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25. Soul Caliber V poster Jan 9, 2012, 22:07 jdreyer
 
It sounds like someone got offended by the first one, and punked Namco with the second one.

It's pretty funny, actually.
 
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24. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 9, 2012, 19:50 Parallax Abstraction
 
DangerDog wrote on Jan 9, 2012, 18:06:
nin wrote on Jan 9, 2012, 09:54:
Xbox 720 rumoured to be tablet based.

Please no.

Oh, but I couldn't be happier.

I'd love to see all these next gen consoles fail HARD!

Then enjoy seeing virtually no AAA games released anymore. Like it or not, consoles are where those titles make the majority of the money that allows them to continue being made. No consoles, no AAA budgets, nothing for your high-end gaming PC to run. Though it seems the majority of the mainstream seems content to play depthless crap like Angry Birds and Infinity Blade anyway...
 
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23. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 9, 2012, 18:06 DangerDog
 
nin wrote on Jan 9, 2012, 09:54:
Xbox 720 rumoured to be tablet based.

Please no.

Oh, but I couldn't be happier.

I'd love to see all these next gen consoles fail HARD!
 
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22. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 9, 2012, 17:35 Beamer
 
I can't imagine anyone using Metro non-touch. It makes great sense from a tablet perspective, or a kiosk with a touchscreen, but absolutely zero with a mouse, which is why Windows 8 also has the Windows 7 interface.

 
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21. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 9, 2012, 17:30 killer_roach
 
Beamer wrote on Jan 9, 2012, 16:28:
killer_roach wrote on Jan 9, 2012, 16:03:
Beamer wrote on Jan 9, 2012, 15:13:
Would love to have the ability to radically reskin a console's system UI, but, sadly, I doubt that would ever happen.

What would you do?

Not sure exactly, besides experiment... there's a lot of things that could be done to revamp console system UIs. I have some ideas that I'd like to see somebody try, some of which drawing from other device operating systems (in particular OS X and Android).

Two operating systems I'm not a big fan of. I'm not even 100% certain how I'd describe Android, given that it's so rare to see it without the manufacturer's incredibly ugly skin.
Of course, I think WP7 is fairly beautiful, so my opinion is probably questionable (beautiful on small screens, mind you, and when not gunked up with tiles that do not fit the aesthetics, as most 3rd parties fail to do.)

Part of what holds back console UI is the lack of understanding of what it will be viewed on. Will it be on a 60" 1080p display or a 22" CRT running 480i (how does this new Metro display look on that, speaking of?)

It's a curious exercise. I'd guess HDTV will be a going assumption next round and they'll cut support for CRTs, but we'll see. That will certainly open up possibilities. I'd love to see a keyboard included, too, turning consoles into something more akin to GoogleTV, but that doesn't seem likely (especially as GoogleTV is mostly a failure thus far.)

I've done a fair bit of work with AOSP (open-source Android), so I've got a bit of familiarity with that. Mostly wanting to incorporate the search functionality that it has into a console UI (even better if it was voice-activated like Google Voice Actions are, so you don't have to mess with a tediously slow soft keyboard - Microsoft seems to be moving in this direction with Kinect).

As far as Metro goes, I have been running the Windows 8 Developer Preview on my laptop - it's okay from a functional perspective, but it really loses a lot of its utility without touchscreen capabilities. Scales decently enough with resolution, though - 480i isn't too far removed from smartphone resolution (once interlaced), and, while I can't vouch for size per se, it looked pretty good on my 1080p laptop display. A lot of the Metro apps, due to their reliance on vector graphics for their interfaces, look gorgeous in HD - just a bit confusing to use because you don't have touchscreen available to you (which may be where Microsoft is looking at tablet interfaces for their next Xbox).
 
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20. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 9, 2012, 16:28 Beamer
 
killer_roach wrote on Jan 9, 2012, 16:03:
Beamer wrote on Jan 9, 2012, 15:13:
Would love to have the ability to radically reskin a console's system UI, but, sadly, I doubt that would ever happen.

What would you do?

