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Re: Warren Spector Lifetime Achievement Award |
Feb 6, 2012, 11:10 |
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| I am completely wrong about the sid meier post -- regrets. |
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Re: Warren Spector Lifetime Achievement Award |
Feb 5, 2012, 09:52 |
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| While I think the award is well deserved... It should be noted that Spector ain't done shit for over a decade. |
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Re: Warren Spector Lifetime Achievement Award |
Feb 4, 2012, 13:03 |
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avianflu wrote on Feb 3, 2012, 15:52:
arent these lifetime achievement awards often the kiss of death professionally?
Look at poor Sid Meier: The last simcity, 2 versions of spore and lots of generic sim city sequels.
Will Wright? |
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Re: Warren Spector Lifetime Achievement Award |
Feb 4, 2012, 09:41 |
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Acleacius wrote on Feb 3, 2012, 23:52:
Another example on The Stygian Abyss he was the one of four manual editors.
Uh.. no.
At least not from the interviews I've read in the past.
His team was a group within Origin that broke off into Blue Sky Productions (but still was published by or part of Origin), which became Looking Glass Studios when Ultima Underworld II came out. He was the head of the studio AFAIK, and one of the major designers.
They were experimenting with their 1st person engine (before Doom), and decided to make an RPG. Garriot didn't want anything to do with it, but let them use the Ultima name. I'd post links that are relevant, but I don't even know where to begin searching for those old interviews.
Am I claiming he created Ultima Underworld all by himself? Of course not! But he had a heck of a lot more to do with it than being just a "manual editor". |
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Re: Warren Spector Lifetime Achievement Award |
Feb 4, 2012, 00:22 |
Acleacius |
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He must intentionally let people think (or lead them to believe?) he had a lot to do with System Shock. He was an outside producer, which is pretty far removed from game design. Iirc, even if you want to check inside the game, he's near "Salt the Fries".
Thief The Dark Project, Wtf? special thanks, no involvement with design listed. NONE, nadda, not even, doesn't include, not there.
Here's hoping one day the proper developers get credit for the games warren is wrongfully credited for by players.
Hey, wouldn't it be funny if Game Developers' Award gives him credit for games he DIDN'T design. |
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| Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history.....and they are stupid. Dwight D. Eisenhower |
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Re: Warren Spector Lifetime Achievement Award |
Feb 3, 2012, 23:52 |
Acleacius |
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Cutter wrote on Feb 3, 2012, 17:35:
I think Warren deserves just a bit more credit than Deus Ex....
Just a bit...
Edit: And yeah, that doesn't even include his PnP stuff. So yeah, bow down and kiss his arse!
Your including games he gets special thanks for, the same thing family, wives, girlfriends, dogs and cats get? Dark Messiah is one such example and on System Shock he was Outside Producer only (check the credits before flaming). 
Edit: I'm guessing this came from his own page or something becasue it seems to be a lot of fluff. Another example on The Stygian Abyss he was the one of four manual editors.
This comment was edited on Feb 4, 2012, 00:20. |
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| Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history.....and they are stupid. Dwight D. Eisenhower |
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Re: Warren Spector Lifetime Achievement Award |
Feb 3, 2012, 21:02 |
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Prez wrote on Feb 3, 2012, 20:37:
* I think Warren deserves just a bit more credit than Deus Ex....
Absolutley. Which is why I wish he'd go back to making games of the vein he's known for. The industry is losing its luminaries to mediocrity.
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Re: Warren Spector Lifetime Achievement Award |
Feb 3, 2012, 20:37 |
Prez |
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* I think Warren deserves just a bit more credit than Deus Ex....
Absolutley. Which is why I wish he'd go back to making games of the vein he's known for. The industry is losing its luminaries to mediocrity. |
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Re: Warren Spector Lifetime Achievement Award |
Feb 3, 2012, 19:43 |
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Privateer has long been one of my top 5 and I still play thanks to dos box. I had no idea Warren worked on Righteous fire though.
