Krovven wrote on Feb 27, 2012, 19:28:

shinchan0s wrote on Feb 27, 2012, 19:08:
And no, PvP doesn't count.

Because you said so?

Not to mention that your first couple of characters were pretty much guaranteed to be gimpy, since there was no way of knowing that the fireball spell which worked great at early levels, would become completely useless 10-15 levels later, even after you'd permanently wasted 15 more skillpoints on it.

FloorPie wrote on Feb 28, 2012, 03:45:
Many have no problem playing or co-existing with folks who run sub-optimal builds. The problem becomes when "sucking" means the goal is not accomplished. Many hardcore types get rather jaded and tire of having to carry those who don't at least try to be a good player. As long as those casual folks who don't care much about calculators etc. don't complain that they might not get into a dungeon run, do what makes you happy. "Hey man, I solo quested as a warrior with mana gear and did great!" is cute but won't get you anywhere but dead in the end game dungeons/raids.

Hammer wrote on Feb 27, 2012, 20:43:
With Diablo 3 - once you beat Nightmare - you then end up with Inferno. That'll have a flat difficulty level (and rare drop rate) ACROSS the whole game! IE: If you want to farm whatever, you could farm any boss in Act 1, and you'll have the same chance to find that rare (and the same level of difficulty) as if you were farming a boss in Act 4!

Prez wrote on Feb 27, 2012, 13:33:

Maybe it's because sucking ( and not really caring as long as you're having fun) makes you incompatible with other multiplayer gamers, but there's a reason why many gamers forego multiplayer gaming almost completely. Talk of "calculators" and "optimum builds" makes us want to run away.

Hammer wrote on Feb 27, 2012, 20:43:
What would be the point? The point would be...YOU enjoying the game the way YOU want it.

You just said: "the most fun I had with Diablo 2 was, like PHJF, building up new characters from scratch... "

You will still be able to do that!!

What? Are you saying, that because you're not OBLIGATED to do so, that you won't enjoy it as much??!?

Hammer wrote on Feb 27, 2012, 20:43:
What? Are you saying, that because you're not OBLIGATED to do so, that you won't enjoy it as much??!?

Hey...I find a different weapon...I might go down a difficulty level and try out a different playstyle - but I don't be FORCED to start from scratch to do so!

PHJF wrote on Feb 27, 2012, 17:31:
Yeah, and why should we even have "classes" anyways? You like having to level up separate classes, be my guest... just don't force me to do it.

In fact, why do have levels? I want my character to have every skill at the start of the game

And loot. I don't want to go through all that tedious killing monsters for it. Just give me a full Tal's set, a HoZ, a few HOTOs, a couple Nigmas...

shinchan0s wrote on Feb 27, 2012, 19:08:

Hammer wrote on Feb 27, 2012, 16:18:

You do realize that, if you want, you can have a separate chars for all the different "builds" you want to play.

You like having to level up again simply to try another type of playstyle for the same class...go ahead, be my guest...just don't force me to do it.

Then what would be the point? Let's be real. Nobody's going to waste their time making a new same class character from scratch in Diablo 3.

Anyway, the most fun I had with Diablo 2 was, like PHJF, building up new characters from scratch ESPECIALLY when I got new low to mid-end uniques and sets to try out. Diablo 2 wasn't all about the end game - at least for me. For me, level 90 was game over. It was time for a new build. Rune hunting wasn't all that appealing...

In Diablo 3, people are going to be spending 90% of their time in Hell/Hell (or Inferno whatever they call it now) and you'll probably end up seeing crazy item inflation like you do in WoW especially with the new Auction House.

I mean, if that's the case then I hope Blizzard has big plans for end game content besides fem-Diablo runs.

And no, PvP doesn't count.

I find this funny, because I'm pretty sure he was responding to Hammer's comment : )

shinchan0s wrote on Feb 27, 2012, 19:08:
And no, PvP doesn't count.

Hammer wrote on Feb 27, 2012, 16:18:

You do realize that, if you want, you can have a separate chars for all the different "builds" you want to play.

You like having to level up again simply to try another type of playstyle for the same class...go ahead, be my guest...just don't force me to do it.

Alamar wrote on Feb 27, 2012, 18:21:

Prez wrote on Feb 27, 2012, 18:13:
Communication involves listening and understanding as well as speaking.

I find this funny, because I'm pretty sure he was responding to Hammer's comment : )

Krovven wrote on Feb 27, 2012, 13:42:

Optional nickname wrote on Feb 27, 2012, 12:50:
meanwhile we know nothing about it

Edit: I should have looked at your previous posts before wasting my time with a response. Optional is a troll, just like Wildone. So very very sad that some people have no lives.

Prez wrote on Feb 27, 2012, 18:13:
Communication involves listening and understanding as well as speaking.

PHJF wrote on Feb 27, 2012, 17:31:
Yeah, and why should we even have "classes" anyways? You like having to level up separate classes, be my guest... just don't force me to do it.

In fact, why do have levels? I want my character to have every skill at the start of the game.

And loot. I don't want to go through all that tedious killing monsters for it. Just give me a full Tal's set, a HoZ, a few HOTOs, a couple Nigmas...

PHJF wrote on Feb 27, 2012, 17:31:
And loot. I don't want to go through all that tedious killing monsters for it. Just give me a full Tal's set, a HoZ, a few HOTOs, a couple Nigmas...

PHJF wrote on Feb 27, 2012, 17:31:
Yeah, and why should we even have "classes" anyways? You like having to level up separate classes, be my guest... just don't force me to do it.

In fact, why do have levels? I want my character to have every skill at the start of the game.

And loot. I don't want to go through all that tedious killing monsters for it. Just give me a full Tal's set, a HoZ, a few HOTOs, a couple Nigmas...

PHJF wrote on Feb 27, 2012, 14:03:
So the solution to you screwing up your build is to remove builds and just let people tinker? Part of the reason I played so much D2 was because I had tons of builds for tons of characters. I had a trapsin, a clawsin, a hammerdin, a zealot, a fball sorc, a blizz sorc, a wolf druid, a summoner druid, a poison necro, a summoner necro, an elemental druid, a javazon, a bowazon, a spearazon... etc...

And I built them all, I had specific gear for them all, and they all had specific play styles crafted through use and time. I didn't just TP and swap out my runes or whatever the hell D3 is proffering.

Verno wrote on Feb 27, 2012, 14:34:
Any word on the Torchlight 2 launch date? I know it got pushed back but can't recall if they said anything else. I think I'm more excited about TL2 than this game right now despite having fun with the beta.