Not sure exactly, besides experiment... there's a lot of things that could be done to revamp console system UIs. I have some ideas that I'd like to see somebody try, some of which drawing from other device operating systems (in particular OS X and Android).

Two operating systems I'm not a big fan of. I'm not even 100% certain how I'd describe Android, given that it's so rare to see it without the manufacturer's incredibly ugly skin.
Of course, I think WP7 is fairly beautiful, so my opinion is probably questionable (beautiful on small screens, mind you, and when not gunked up with tiles that do not fit the aesthetics, as most 3rd parties fail to do.)

Part of what holds back console UI is the lack of understanding of what it will be viewed on. Will it be on a 60" 1080p display or a 22" CRT running 480i (how does this new Metro display look on that, speaking of?)

It's a curious exercise. I'd guess HDTV will be a going assumption next round and they'll cut support for CRTs, but we'll see. That will certainly open up possibilities. I'd love to see a keyboard included, too, turning consoles into something more akin to GoogleTV, but that doesn't seem likely (especially as GoogleTV is mostly a failure thus far.)
 
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19. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 9, 2012, 16:03 killer_roach
 
Beamer wrote on Jan 9, 2012, 15:13:
Would love to have the ability to radically reskin a console's system UI, but, sadly, I doubt that would ever happen.

What would you do?

Not sure exactly, besides experiment... there's a lot of things that could be done to revamp console system UIs. I have some ideas that I'd like to see somebody try, some of which drawing from other device operating systems (in particular OS X and Android).
 
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18. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 9, 2012, 15:13 Beamer
 
Would love to have the ability to radically reskin a console's system UI, but, sadly, I doubt that would ever happen.

What would you do?
 
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17. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 9, 2012, 14:45 killer_roach
 
Beamer wrote on Jan 9, 2012, 14:33:
Also, I've seen people say they liked the Blades better.


Really?
Really?
Blades

So bad. Worse than what the PS3 has, and the PS3 is an empty shallow feature phone setup menu (with a pretty decent store layout hindered by horrible sort options.)

PS3
Someone in another topic called me an idiot for comparing that vast, blank empty space of pointless iconography to featurephones and saying it's infinitely worse than anything Xbox has had since the original Blades, but I think the picture speaks for the experience. It's a dead, lifeless shell sparsely populated with options and little to know interaction with the outside world.

My biggest issue with XMB is basically what I call "the Photoshop UI problem"... it worked just fine for what it was meant to do when it was initially introduced, but when more and more features were added, its purpose becomes less clear, and (in the case of Photoshop) eventually becomes so obtuse that only people who have been using the UI for years have any clue of what the hell is going on with it.

Would love to have the ability to radically reskin a console's system UI, but, sadly, I doubt that would ever happen.
 
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16. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 9, 2012, 14:33 Beamer
 
Also, I've seen people say they liked the Blades better.


Really?
Really?
Blades

So bad. Worse than what the PS3 has, and the PS3 is an empty shallow feature phone setup menu (with a pretty decent store layout hindered by horrible sort options.)

PS3
Someone in another topic called me an idiot for comparing that vast, blank empty space of pointless iconography to featurephones and saying it's infinitely worse than anything Xbox has had since the original Blades, but I think the picture speaks for the experience. It's a dead, lifeless shell sparsely populated with options and little to know interaction with the outside world.
 
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15. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 9, 2012, 14:31 Beamer
 
What I posted was NXE at launch. It was refined. Here it is later:
Later era NXE

Still plenty of deadspace. I disagree that there's vastly more within Metro, it's just that information is more tightly clustered together.

The other points, though, I do agree with. I haven't really looked through the game store but I was shocked at how wrong it felt. You can't sort chronological by type, so looking at new releases shows you full $60 games to download with $5-$15 Arcade games sprinkled within. Horror show.
 
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14. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 9, 2012, 14:28 avianflu
 
Good point Beamer but that's only one example screen of NXE's interface. If you google NXE and then "images" you'll see lots of NXE screens that take up the whole screen (with useful info relevant to the subscreen you are on). The username screen (avatar) and game achievement screens for example.

