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Re: THQ Refocuses - Open Letter |
Jan 25, 2012, 14:03 |
Verno |
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Maybe Jesus hated business majors too  |
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Playing: Faster Than Light, Tales of Graces F, Fire Emblem 3DS
Watching: Ghost in the Shell, Hannibal, Oblivion |
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Re: THQ Refocuses - Open Letter |
Jan 25, 2012, 13:51 |
Matshock |
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space captain wrote on Jan 25, 2012, 13:39:
Matshock wrote on Jan 25, 2012, 13:31:
a bunch of Jesus.
16. Jesus said, "Perhaps people think that I have come to cast peace upon the world. They do not realize that I have come to cast conflicts upon the earth: fire, swords, war.
For there will be five in a house: there will be three against two and two against three, father against son and son against father, and they will stand alone."
- gospel of thomas, 340 a.d.
The first time that quote appears in the Gospel is in Matthew 10:34- Matthew was a direct witness to the life of Jesus BTW.
Jesus was not a pacifist, he used pacifism as a weapon against the wicked.
Gandhi learned that lesson well. Some of his people died following him but many, many fewer than had died than in the Soviet Union in WWII.
What if all the employees of THQ store up some food and paid their rent in advanced for just two months and then walked out?
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Re: THQ Refocuses - Open Letter |
Jan 25, 2012, 13:44 |
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| This is the business model of today: Put a dumbass with a business degree, no common sense and no experience in charge... yea that's it- no way it can fail!! |
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Re: THQ Refocuses - Open Letter |
Jan 25, 2012, 13:41 |
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| Yay! Doom! |
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Re: THQ Refocuses - Open Letter |
Jan 25, 2012, 13:39 |
space captain |
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Matshock wrote on Jan 25, 2012, 13:31:
a bunch of Jesus.
16. Jesus said, "Perhaps people think that I have come to cast peace upon the world. They do not realize that I have come to cast conflicts upon the earth: fire, swords, war.
For there will be five in a house: there will be three against two and two against three, father against son and son against father, and they will stand alone."
- gospel of thomas, 340 a.d. |
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Re: THQ Refocuses - Open Letter |
Jan 25, 2012, 13:31 |
Matshock |
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Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Jan 25, 2012, 11:39:
Matshock wrote on Jan 25, 2012, 11:13:
BTW if THQ was nationalized in the interest of "economic justice" then they would still have screwed up. The difference is that that a nationalized company would be bailed out using money you're on the hook for. They would also never get better because there are no incentives to.
While I didn't see any mention of nationalization as an option in the post you were responding to, I think you put your finger on the issue here. One that's all too common in many businesses today. The top management is so ridiculously overpaid, and their pay is so disconnected from performance, that there is no effective accountability for failure, and therefore little incentive to get things right. They usually make out like bandits either way, and just blame other factors for the failure. A CEO can nosedive a company straight into the ground and still walk away with tens of millions in compensation.
Matshock wrote on Jan 25, 2012, 11:13:
PS if you ever lose your job because you screwed up can we take away all your property in order to punish you?
No, but I can't live off of my annual salary for the rest of my life either. I could easily do so with what one of these CEOs makes, even if I didn't feel like ever working again. Hell, I'll run your company into the ground for half of what you'd pay one of those fancy CEOs! 
The generic term "change" is almost always used to describe some form of increased government control re: corporate management today. I'm not going to pretend this isn't the case to satisfy people playing obvious semantic games who are ignorant enough to think they're being coy.
The problem is not capitalism, if it were capitalism then you'd be working 90 hours a week and living in a company dorm like they do in China. Your quality of life would also be slowly improving instead of decaying.
I know most of you aren't doing that because the Frisbee golf course near my house is heavily populated by 20-30 somethings all day every day who are collecting 99+ weeks of unemployment checks.
The unvarnished truth is:
What you're suffering under now is fascism- the real meaning of the term is federally controlled capitalism as coined by Mussolini. Corporations and .gov are working together to screw you over.
The tall wall of separation many people see between their favorite politician and the corporation they hate doesn't exist. The Emperor Has No Clothes.
Now if accountability (punishment) is what you want- either full blown capitalism or communism will do equally well, either way a small group of the most ruthless will eliminate their competitors, they still won't give a damn about workers but you'll get to see plenty of suffering at high levels.
