011; with this year's January software sales reaching only $355.9 million, something doesn't add up.

"It also makes no sense that sales are below the level from 2004, when games were cheaper and the installed base of consoles was much lower. ... I don't know if the NPD is getting faulty data, but these numbers make no sense," he said.


You know it is bad when eternal industry shill Pachter starts to get really worried.

Still don't believe me? Have one more.

Look at the pretty graph!

I know what I talk about when it comes to finances and markets because that's my profession and area of expertise. You think I say there'll be a crash just because and without any solid data to back it up? You are very very wrong if you think like that.

Oh and that cycle bullshit is something the spinsters throw at this decline. A 30% decline is NOT a cycle, it's a sign of something far more serious. And yes, it's a 30% decline for the past months, more in fact. That is not a cycle no matter how you try to spin it.
 
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