Beamer wrote on Mar 6, 2012, 16:21:

Razumen wrote on Mar 6, 2012, 16:15:

Beamer wrote on Mar 6, 2012, 15:48:

Razumen wrote on Mar 6, 2012, 14:54:

Beamer wrote on Mar 6, 2012, 14:38:
Real question: who wants PC vs console gaming?

Anyone?

I'd think it'd would be cool, it would strengthen the community and the amount of playable servers. Unfortunately, MS and Sony basically kill the idea dead on arrival due to their lengthy and price certification process needed for updates.

Well, Xbox Live servers tend to do pretty well for most games, and Microsoft's decision not to allow a m+k is a smart one. Imagine how terrible games would be if you had a small fraction of players using the M+K.
Part of what people enjoy about consoles is that, by and large, everyone has the same equipment and the same setups. Most of the tweaking is taken out of the equation.

I imagine the games would be the same, different controllers don't impact on the quality of the game. sure, some gamers might become more skilled than others, but ranking and server settings could help that.

Anyways, developers should be allowed to support the kind of input devices they want to.

Wider skill ranges do impact the quality of the game. Ranking and servers only do so much as well. Do people really want exclusively ranked servers? Isn't that like playing Oblivion, where everything levels up with you? Or do you occasionally want to dominate and occasionally want to be pushed to your limits?

Regardless, imagine you have a system and it's set up as best you can and you feel you're very good at it. Then someone comes in with a different system, one that may not be feasible for you, and kicks your ass exclusively because he has that setup.
Would that be fun?

Not at all.

Fibrocyte wrote on Mar 6, 2012, 14:42:
So I'm just wondering if you have any good reasons for your theory, or if you're just console bashing to fit in with the Blues community?

Razumen wrote on Mar 6, 2012, 16:15:

Beamer wrote on Mar 6, 2012, 15:48:

Razumen wrote on Mar 6, 2012, 14:54:

Beamer wrote on Mar 6, 2012, 14:38:
Real question: who wants PC vs console gaming?

Anyone?

I'd think it'd would be cool, it would strengthen the community and the amount of playable servers. Unfortunately, MS and Sony basically kill the idea dead on arrival due to their lengthy and price certification process needed for updates.

Well, Xbox Live servers tend to do pretty well for most games, and Microsoft's decision not to allow a m+k is a smart one. Imagine how terrible games would be if you had a small fraction of players using the M+K.
Part of what people enjoy about consoles is that, by and large, everyone has the same equipment and the same setups. Most of the tweaking is taken out of the equation.

I imagine the games would be the same, different controllers don't impact on the quality of the game. sure, some gamers might become more skilled than others, but ranking and server settings could help that.

Anyways, developers should be allowed to support the kind of input devices they want to.

Beamer wrote on Mar 6, 2012, 15:48:

Razumen wrote on Mar 6, 2012, 14:54:

Beamer wrote on Mar 6, 2012, 14:38:
Real question: who wants PC vs console gaming?

Anyone?

I'd think it'd would be cool, it would strengthen the community and the amount of playable servers. Unfortunately, MS and Sony basically kill the idea dead on arrival due to their lengthy and price certification process needed for updates.

Well, Xbox Live servers tend to do pretty well for most games, and Microsoft's decision not to allow a m+k is a smart one. Imagine how terrible games would be if you had a small fraction of players using the M+K.
Part of what people enjoy about consoles is that, by and large, everyone has the same equipment and the same setups. Most of the tweaking is taken out of the equation.

Razumen wrote on Mar 6, 2012, 14:54:

Beamer wrote on Mar 6, 2012, 14:38:
Real question: who wants PC vs console gaming?

Anyone?

I'd think it'd would be cool, it would strengthen the community and the amount of playable servers. Unfortunately, MS and Sony basically kill the idea dead on arrival due to their lengthy and price certification process needed for updates.

Teddy wrote on Mar 6, 2012, 15:15:

Beamer wrote on Mar 6, 2012, 14:38:
Real question: who wants PC vs console gaming?

Anyone?

I do.

I know it's shocking, but people have these things called friends and sometimes these friends prefer to play games on other platforms.