Don't ask me how to really fix it unless you want a bunch of Jesus.
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Re: THQ Refocuses - Open Letter |
Jan 25, 2012, 13:25 |
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This letter must be a prank - relaunching uDraw after 9 months was a stroke of marketing genius. It made both my girls, all their friends and every other girl in the western hemisphere want a Wii and a uDraw for Christmas.
Or was that just a weird dream I had once? |
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Re: THQ Refocuses - Open Letter |
Jan 25, 2012, 12:56 |
Creston |
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CEO is incompetent! News at 11!
Way to whine after the fact, fellas.
Creston |
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Re: THQ Refocuses - Open Letter |
Jan 25, 2012, 12:36 |
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Goddammit. The last place I wanted to see such turmoil was THQ. I love just about every game they put out*.
EDIT: *On the PC. No clue about console games.
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Re: THQ Refocuses - Open Letter |
Jan 25, 2012, 11:53 |
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| And people are just now waking up to the fact the middle class no longer exists, bcus of bullshit like this across the corp world. Cant wait for the social breakdown, fema camps next LMAO!!!!!!!!!! |
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Re: THQ Refocuses - Open Letter |
Jan 25, 2012, 11:39 |
Wowbagger_TIP |
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Matshock wrote on Jan 25, 2012, 11:13:
BTW if THQ was nationalized in the interest of "economic justice" then they would still have screwed up. The difference is that that a nationalized company would be bailed out using money you're on the hook for. They would also never get better because there are no incentives to.
While I didn't see any mention of nationalization as an option in the post you were responding to, I think you put your finger on the issue here. One that's all too common in many businesses today. The top management is so ridiculously overpaid, and their pay is so disconnected from performance, that there is no effective accountability for failure, and therefore little incentive to get things right. They usually make out like bandits either way, and just blame other factors for the failure. A CEO can nosedive a company straight into the ground and still walk away with tens of millions in compensation.
Matshock wrote on Jan 25, 2012, 11:13:
PS if you ever lose your job because you screwed up can we take away all your property in order to punish you?
No, but I can't live off of my annual salary for the rest of my life either. I could easily do so with what one of these CEOs makes, even if I didn't feel like ever working again. Hell, I'll run your company into the ground for half of what you'd pay one of those fancy CEOs!
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Re: hmmmm |
Jan 25, 2012, 11:38 |
space captain |
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Beamer wrote on Jan 25, 2012, 11:23:
The issues right now are really more about no one caring about the long term and everyone focusing too much on earning expectations, a concept that incidentally came from academics.
you can label the theory however you want, but a vampiric (parasitic) methodology is inherently different than a symbiotic one.. because on the one hand you have predator vs prey in top-down competitions for hierarchical advantage, and on the other you have symbiotes co-operating in equal measure to survive together
the sustainability of a parasitic system requires sufficient prey to support it... and that world will soon find out what happens when there is none left, and sustenance is no longer to be found
at the end of the day, its not about theory - its math and mechanics
the way scholars can virtualize systems in a vacuum of abstraction is really not much different than the applied ignorance or "reality-distortion fields" of people who murder the world for their own profits...
the fictionalized separation between man vs nature IS the problem, it runs MEGA deep, and its not a modern problem.. we are only now seeing the results so clearly due to the exponential nature population increase and its acceleration of social mechanisms |
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Re: THQ Refocuses - Open Letter |
Jan 25, 2012, 11:25 |
Beamer |
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Verno wrote on Jan 25, 2012, 11:20:
Matshock wrote on Jan 25, 2012, 11:13:
PS if you ever lose your job because you screwed up can we take away all your property in order to punish you?
If you're making a million dollars a year and potentially fucking over hundreds of other people through incompetence and/or greed then sure, there should be consequences for your actions. With the big money should come responsibility and consequences.
And this is why CEOs make so much (too much, too many golden parachutes, but they still deserve to make a lot.) The entire company is on their shoulders and if things should fail, for any reason, they're the ones that are supposed to jump on the sword.