Also notice that with NXE the entire horizontal portion of the screen is often filled with info? With Metro, not the case. Left and Right is basically blank space to grab onto using kinect.

The bottomline for me "is it better?" And I gave it quite a few chances to show me that it is better than what came before.

Thankfully Skyrim for has been keeping my away from the xbox lately.

 
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13. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 9, 2012, 13:54 Beamer
 
Is this really more dead space than the prior one?

NXE

Metro
 
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12. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 9, 2012, 13:28 avianflu
 
1. enormous amount of dead space all around the "squares" that are used for nothing, with little squares too densely packed in the middle. The "themes" use this dead space but nothing else. The thing is -- the previous 360 interface used themes too of course, but didnt have that crazy amount of dead space.

2. Game marketplace used to allow one to look at everything that is new in simple chronological order by default: now you have to go to different "squares" and then sub-squares" to get the same info, not once but a few times. Formerly I could get this info in 3 steps.

3. Finding sales and promos is harder than ever -- this info is scattered all over. I dont even look anymore.

What would fix most of my beefs?

to make "shortcuts" on the first "home" tab to the things I want to execute, whether it is Netflix or marketplace arcade games, etc. In other words, a sorta windows desktop of shortcuts.



 
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11. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 9, 2012, 13:28 SirKnight
 
That poster looks like it would be for some fantasy gay porn movie. lol  
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10. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 9, 2012, 13:09 Beamer
 
Verno wrote on Jan 9, 2012, 12:49:
avianflu wrote on Jan 9, 2012, 12:44:
I am fairly unhappy with the new "metro" interface on the 360, so news that the next console will be tablet driven is not the best news.

I don't really care for it either which seems to be the general consensus for the update. I'm curious what other people have problems with specifically about it though, what are your main beefs?

I think it's an improvement, with two caveats:
1) Advertisements. C'mon, I'm paying for the service, do you need so many ads? I don't even know if Microsoft knows what these ads do - I analyzed a business case they sent a friend and it was a mess full of assumptions with no basis.
2) It's slow to load. People have bitched about this tied to the ads, saying that "if the ad server goes down it will take you forever to play games." This appears untrue - ads seem to load AFTER the interface. It's the Microsoft stuff (arguably also ads) that seems to cause the delay.

Comparing it to the blades, though, is night and day. And to the original NXE that scrolled through diagonally and made you dizzy. The complaints I hear most commonly is that it's too hard to find games (the game store is oddly hidden) and that Netflix now starts movies when you select them rather than giving more information and the option to play (weirdest part is that you have to start something to see the year it came out.)
 
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9. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 9, 2012, 13:05 DG
 
Was round at a friend's place and he was using his iPad to control his iTV and using that for his photos, videos and music. Someone started using the iPad for browsing so he picked up his iPhone and used that instead.

Must admit it was pretty neat (if very expensive iHipster-ish) and MS could have similar intentions with a tablet type of device connecting to the xbox. But I very much doubt the primary console would be in the tablet, and it leaves me wondering why they wouldn't push for a kinect-based system instead.

'Course it's another case of rumours on interwebs leads to article leads to rumours on interwebs, but I think the concept of being able to use a Win8 tablet or phone to control the nextbox are very plausable. In fact more like why the hell not, if they're going to make W8 tablets and phones anyway.

They could probably also make it optional in games too, like for an interactive minimap, and if the screen's big enough they could stream the video feed over to it instead of having to fiddle with wires, should someone be watching TV.
 
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8. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 9, 2012, 12:49 Verno
 
avianflu wrote on Jan 9, 2012, 12:44:
I am fairly unhappy with the new "metro" interface on the 360, so news that the next console will be tablet driven is not the best news.

I don't really care for it either which seems to be the general consensus for the update. I'm curious what other people have problems with specifically about it though, what are your main beefs?
 
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7. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 9, 2012, 12:44 avianflu
 
I am fairly unhappy with the new "metro" interface on the 360, so news that the next console will be tablet driven is not the best news.
 
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6. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 9, 2012, 11:52 eRe4s3r
 
Maybe i am too jaded, but what about that poster is offensive?  
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