Beamer wrote on Mar 6, 2012, 14:38:
Real question: who wants PC vs console gaming?

Anyone?

Cutter wrote on Mar 6, 2012, 13:13:
It's entirely a controller issue. MS and Sony have tried this too and to their great surprise *gasp* the console people always get utterly destroyed by PC players. So that's really not a whole lot of fun for them. So there's really no point in cross-platform play.

Beamer wrote on Mar 6, 2012, 14:38:
Real question: who wants PC vs console gaming?

Anyone?

Cutter wrote on Mar 6, 2012, 14:09:

Fibrocyte wrote on Mar 6, 2012, 13:23:

Cutter wrote on Mar 6, 2012, 13:13:
It's entirely a controller issue. MS and Sony have tried this too and to their great surprise *gasp* the console people always get utterly destroyed by PC players. So that's really not a whole lot of fun for them. So there's really no point in cross-platform play.

So why don't they come out and say it, then? What do they have to lose by telling the truth?

EDIT: If it were as simple as "PC players destroy all non-PC players" then they could simply add multiple server types: pure-console, pure-PC, mixed.

They have a lot to lose because they're admitting it's an inferior platform all around. For gameplay, for graphics, etc. Not to mention you have to pay to multiplay on the Xbox. You are seriously on a considerable amount of drugs if you think console players with controllers can compete with PC players.

Cutter wrote on Mar 6, 2012, 14:09:

Fibrocyte wrote on Mar 6, 2012, 13:23:

Cutter wrote on Mar 6, 2012, 13:13:
It's entirely a controller issue. MS and Sony have tried this too and to their great surprise *gasp* the console people always get utterly destroyed by PC players. So that's really not a whole lot of fun for them. So there's really no point in cross-platform play.

So why don't they come out and say it, then? What do they have to lose by telling the truth?

EDIT: If it were as simple as "PC players destroy all non-PC players" then they could simply add multiple server types: pure-console, pure-PC, mixed.

They have a lot to lose because they're admitting it's an inferior platform all around. For gameplay, for graphics, etc. Not to mention you have to pay to multiplay on the Xbox. You are seriously on a considerable amount of drugs if you think console players with controllers can compete with PC players.

Fibrocyte wrote on Mar 6, 2012, 13:23:

Cutter wrote on Mar 6, 2012, 13:13:
It's entirely a controller issue. MS and Sony have tried this too and to their great surprise *gasp* the console people always get utterly destroyed by PC players. So that's really not a whole lot of fun for them. So there's really no point in cross-platform play.

So why don't they come out and say it, then? What do they have to lose by telling the truth?

EDIT: If it were as simple as "PC players destroy all non-PC players" then they could simply add multiple server types: pure-console, pure-PC, mixed.

Esoteric wrote on Mar 6, 2012, 10:31:
I really don't think it's a m/kb vs. controller issue at all, as they've addressed that in past interviews. Bascially it's a non-issue since people would be ranked on their ability, regardless of what system they're on. So really good console players would be going against mediocre PC players.

The patch reason makes much more sense, just look at TF2. If they wanted to update CS:GO as much as TF2, it would be a logistical nightmare to do it on consoles and their patching process/verification system. And since a lot of it would be balance-oriented, it would hamstring the PC side while waiting for the console patches to go through "customs" all the time.

Fibrocyte wrote on Mar 6, 2012, 13:23:

Cutter wrote on Mar 6, 2012, 13:13:
It's entirely a controller issue. MS and Sony have tried this too and to their great surprise *gasp* the console people always get utterly destroyed by PC players. So that's really not a whole lot of fun for them. So there's really no point in cross-platform play.

So why don't they come out and say it, then? What do they have to lose by telling the truth?

EDIT: If it were as simple as "PC players destroy all non-PC players" then they could simply add multiple server types: pure-console, pure-PC, mixed.

Cutter wrote on Mar 6, 2012, 13:13:
It's entirely a controller issue. MS and Sony have tried this too and to their great surprise *gasp* the console people always get utterly destroyed by PC players. So that's really not a whole lot of fun for them. So there's really no point in cross-platform play.