But, for some reason, that responsibility is often gone. Why pay them so much if there's so much less risk in their jobs? Yeah, they still have a great deal of other responsibilities, but no longer the risk. Even in companies where there is risk there are huge parachutes that damn near reward the risk. |
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Re: hmmmm |
Jan 25, 2012, 11:23 |
Beamer |
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space captain wrote on Jan 25, 2012, 11:17:
Beamer wrote on Jan 25, 2012, 11:08:
And people happily taking advantage of idiots that didn't understand the business.
which were businessmen.. they understood the weaknesses, they took advantage of them
thats the point people seem to be making - too many businessmen are parasitic mercenaries with zero regard for long term economic health.. just a burning desire to profit as much as possible, with no consideration for anyones well-being other than their own, and their wallets
I won't deny it, but companies need businessmen. Valve has plenty. But Valve's aren't idiots. If you remove them entirely everything will fail.
The issues right now are really more about no one caring about the long term and everyone focusing too much on earning expectations, a concept that incidentally came from academics. |
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Re: THQ Refocuses - Open Letter |
Jan 25, 2012, 11:20 |
Verno |
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Matshock wrote on Jan 25, 2012, 11:13:
PS if you ever lose your job because you screwed up can we take away all your property in order to punish you?
If you're making a million dollars a year and potentially fucking over hundreds of other people through incompetence and/or greed then sure, there should be consequences for your actions. With the big money should come responsibility and consequences. |
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Playing: Faster Than Light, Tales of Graces F, Fire Emblem 3DS
Watching: Ghost in the Shell, Hannibal, Oblivion |
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Re: THQ Refocuses - Open Letter |
Jan 25, 2012, 11:19 |
Beamer |
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nin wrote on Jan 25, 2012, 11:15:
People are people- people screw up.
The issue here, if that letter is correct, is there was no accountability for repeated failure.
Yup. Because Farrell brought them back a few times. But he never really changed how the company operated.
Well, there was accountability, as it mentions the entire executive team has changed, but it kept the same CEO in place. Not hugely shocking - companies have a lot of difficulty shedding CEOs that oversaw them rise from nothing to something huge, even when it's clear the strategy that helped them grow is no longer supporting new growth and that the CEO isn't changing his thinking. |
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Re: hmmmm |
Jan 25, 2012, 11:17 |
space captain |
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Beamer wrote on Jan 25, 2012, 11:08:
And people happily taking advantage of idiots that didn't understand the business.
which were businessmen.. they understood the weaknesses, they took advantage of them
thats the point people seem to be making - too many businessmen are parasitic mercenaries with zero regard for long term economic health.. just a burning desire to profit as much as possible, with no consideration for anyones well-being other than their own, and their wallets |
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Re: hmmmm |
Jan 25, 2012, 11:17 |
Beamer |
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Wildone wrote on Jan 25, 2012, 11:14:
Utter Bull. Its the producers and higher up within the company to make sure they have the best team, if the idiots are hired who's fault is it? And thats moronic thing to say, whilst there are always a few idiots in every studio 98% of the people are talented hard workers and its the management that fucks up. I KNOW IT. I've SEEN IT. Have you?!?
Yes. Yes I have.
Who the hell do you think are management in most studios? Answer: not business majors.
Smart people can be idiots. Are most programmers capable project managers? Are most programmers capable of managing a studio's finances? No. But very often they get promoted into these roles because they're good programmers. Or they start their own studio because they have great visions and no real knowledge of the background work needed to achieve them.
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Re: THQ Refocuses - Open Letter |
Jan 25, 2012, 11:15 |
nin |
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People are people- people screw up.
The issue here, if that letter is correct, is there was no accountability for repeated failure.
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RollinThundr Apr 17, 2013, 12:25: Eh really tossing stuff like that in there only to get your panties all bunched up. If you really want to call that trolling sure.
Mr. Tact Apr 17, 2013, 12:33: Pretty sure that's the definition of trolling... |
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Re: THQ Refocuses - Open Letter |
Jan 25, 2012, 11:15 |
Beamer |
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Brian Farrell has been in charge of THQ since the early 90s. No real surprise they focused on mid-90s strategies of licensing gibberish. He lead THQ to its rise, to its fall, to its rise again, to a fall again this year, and never really evolved it.
Probably time for a new CEO to tear it apart and rebuild it as something new. |
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