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33. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Jan 22, 2012, 01:56 Beamer
 
zirik wrote on Jan 20, 2012, 18:47:
Beamer wrote on Jan 20, 2012, 09:10:
But this isn't true. For one, YouTube works hard to prevent this and works with companies to get their content down.

not true. jailbreak videos for PSP and iphone have been around for almost two years and youtube never saw it fit to remove. even if they dont brag about being pirates they sure take their time removing illegal content. all while making money by serving ads on the jailbreak videos.

Jailbreaking and full movies aren't the same thing.
I think everyone here would argue that uploading a full movie is piracy. I don't think anyone here would say jailbreaking their iphone is.
 
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32. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Jan 22, 2012, 01:55 Beamer
 
Prez wrote on Jan 20, 2012, 19:14:
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Regardless of the truth in what you're saying about the shady nature of Megaupload, there is still the Constitutional mandate that the Fed follow due process. Even murderers are presumed innocent and allowed a fair trial before sentencing. We should be outspoken about illegal actions/un-Constituional laws in all cases, not just when it happens to affect something we like. I don't know how anyone can be comfortable with the government being allowed to seize property without due process, be it real or virtual. The rule of just law is Americans' only defense against tyranny taking root.


Uh... this is standard procedure. Madoff had his assets seized long before the trial... So did the Enron guys.
Not sure what you're getting at here.
 
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31. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Jan 20, 2012, 19:14 Prez
 
Beamer-

Regardless of the truth in what you're saying about the shady nature of Megaupload, there is still the Constitutional mandate that the Fed follow due process. Even murderers are presumed innocent and allowed a fair trial before sentencing. We should be outspoken about illegal actions/un-Constituional laws in all cases, not just when it happens to affect something we like. I don't know how anyone can be comfortable with the government being allowed to seize property without due process, be it real or virtual. The rule of just law is Americans' only defense against tyranny taking root.
 
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30. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Jan 20, 2012, 18:47 zirik
 
Beamer wrote on Jan 20, 2012, 09:10:
But this isn't true. For one, YouTube works hard to prevent this and works with companies to get their content down.

not true. jailbreak videos for PSP and iphone have been around for almost two years and youtube never saw it fit to remove. even if they dont brag about being pirates they sure take their time removing illegal content. all while making money by serving ads on the jailbreak videos.
 
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29. Re: removed Jan 20, 2012, 11:29 TheVocalMinority
 
Blue wrote on Jan 20, 2012, 08:55:
Don't turn this into a flame-war over religion.

Just to clarify I wasn't being critical of Islam, only authoritarianism (religious or otherwise).
 
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28. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Jan 20, 2012, 11:27 Verno
 
Best SOPA video for the layman

Very strong stuff in there that paints a clear picture for non-techies.
 
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27. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Jan 20, 2012, 09:25 eRe4s3r
 
Lol Well to be fair as German you would have a strong protection against extradition simply because as a core EU citizen you have a lot more rights and more importantly several very powerful courts in between you and them. As long as you don't kill anyone or plan to blow something up, or worship Hitler...

If what you are charged for is not illegal in Germany you will never be extradited. But certain crimes are obviously universally illegal, like money laundering.
 
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26. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Jan 20, 2012, 09:10 Beamer
 
zirik wrote on Jan 20, 2012, 08:07:
Beamer wrote on Jan 20, 2012, 07:54:
I think pretty much everyone can agree that Megauploads profits were almost exclusively at the expense of content creators.

youtube did the same thing and is still in the business of violating copyright laws. there seems to be a double standard for american companies versus overseas. i can still find pay per view fights and how to jailbreak videos for any electronic device complete with download links on youtube. yet the feds dont take down their business like megaupload.

But this isn't true. For one, YouTube works hard to prevent this and works with companies to get their content down. For another, they don't brag about being pirates. Lastly, even legislators think that clips, which is what YouTube mostly is, it's full content, which YouTube spends millions avoiding, is the issue.

From the great Ars article:
Indeed, the government points to numerous internal e-mails and chat logs from employees showing that they were aware of copyrighted material on the site and even shared it with each other. Because of this, the government says that the site does not qualify for a “safe harbor” of the kind that protected YouTube from Viacom's $1 billion lawsuit.

This wasn't them snatching a domain. This was them arresting people they felt were criminals. Why did they feel they were criminals?

As for the site's employees, they were paid lavishly and they spent lavishly. Even the graphic designer, 35-year-old Slovakian resident Julius Bencko, made more than $1 million in 2010 alone.

The indictment goes after six individuals, who between them owned 14 Mercedes-Benz automobiles with license plates such as "POLICE," "MAFIA," "V," "STONED," "CEO," "HACKER," GOOD," "EVIL," and—perhaps presciently—"GUILTY." The group also had a 2010 Maserati, a 2008 Rolls-Royce, and a 1989 Lamborghini. They had not one but three Samsung 83" TVs, and two Sharp 108" TVs. Someone owned a "Predator statue."

Megaupload employees apparently knew how the site was being used. When making payments through its “uploader rewards” program, employees sometimes looked through the material in those accounts first. "10+ Full popular DVD rips (split files), a few small porn movies, some software with keygenerators (warez)," said one of these notes. (The DMCA does not provide a "safe harbor" to sites who have actual knowledge of infringing material and do nothing about it.)

