Verno wrote on Mar 22, 2012, 08:46:

Commissioned or otherwise. If they want to 'change' it, so be it. Shit, George Lucas can't STOP changing things about his movies.
Personally, I think any changes they end up make will be minor, maybe some epilogue cards ala BGTOB, or DAO. Of course, that's just a guess.

All they had to do was not introduce bizarre characters in the last 5 minutes along with a text wrap up for your companions a la Dragon Age. That wouldn't have been what they said it was going to be pre-release but at least it would been satisfying enough for most people.

I'm still frustrated that they are basically going to sell the complete ending to the game and get away with it because of how invested people are in the series. But I can't force people to be more sensible with their money in this case anymore than I can stop from buying idiotic $25 WoW mounts and other nonsense. Gamers

nin wrote on Mar 22, 2012, 13:46:
Good lord, Creston...

However, most folks appear to agree that the game as a whole is exceptional, with more than 75 critics giving it a perfect review score and a review average in the mid-90s.

Jerykk, I found it pretty easy to figure out the ends to the genophage, Geth/Quarian, and species relations stories in my playthrough. Those choices did make it through from the first through the third game for me, and I don't need the game spelling out every event to their last letter. Maybe future DLC will handle that, but if it doesn't, is it really that difficult for it to be left a little bit open?

For content creators and the journalists that cover them to say fans are “whining” or “entitled” is missing the point. Keeping the fans happy is what keeps them coming back to the brand. If being great once upon a time sold tickets, M. Night Shyamalan’s box office receipts might rival James Cameron‘s. But once that trust fades, it doesn’t take long to go from eager anticipation to dread, wondering how badly they’ll screw something up next.

Bhruic wrote on Mar 22, 2012, 02:27:

Because I can assure you they did, and they made it through without throwing weeks-long temper tantrums on the internet and organizing to demand changes.

Nice exaggeration. By all means, point out the people around here having a temper tantrum.

Sepharo wrote on Mar 22, 2012, 01:46:

Draugr wrote on Mar 22, 2012, 01:44:

Bhruic wrote on Mar 22, 2012, 00:39:

I wonder, if you kill the queen in 1, do rachni reapers cease to be in game? Or is it just explained as 'oh, there was another rachni queen hiding somewhere'? It all feels so trite, pointless and inconsequential...

They "cloned" the queen. So if you killed the queen, you do the exact same thing, go down and fight through to see her. The only difference is if you accept her offer to help, at a point down the line, she backstabs you, pulls her workers out, and does some damage on the way.

Only real effect is a negative to your rating. Which almost certainly won't matter.

It did not go down like that for me in my game, I didn't kill the queen in ME1 though, so that's the obvious difference there.

It's still lame, though.

Uh it did for everyone... Unless the wiki is wrong. Care to explain what happened in yours?

Asmo wrote on Mar 21, 2012, 23:48:
And that's the problem...

You make this big gamble decision, the last queen that could be the progenitor of a race that threatened to wipe out all other life, and you can kill her or let her live... Again...

And the sum total of that is 25 points (can't recall the number honestly) of rachni workers helping out on the crucible.

I wonder, if you kill the queen in 1, do rachni reapers cease to be in game? Or is it just explained as 'oh, there was another rachni queen hiding somewhere'? It all feels so trite, pointless and inconsequential...

Dades wrote on Mar 21, 2012, 22:34:
They made a lot of promises about the ending that turned out to be flat out lies. This is the second time we've seen this recently from Bioware, I am putting them into the penalty bin for a few years and hope that others do the same. No more money until their grandiose claims can be verified.

Ruffiana wrote on Mar 21, 2012, 18:10:
I actually really liked the synthesis ending. It's a nice coda to how I was able to resolve the Geth/Quarian war by having all organic live evolve along a similiar line as the Geth and effectively ending the conflict with the Reapers by removing their justiciation for the cycle of galactic destruction. All I would change about this ending is adding some sort of explanation as to why the Normandy has left Earth and ends up marooned on some primitive alien world to (presumably) restart a new civilization with Joker & EDI as the Adam & Eve of this new race of beings. I don't even mind the ME Relays being destroyed in this ending because with the evolution of organic life into a synthetic hybrid, that undoubtedly comes with a much longer--if not indefinite--lifespan. No worries about incompatible food from races being stranded on Earth (they can adapt to anything) or having to get home with mere FTL travel (they've got all the time in the universe).