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Re: Warren Spector Lifetime Achievement Award |
Feb 3, 2012, 19:20 |
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sauron wrote on Feb 3, 2012, 15:55:
Uh, yeah, he just moved to LA and won 4 MORE TITLES WITH THE LAKERS. Actually five, not that anyone is counting.
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Re: Warren Spector Lifetime Achievement Award |
Feb 3, 2012, 18:01 |
panbient |
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avianflu wrote on Feb 3, 2012, 15:52:
arent these lifetime achievement awards often the kiss of death professionally?
Look at poor Sid Meier: The last simcity, 2 versions of spore and lots of generic sim city sequels.
I really hope you're trolling but just in case you're not, those games were designed by Will Wright. Sid Meier is the Civilization guy.
I'm also hard pressed to think of a more deserving person for this award. Kudos to Mr. Spector and thanks for all the great games (System Shock being the top of my personal list). |
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Re: Warren Spector Lifetime Achievement Award |
Feb 3, 2012, 17:46 |
Fartacus |
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wtf_man wrote on Feb 3, 2012, 15:44:
Although I loved Deus Ex, I think Ultima Underworld was the best title (creatively - not graphically) he was involved in... followed by the System Shocks and Deus Ex (in no particular order... they were all awesome).
Let's not forget Crusader and Wings of Glory. Those were great games too. They weren't System Shock or Deus Ex, but they were certainly great. |
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Re: Warren Spector Lifetime Achievement Award |
Feb 3, 2012, 17:39 |
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System Shock ranks as one of the greatest games I have ever played. And Wing Commander was epic for its time. Also, I had a lot of fun with Crusader, a sort of sci-fi Diablo.
I own Thief and Deus Ex, but just haven't found the time to play them. Maybe after I finish Skyrim... |
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Re: Warren Spector Lifetime Achievement Award |
Feb 3, 2012, 17:35 |
Cutter |
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I think Warren deserves just a bit more credit than Deus Ex....
•Disney Epic Mickey (2010), Disney Interactive Studios
•Dark Messiah: Might and Magic (2006), Ubisoft, Inc.
•Project: Snowblind (2005), Eidos Interactive Ltd.
•Thief: Deadly Shadows (2004), Eidos, Inc.
•Backyard Wrestling: Don't Try This at Home (2003), Eidos, Inc.
•Deus Ex: Invisible War (2003), Eidos, Inc.
•Whiplash (2003), Eidos, Inc.
•Cel Damage (2002), Electronic Arts, Inc.
•Deus Ex (Game of the Year Edition) (2001), Eidos Interactive, Inc.
•Frequency (2001), Sony Computer Entertainment America, Inc.
•Deus Ex (2000), Eidos Interactive Ltd.
•Thief: The Dark Project (1998), Eidos Interactive, Inc.
•Crusader: No Remorse (1995), Electronic Arts, Inc.
•CyberMage: Darklight Awakening (1995), Electronic Arts, Inc.
•Wings of Glory (1995), Electronic Arts, Inc.
•The Complete Ultima VII (1994), Electronic Arts, Inc.
•Dangerous Streets & Wing Commander (1994), Commodore
•Dragonsphere (1994), MicroProse Software, Inc.
•Super Wing Commander (1994), Electronic Arts, Inc.
•System Shock (1994), Dro Soft, ORIGIN Systems, Inc.
•Wing Commander: Privateer - Righteous Fire (1994), ORIGIN Systems, Inc.
•Wing Commander / Wing Commander II (Special CD-ROM Edition) (1994), Electronic Arts, Inc.
•Ultima Underworld II: Labyrinth of Worlds (1993), ORIGIN Systems, Inc.
•Ultima VII: Part Two - Serpent Isle (1993), ORIGIN Systems, Inc.
•Ultima VII: Part Two - The Silver Seed (1993), Electronic Arts, Inc.
•Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss (1992), ORIGIN Systems, Inc.
•Ultima: Worlds of Adventure 2: Martian Dreams (1991), ORIGIN Systems, Inc.
•Wing Commander II: Vengeance of the Kilrathi (1991), ORIGIN Systems, Inc.
•Wing Commander: The Secret Missions 2 - Crusade (1991), ORIGIN Systems, Inc.
•Bad Blood (1990), ORIGIN Systems, Inc.
•Ultima VI: The False Prophet (1990), ORIGIN Systems, Inc.
•Wing Commander (1990), ORIGIN Systems, Inc.
•Wing Commander: The Secret Missions (1990), ORIGIN Systems, Inc.
•Knights of Legend (1989), ORIGIN Systems, Inc.
•Space Rogue (1989), ORIGIN Systems, Inc.
Just a bit...
Edit: And yeah, that doesn't even include his PnP stuff. So yeah, bow down and kiss his arse!
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Re: Warren Spector Lifetime Achievement Award |
Feb 3, 2012, 16:54 |
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venomhed wrote on Feb 3, 2012, 15:10:
12 years ago though. Just like Richard Garriot when you have that long of a gap can it be called a Lifetime Achievement Award? Seems misplaced to me. Sure, he should receive accolades for his past games, but it was a team that helped design the game from the ground up.
It's like giving the coach of the Chicago Bulls a lifetime achievement award when he had Michael Jordan on his team. Once MJ left, how well did the coach do? Not very well.
You're ignoring WS's other contributions, including a lot of Looking Glass Studios efforts, like System Shock and Ultima Underworld.
The dude was even prolific in the 80's with tabletop RPGs. He wrote Yellow Clearance Black Box Blues for Paranoia, which is one of the most highly regarded published adventures of any RPG. |
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Re: Warren Spector Lifetime Achievement Award |
Feb 3, 2012, 15:55 |
sauron |
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venomhed wrote on Feb 3, 2012, 15:10:
It's like giving the coach of the Chicago Bulls a lifetime achievement award when he had Michael Jordan on his team. Once MJ left, how well did the coach do? Not very well.
Uh, yeah, he just moved to LA and won 4 MORE TITLES WITH THE LAKERS.
I get your point, but that was not the best example.  |
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Re: Warren Spector Lifetime Achievement Award |
Feb 3, 2012, 15:52 |
avianflu |
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arent these lifetime achievement awards often the kiss of death professionally?
Look at poor Sid Meier: The last simcity, 2 versions of spore and lots of generic sim city sequels. |
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Re: Warren Spector Lifetime Achievement Award |
Feb 3, 2012, 15:44 |
wtf_man |
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Wildone wrote on Feb 3, 2012, 12:05:
Daikatana is my #1 game of all time, after DNF and RAGE!!!
Just FYI, Romero's team and Spector's team were two separate studios for ION Storm.
Although I loved Deus Ex, I think Ultima Underworld was the best title (creatively - not graphically) he was involved in... followed by the System Shocks and Deus Ex (in no particular order... they were all awesome). |
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Re: Warren Spector Lifetime Achievement Award |
Feb 3, 2012, 15:10 |
venomhed |
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12 years ago though. Just like Richard Garriot when you have that long of a gap can it be called a Lifetime Achievement Award? Seems misplaced to me. Sure, he should receive accolades for his past games, but it was a team that helped design the game from the ground up.
It's like giving the coach of the Chicago Bulls a lifetime achievement award when he had Michael Jordan on his team. Once MJ left, how well did the coach do? Not very well. |
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Re: Warren Spector Lifetime Achievement Award |
Feb 3, 2012, 14:33 |
Acleacius |
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Creston wrote on Feb 3, 2012, 11:48:
I agree the award is well deserved, even if he was a giant jackhole for Ex Deus: IW and lied out his ass about it the whole time.
Creston QFT!
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