In a 2008 chat, one employee noted that "we have a funny business... modern days [sic] pirates :)," to which the reply was, "we're not pirates, we're just providing shipping servies [sic] to pirates :)."

Employees send each other e-mails saying things like, “can u pls get me some links to the series called ‘Seinfeld’ from MU [Megaupload]," since some employees did have access to a private internal search engine



Not sure how anyone can defend these guys. They were very blatant. Not sure how anyone can compare this to YouTube. Not sure why anyone feels this is at all related to SOPA, where the fears are it would harm people innocent or naive, while these were multimillionaires very happily doing pirating as much as possible.
 
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25. Re: removed Jan 20, 2012, 08:55  Blue 
 
Don't turn this into a flame-war over religion.  
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24. removed Jan 20, 2012, 08:51 Bard
 
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23. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Jan 20, 2012, 08:40 zirik
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 20, 2012, 08:35:
But that alone isn't illegal as long as a court in Germany doesn't say it is.

im moving to germany.
 
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22. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Jan 20, 2012, 08:35 eRe4s3r
 
But that alone isn't illegal as long as a court in Germany doesn't say it is.  
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21. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Jan 20, 2012, 08:28 zirik
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 20, 2012, 08:17:
Not even saying Megaupload didn't deserve it, they offered streaming with 0 hoops (no captchas, nothing) it was clear to anyone who knew that this wasn't gonna be going well for them.

then rapidshare should be worried. they never used captchas and have enabled unlimited download speed without any wait time even for free users.
 
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20. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Jan 20, 2012, 08:17 eRe4s3r
 
Well as you aptly noted, Rapidshare operates from a mixed setup in Germany and is currently not in (proven) violation of any laws. So they can't be taken down (and should that really happen i'd have to thank the US gov, because this would be the greatest possible boost for the Pirate Party in the (sooner or later) upcoming elections)

American GOV influencing German law would be like the super Armageddon for our current government. Which has already caught intense Flak over EU ACTA. In situations like this, you have to remember that foreign influence on actual services can be seen as.. a very bad thing with the right spin.

Not even saying Megaupload didn't deserve it, they offered streaming with 0 hoops (no captchas, nothing) it was clear to anyone who knew that this wasn't gonna be going well for them.

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19. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Jan 20, 2012, 08:13 zirik
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 20, 2012, 06:48:
That must be one hell of a treaty when you can request extradition of someone that has neither the nationality of the country he is in nor the country he is extradited to. To me, thats bona-fide kidnapping. Sanctioned by my own government.. that.. makes me pretty much speechless. Especially since exactly 0 people got hurt in this crime.

Its about time we put the sovereign back in nation

their mistake was to operate servers state side and to use paypal for their payment method. i wonder how long it would take for the feds to take down rapidshare. they used to have servers state side but have migrated almost everything to germany. their standardized use of secure download links is making it difficult to track illegal downloads because all the data are encrypted.
 
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18. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Jan 20, 2012, 08:07 zirik
 
Beamer wrote on Jan 20, 2012, 07:54:
I think pretty much everyone can agree that Megauploads profits were almost exclusively at the expense of content creators.

youtube did the same thing and is still in the business of violating copyright laws. there seems to be a double standard for american companies versus overseas. i can still find pay per view fights and how to jailbreak videos for any electronic device complete with download links on youtube. yet the feds dont take down their business like megaupload.

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17. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Jan 20, 2012, 07:54 Beamer
 
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Jan 19, 2012, 20:31:
nin wrote on Jan 19, 2012, 20:20:
So there ya have it - even if sopa doesn't pass, the feds can seize a domain any time they want, with no process whatsoever.

Bingo. Law on the books, tested on the books, passed on the books. Sopa not needed.


This is very, very different than what people fear with SOPA. SOPA, in theory, has the power to remove a website because of one song clip, or one video clip, or one image.

This was a corporation that existed almost solely on piracy, whose employees were quoted repeatedly as bragging about just that. People very happily breaking the law. Repeatedly. For enormous profit.

To think that they'd some day be able to turn this around and arrest, say, Blue, for linking to a Breaking Bad clip is idiotic. To compare this to SOPA is idiotic.
I think pretty much everyone can agree that Megauploads profits were almost exclusively at the expense of content creators. Not many people jumped through Megauploads obnoxious hoops for legitimate reasons when other sites offered similar services, with tighter restrictions on what is shared, without having to click "download for free" about 40 times.
 
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16. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Jan 20, 2012, 07:43 TheVocalMinority
 
The justification is of course that he server is (was?) located in amerka. You all better make sure that you don't post anything disrespectful to the great prophet Muhammad without making sure the server isn't located in Iran because apparently one countries stupid laws can be used against residents in another country now.

Edit: Mixing up my gods and prophets.

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15. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Jan 20, 2012, 06:48 eRe4s3r
 
That must be one hell of a treaty when you can request extradition of someone that has neither the nationality of the country he is in nor the country he is extradited to. To me, thats bona-fide kidnapping. Sanctioned by my own government.. that.. makes me pretty much speechless. Especially since exactly 0 people got hurt in this crime.

Its about time we put the sovereign back in nation
 
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14. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Jan 20, 2012, 06:35 Zarkonis
 
ASeven wrote on Jan 19, 2012, 20:51:
as governments start obeying corporations instead of the people that elected them.
Shadowrun, anyone?
 
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