But the other two almost literally hue-shifted endings aren't really unique and don't provide an interesting contrast to that one ending. I would like to see the expected Reapers destroyed, galaxy triumphs, Shepard retires to live out remaining days with love-interest and presumably dies an early death from alchohol poisoning stock ending. Yes, it's a trope but it's the ending some people want. I'd also like to see the much darker, Shepard gives the giant middle finger to the other races in the galaxy, opts to carry on with TIM idea to control the Reapers, and simultaneously ends that threat as well as catapults humanity to the position of all-powerful galactic rulers.

Much of the choices made and war assets collected should be highlighted in some additional elements or scene during the final battles leading up to the end. I saw Quarian ships in the final battle fleet as well as the Destiny Assencion...things that I assume wouldn't have been there if things had played out differently. But there are some really interesting war assets aquired during ME3 that most people would at least like to see a passing nod to.

Outside of that, I would gladly pay $10 for any DLC that makes it very clear that Kaiden dies in some sort of horrible, painful manner.

Akando wrote on Mar 21, 2012, 18:08:
Hi guys, fairly new poster here, been reading for years. I just have to say, I loved ME 2. It got me hooked to the series. Didn't like ME 1 at all...at first...gave it another shot and really liked that one too. Have played both many times. I liked ME 3 overall (wished to have seen more of Kasumi Koto "now you see me...") . Like most, disappointed with the ending. I do appreciate the hard work the developers put into the game, and I hope that something good will come out of all of this.

And now video game developers will be more likely to avoid potentially controversial or unique/original endings because of internet temper tantrums

finga wrote on Mar 22, 2012, 05:05:
And now video game developers will be more likely to avoid potentially controversial or unique/original endings because of internet temper tantrums. Worst part is that we have so many boring/conventional endings in games already.

Jerykk, I found it pretty easy to figure out the ends to the genophage, Geth/Quarian, and species relations stories in my playthrough. Those choices did make it through from the first through the third game for me, and I don't need the game spelling out every event to their last letter. Maybe future DLC will handle that, but if it doesn't, is it really that difficult for it to be left a little bit open?

And to the others - they're not ad hominem attacks. They're challenges to people to accept that sometimes you don't get exactly what you want, and while you're obviously free to not buy BioWare's next game - the threat of such is actually a very reasonable response to not liking this ending - organizing to demand that they go back and "fix" this one's plot is just silly. It's unprecedented from the perspective of art, since we didn't "commission" this work from them, and this is not the medium in which we start making demands of how artists make their art.

Funny thing is BioWare should have ignored these complaints and just put out the DLC for the millions of well-adjusted gamers that aren't on 4chan, reddit, SA, Twitter, FB, and more all trying to make these demands. As soon as Sony screws up again or one of the two upcoming next-gen consoles is announced - or maybe Derek Smart or Randy Pitchford say something goofy - people will move on anyway. Just please, move on before BioWare really gets scared about putting anything interesting into ME3's DLC endings...

Commissioned or otherwise. If they want to 'change' it, so be it. Shit, George Lucas can't STOP changing things about his movies.
Personally, I think any changes they end up make will be minor, maybe some epilogue cards ala BGTOB, or DAO. Of course, that's just a guess.

organizing to demand that they go back and "fix" this one's plot is just silly. It's unprecedented from the perspective of art, since we didn't "commission" this work from them, and this is not the medium in which we start making demands of how artists make their art.

finga wrote on Mar 22, 2012, 05:05:
Funny thing is BioWare should have ignored these complaints and just put out the DLC for the millions of well-adjusted gamers that aren't on 4chan, reddit, SA, Twitter, FB, and more all trying to make these demands.