vrok wrote on Mar 11, 2012, 20:50:
You're using singleplayer story as the indicator of whether an FPS is mediocre, good or spectacular? Or did you just forget that the S in FPS actually stands for shooter?

Bhruic wrote on Mar 11, 2012, 15:27:

a big part of what made ID great was missing...

You know, I was thinking about this a bit, and what it comes down to is that I don't think id was ever great. It was a lack of comparison. There was nothing spectacular about Doom beyond the novelty of it. There was nothing spectacular about Quake beyond the technical innovation.

An easy example is Half Life (I know id didn't make it, but irrelevant to the example). What made Half Life stand out was its comparisons - FPS at the time didn't have storylines - or, not compelling ones like HL. It stood out from the games of its time based on its uniqueness. But imagine if the original HL wasn't made, some other game did the "storyline FPS", and HL was released today - modern graphics, but otherwise the same story. It might be considered "good", but that'd be the extent of it.

The same is true of what id did. They pioneered a genre, and the lack of competition made their products really stand out. But it was that lack of competition that made them appear great - not their actual products. Now that there is plenty of competition, id no longer has anything to make it shine over the rest. But that just points out the fact that it wasn't game excellence that they were recognized for - it was that no one else was doing what they did.

And that's why Rage was a disappointment, like Doom 3 was a disappointment, like Doom 4 will likely be a disappointment. They relied on the pioneering edge to make their games stand out, and now that they've lost that, they have nothing to fall back on. And I can't see Romero changing that, even if they were to get back together.

Fantaz wrote on Mar 11, 2012, 17:04:
A lot of ppl would disagree with you, and even think the opposite of your example given with Valve. In my eyes ID was the true great innovator, pioneer and the greatest game company of the 90's, and Valve was simply copying ID. For Valve, mods like Counter-Strike greatly contributed to the success of Half-Life and I think if ID would have opened up more to the modding community like Epic Games and Valve then they could have had a mod hit which would excel their games also.

id software needs to just bite the bullet and get the band back together.

[VG]Reagle wrote on Mar 11, 2012, 19:43:
Perhaps he has plans to make you his bitch!

You know, I was thinking about this a bit, and what it comes down to is that I don't think id was ever great. It was a lack of comparison. There was nothing spectacular about Doom beyond the novelty of it. There was nothing spectacular about Quake beyond the technical innovation.

a big part of what made ID great was missing...

Dev wrote on Mar 11, 2012, 15:10:
I think regardless of what he calls his FPS, its going to be compared to Daikatana.

AnointedSword wrote on Mar 11, 2012, 14:30:
I will keep an eye out for his work. We can call him names and condemn him to hell but when he left ID...a big part of what made ID great was missing...